Periphal to this subject is Comics Creators who worked in Advertising.
This book has just come out.
Comics Ad Men #1
http://www.fantagraphics.com/comics-ad-men/
Cheers!
Yes, Jason Art and Al Fago did most of Novelty's "Frisky Fables' artwork. Jason also supplied Lev Gleason, Jamboree. Prize's "Wonderland Comics, Orbit's "Toytown" and "Taffy Comics", some work for Fox Features, and Robert Farrell's Four Starand Star Publications' lines, such as "Hi-Ho Comics", "Kiddie Kapers", "Daffy Tunes", "Holiday Comics", and "Frisky Fables", after he took that line over from Novelty, as well as Harvey's early Funny Animals "Nutty Comics", and "Clown Comics", and Hillman's "Punch & Judy".
I have seen the following names from the list before, so I think they are pencilers or inkers:
Gilbert Delgado, David Bryant, Ernest Fillion, Harold Sparaco. The others may be inkers or letterers.
I have seen the following names from the list before, so I think they are pencilers or inkers:
Gilbert Delgado, David Bryant, Ernest Fillion, Harold Sparaco. The others may be inkers or letterers.
Cool! Know any specifics about them or where you heard about them before? Their mention alongside Nutty Comics (presumably Harvey
In 1900 the 17-year old Max Fleischer went to the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. He was so desperate to become a newspaper cartoonist that he offered the manager two dollars a week, just to be able to visit their art department on a regular basis. While his offer was refused he did get hired as a paper and errand boy. Soon Fleischer moved up to the position of photographer and eventually the job he so desired in the first place: cartoonist.
In 1927 they signed a contract with Paramount, which would last until 1942. Among the notable people once employed at their studio were Ray Bailey, J.R. Bray, Les Carroll, Shamus Culhane, Arthur Davis, Jim Davis, Tony Di Paola, Irving Dressler, Harvey Eisenberg, Frank Engli, Vincent Fago, Otto Feuer, Owen Fitzgerald, Gill Fox, Woody Gelman, Dan Gordon, Chad Grothkopf, Rube Grossman, Harry Haenigsen, Dick Hall, Cal Howard, Dick Huemer, Jerry Iger, Bob Kane, Jack Kirby, Seymour Kneitel, Tack Knight, Harry Lampert, Edwin Laughlin, Pauline Loth, Steve Muffatti, Joseph Oriolo, Tony Pabian, John Pierotti, Sy Reit, Vivie Risto, Erich F.T. Schenk, Hal Seeger, Isadore Sparber, Irving Spector, Al Stahl, John Stanley, Milt Stein, Martin B. Taras, Frank Tashlin, David Tendlar, Reuben Timmins, Jim Tyer, Myron Waldman, Carl Wessler, Bob Wickersham, Margaret Winkler (who was the first female producer and distributor of animated cartoons), George Wolfe and Ralph A. Wolfe.
There are some that go back and forth between Animation and Comic books.
Two that come to mind are Paul Dini who has worked extensively on the Batman Animation properties as well as having drawn and written comics for DC. He also has created characters for the 'Batman Mythos' most notably Harley Quinn, Terrance "Terry" McGinnis/Future Batman and Peyton Riley/The Ventriloquist/Scarface.
https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_Dini
Darwyn Cook had to have been involved in the creation of the Animated version of his ' The New Frontier' but I'm not sure to what extent.
Then again, these lists concentrate on US artists. If we had the information to include UK, European and say, Japanese or other creators, we would have a much larger list.
I also wonder how much input earlier strip creators, like E.C. Segar and Bud Sagendorf [Popeye] had on the animated versions of their properties. I do know that Max Fleishers studio first bought Popeye to the screen.
Max Fleischer started as a Newspaper cartoonist.QuoteIn 1900 the 17-year old Max Fleischer went to the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. He was so desperate to become a newspaper cartoonist that he offered the manager two dollars a week, just to be able to visit their art department on a regular basis. While his offer was refused he did get hired as a paper and errand boy. Soon Fleischer moved up to the position of photographer and eventually the job he so desired in the first place: cartoonist.
https://www.lambiek.net/artists/f/fleischer_max.htm
He is most well-known as the creator of the Betty Boop animated cartoons, but his by-line appeared on the Betty Boop strip for quite a few years. I do not know if anybody was ghosting for him.
Huge subject actually! Cheers!
(Exciting Comics #28, August 1943)
I can see that Sam Weissman had a lot of versatility, using various styles. But drawing a frog with 8 arms to be an "octopus"??? Easy to see he ditched the zoo class in art school!!! ;D ;D ;D
He often liked to draw hands flexed out and being shaken around as if to reinforce the energy of a scene.
I can see that Sam Weissman had a lot of versatility, using various styles. But drawing a frog with 8 arms to be an "octopus"??? Easy to see he ditched the zoo class in art school!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hold the presses!
Just looked more closely at
https://www.lambiek.net/artists/f/fleischer_max.htmQuoteIn 1927 they signed a contract with Paramount, which would last until 1942. Among the notable people once employed at their studio were Ray Bailey, J.R. Bray, Les Carroll, Shamus Culhane, Arthur Davis, Jim Davis, Tony Di Paola, Irving Dressler, Harvey Eisenberg, Frank Engli, Vincent Fago, Otto Feuer, Owen Fitzgerald, Gill Fox, Woody Gelman, Dan Gordon, Chad Grothkopf, Rube Grossman, Harry Haenigsen, Dick Hall, Cal Howard, Dick Huemer, Jerry Iger, Bob Kane, Jack Kirby, Seymour Kneitel, Tack Knight, Harry Lampert, Edwin Laughlin, Pauline Loth, Steve Muffatti, Joseph Oriolo, Tony Pabian, John Pierotti, Sy Reit, Vivie Risto, Erich F.T. Schenk, Hal Seeger, Isadore Sparber, Irving Spector, Al Stahl, John Stanley, Milt Stein, Martin B. Taras, Frank Tashlin, David Tendlar, Reuben Timmins, Jim Tyer, Myron Waldman, Carl Wessler, Bob Wickersham, Margaret Winkler (who was the first female producer and distributor of animated cartoons), George Wolfe and Ralph A. Wolfe.
The Descendants of some of those people are active, some at very high level, in Hollywood today.
Incidentally, have you ever stayed for the credits at the end of a modern movie and seen the huge list of names for artists and animators?
Cheers!
Arman Williams (Startling Comics #32, March 1945):
(https://i.imgur.com/Qzl6lGi.jpg)
Sam Singer:
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/56/561b856551d05334cd544587e41633b2/0.jpg)
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/2a/2af6e4b6b7b9ec7ac752a1eb360f6e5f/0.jpg)
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/44/44f6e804b7b7f0384c12052d7d3f0d06/26.jpg)
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/07/07e65a959899d5f402f7e1e60ea883f2/34.jpg)
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/eb/eb611a7a878b6b4fdd65464fbee1d46b/38.jpg)
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/db/dbb3388e35766bc5f42ef1dc7d97950c/37.jpg)
Sam Singer:
Singer had a really old style, reminiscent of the 1930s. I really like his Monkeyshines covers, especially with all the bright colours.
What's going on in that first Monkeyshines cover?
QuoteWhat's going on in that first Monkeyshines cover?
Also, the Monkey has a knot in his tail and also his left hand [almost hidden] seems to be in motion.
One end of a coconut, after husking, does accurately resemble a human face.
Puts me in mind of the song, which would have been well known then,
'I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts'
I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts - Billy Cotton Band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAEngcdLlVQ
Best known currently as sung in the Lion King. Also Monty Python did it and on some sites the song is erroneously credited to Python.
Lets just say that the lyrics lead themselves to more than one interpretation.
Probably also an in-joke. I have begun to realize as an adult, that there can be a lot going on in 'children's' comics, TV shows and entertainment which is meant for adults and is unlikely to be interpreted by Children.
Sam Singer:
Singer had a really old style, reminiscent of the 1930s. I really like his Monkeyshines covers, especially with all the bright colours.
Singer had a bulbous, yet energetic sort of style. He liked to draw animals with big snouts or chubby cheeks, and rarely drew short characters unless they were children, yet that didn?t seem to hinder the flexibility of how his characters moved at all.
Of all the Sangor Studio artists I?ve seen, the one I felt had the most old-school feeling was probably Tony Loeb. I've understood that Sangor Studio was largely made up of artists that had worked at Fleischer Studios, and Loeb may have been the artist that embraced the Fleischer a style the most, drawing characters as if they were in the early 1930?s as opposed to the mid-1940s.
Bimbo from Fleischer, an early 30s character which Loeb?s style reminded me of:
(https://i.ibb.co/vkgT4KD/410-CBE3-D-9787-41-B8-A647-C0-A762-E97-CB8.gif)
Sam Singer:
Singer had a really old style, reminiscent of the 1930s. I really like his Monkeyshines covers, especially with all the bright colours.
Singer had a bulbous, yet energetic sort of style. He liked to draw animals with big snouts or chubby cheeks, and rarely drew short characters unless they were children, yet that didn?t seem to hinder the flexibility of how his characters moved at all.
Of all the Sangor Studio artists I?ve seen, the one I felt had the most old-school feeling was probably Tony Loeb. I've understood that Sangor Studio was largely made up of artists that had worked at Fleischer Studios, and Loeb may have been the artist that embraced the Fleischer a style the most, drawing characters as if they were in the early 1930?s as opposed to the mid-1940s.
Roscoe from Feature Comics #101 (August 1946, Quality Comics. Not sure who drew it, though I?m inclined to say it was an animator.
(https://i.ibb.co/82511JR/4-EC7-A9-F2-D4-B8-4-EB4-BAF5-B196-E2109-A93.jpg)
Roscoe from Feature Comics #101 (August 1946, Quality Comics. Not sure who drew it, though I?m inclined to say it was an animator.
(https://i.ibb.co/82511JR/4-EC7-A9-F2-D4-B8-4-EB4-BAF5-B196-E2109-A93.jpg)
Yes, he was an animator, who had worked for Fleischer and Famous Studios, Ben Solomon. He worked on Popeye and Gullivers Travels at Fleischer, and Popeye, under Jim Tyer for famous Studios. He worked on several different comic book series for Quality, and had worked for Hillman on Punch and Judy, and worked earlier for Bailey as a free lancer. He and Woody Gelman had worked together at those 2 animation studios, and after the strike, they formed their own cartoon studio, Solomon-Gelman Cartoon Studio. They later drew all the comic artwork for Topps Sports Cards, including Bazooka Joe.
Some possible animators with partial names from some of the earlier Sangor material that I just couldn?t identify. I think I mentioned all of these before, but might as well mention them all here:
Naish (Coo Coo Comics #5, May 1943):
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/e7/e7e8a689bf0bd8238bced98aedf6180e/43.jpg)
Smith (Giggle Comics #3, December 1943):
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/17/17b1fc80fa12f1b4456f05d6d090e875/27.jpg)
Loughlin (Giggle Comics #8, May 1944):
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/5d/5d84a30149b759ce0beb2d8db0230b98/25.jpg)
Big Shorty (Coo Coo Comics #13, September 1944):
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/78/78e3b74d4fae2ec4cdb223eebc91f5b9/32.jpg)
JFL, possibly Jim Logan (Goofy Comics #15, August 1946):
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/af/af62a6cf6f52b30dcb1b4cbbd045a14f/42.jpg)
I would really like to know how you came up with J. Carrol Naish, noted actor, in searching for animators.
1. Thanks. I heard it suggested that the Loughlin is Fiction House artist Edwin Laughlin using a slightly different last name, but didn?t associate with animation as far as I know. It referring to Tom O?Loughlin seems like the more realistic outcome.
2. I was unsure, because I tried looking up Jim Logan, but his middle name was apparently ?Joseph? in constraint to the ?JFL.?:
https://billiongraves.com/grave/James-Joseph-Logan/1830395
3. I couldn?t narrow it down, because I kept getting ?J. Carrol Naish? whom I haven?t seen noted as an animation-styled artist.
4. There was separately credited Edward Smith and Frank Smith for Gulliver?s Travels. Are they just different credits for the same person?:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031397/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
Bizarrely, I've just been working my way through the New Adventures of Charlie Chan - most of them available on YouTube with Naish in the lead role
Serendipity is an unplanned fortunate discovery.
What's going on in that first Monkeyshines cover? The kid (apparently smitten with the teacher) seems to be giving her a coconut with a winking face on it. The other kids are laughing at him but the teacher seems charmed. Or jjust amused? The kid is turned away with his eyes closed (because he's bashful?) but he's also licking his lips as if thinking of something tasty, like maybe the other apples. I am baffled.
Anyways, was looking at comparison of Ben Solomon?s signed art to a lot of the non-Ernie Hart, unsigned funny animal art from Quality Comics, and while maybe I?d have to compare more, I?ve been starting to suspect that quite a bit of the art had been drawn by animator William Pattengill.
Pattengill?s signed art from Ha Ha Comics #2 (November 1943):
(https://i.ibb.co/Tq9xZk7/9-B53724-F-89-E6-4044-922-C-B9-EBC9-F04808.jpg)
The unsigned art from Crack Comics #37 (Spring 1945), featuring a similarly drawn native and a similar design philosophy of the bears:
It especially stuck out since the previous issue featured a dog character which seemed similar to other dog characters in some 1946 funny animal art, in addition to Roscoe:
The dog character from Crack Comics #36:
Mickey the Moocher:
Sad Sam Skunk:
Rollo Raccoon:
Giddy Goose:
The last one in particular leads me to think whichever artist drew this also drew for EC, in addition to being quite prolific, because the goat character and the general design of hair seems similar to the goat character and hair on the fawn from Animal Fables #1 (July 1946):
Your theory that the goat character artist might be Pattengill looks possible.
Your theory that the goat character artist might be Pattengill looks possible.
It was also suggested to me animator Don Patterson having drawn them based on the Phineas the Great art from Ha Ha Comics #11, but somehow I dont think Patterson would have gone by as *E. D. Pat,* with his full name, in so far as I know, being *Donald W. Patterson.* With the art looking so similar to Pattengills Phineas the Great art from the previous year, I get the feeling that *Pat* could refer to Pattengill, while *E. D.* could be either the writer or inker, possibly Ed Dunn.
(https://i.ibb.co/f4htZdV/29-AB425-B-37-A8-4-D5-A-889-F-38-C5-CAF4648-A.jpg)
Anyways, animators I think drew for Circus Comics #2 (June 1945):
Larry Riley:
(https://i.ibb.co/H40pX9L/EDD4-C120-AFBE-4-D7-A-8-F2-C-F7-D3-EA46-BFE9.jpg)
Bill Hudson:
(https://i.ibb.co/D4G6YzN/89-CD444-F-20-CC-4456-9319-AFA7-A0-B87-FAC.jpg)
Al Pross:
(https://i.ibb.co/GP6Wbrd/3-A6-DE43-F-09-E6-4344-9-BD6-7491-CBD00-ADD.jpg)
Don?t have a specific animator for this one, though it looks familiar:
(https://i.ibb.co/N792rYR/D8940900-6-D4-F-4-F6-F-93-CD-D37-E69-CF0898.jpg)
Typical Jason style. Riley worked for Sangor for a while, too. While with Jason, he also worked for Ace.
Timothy and The Robot was clearly drawn by Carl Wessler.
I think you may be right. I was just looking at the rabbit. The wolveslook too well-drawn to be Wessler. And you're right about the movement of the characters being too fluid to be Wessler. But, the rabbit is certainly a weird-looking character - not typical of Rasinski. The rabbit on the later page looks a lot more normal, and a lot better than Wessler could have drawn.
Came to my attention that Sangor?s Naish is Fleischer employee Naish D'Asaro. Can?t find any other trace of him though.
https://www.comics.org/creator/9756/
DASARO, NAISH N. was born 29 July 1907, received Social Security number xxx-xx-xxxx (indicating Michigan) and, Death Master File says, died 8 December 1994.
https://www.geni.com/people/Naish-D-Asaro/6000000039518168591
MGM:
George Francis Gordon -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=GORDON%2c+GEORGE+1
John Frank Liggera -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=LIGGERA%2c+JOHN
Irven Leroy Spence -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=SPENCE%2c+IRV
MGM:
George Francis Gordon -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=GORDON%2c+GEORGE+1
John Frank Liggera -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=LIGGERA%2c+JOHN
Irven Leroy Spence -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=SPENCE%2c+IRV
Liggera was a long-time inker with Western Publishing's Comic Book Division. He was the main inker for Tony Strobl for many years, during the late 1950s and 1960s.
MGM:
George Francis Gordon -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=GORDON%2c+GEORGE+1
John Frank Liggera -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=LIGGERA%2c+JOHN
Irven Leroy Spence -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=SPENCE%2c+IRV
Liggera was a long-time inker with Western Publishing's Comic Book Division. He was the main inker for Tony Strobl for many years, during the late 1950s and 1960s.
His closer association with the medium also leads me to think that he?s the JFL from Goofy Comics #15 instead of Jim Logan. I also came to think that the Loughlin from Giggle Comics is Edwin Loughlin (mistaken to be Laughlin) instead of Tom O?Loughlin.
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/af/af62a6cf6f52b30dcb1b4cbbd045a14f/42.jpg)
Disney:
Alfred Eugene Abranz -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=ABRANZ%2c+FRED
George Baker -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=BAKER%2c+GEORGE
Albert Bertino -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=BERTINO%2c+AL
Preston Erwin Blair -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=BLAIR%2c+PRESTON
Carleton Wilcox Boyd -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=BOYD%2c+JACK
Jack Morin Bradbury -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=BRADBURY%2c+JACK
Paul Arnold Deighton Busch -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=BUSCH%2c+PAUL
Philp Duncan -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=DUNCAN%2c+PHIL
Morris Gollub -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=GOLLUB%2c+MO
Robert Dyer Grant -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=GRANT%2c+BOB
John Franklin Grundeen -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=GRUNDEEN%2c+FRANK
Ralph Clifford Heimdahl -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=HEIMDAHL%2c+RALPH
Harry Alfred Holt -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=HOLT%2c+HARRY
Allan Miles Hubbard -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=HUBBARD%2c+AL
Kenneth Vernon Hultgren -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=HULTGREN%2c+KEN
Ubbe Ert Iwerks -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=IWERKS%2c+UB
Theodore Lynn Karp -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=KARP%2c+LYNN
Walter Crawford Kelly -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=KELLY%2c+WALT
Henry King Ketcham -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=KETCHAM%2c+HANK
Ward Walrath Kimball -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=KIMBALL%2c+WARD
John Ryan Kinney -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=KINNEY%2c+JAY
Thomas Vernon Massey -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=MASSEY%2c+TOM
John Richard McDermott -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=MC+DERMOTT%2c+JOHN
Frank McSavage -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=MC+SAVAGE%2c+FRANK
Cyrus Robert Moore -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=MOORE%2c+BOB
Paul Russell Murry -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=MURRY%2c+PAUL
Daniel Alexander Noonan -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=NOONAN%2c+DAN
Virgil Franklin Partch -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=PARTCH%2c+VIRGIL
Curtiss Dustin Perkins -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=PERKINS%2c+CURT
Jose Antonio Rivera -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=RIVERA%2c+TONY
Julius Svendsen -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=SVENDSEN%2c+JULIUS
Riley Allen Thomson -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=THOMSON%2c+RILEY
Reuben Timmins -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=TIMMINS%2c+REUBEN
Stanley Lewis Walsh -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=WALSH%2c+STAN
Alfred Owen Williams -
http://www.bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=WILLIAMS%2c+BILL
William Arthur Scott Jr. (1914-1999):
Topix #v6#4 (January, 1948):
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/5d/5da8bae9047ab37eba1951c30c62917e/2.jpg)
(https://box01.comicbookplus.com/viewer/5d/5da8bae9047ab37eba1951c30c62917e/7.jpg)
https://www.awn.com/animationworld/closer-look-art-scott
http://bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=SCOTT%2C+ART
Pappy's Golden Age Comics Blogzine Number 2503 recently featured the "Stalwart Swinburne" story from Ha Ha Comics #35 (Nov 1946). Scripted by Hubie Karp and illoed by Al Hubbard.
https://pappysgoldenage.blogspot.com/2021/03/number-2503-roc-around-dock.html
Hubie Karp also wrote most of the early "Fox and Crow" for DC.
Of course theres also Carl Barks who mentioned Disney on his draft card, but hes not listed as animator, which is why he didnt pop up in my searches at first. Instead, he?s listed as *In-betweener*, *Writer*, and *Story Director*. Probably a lot more I missed too.
Anyways, was looking at comparison of Ben Solomon?s signed art to a lot of the non-Ernie Hart, unsigned funny animal art from Quality Comics, and while maybe I?d have to compare more, I?ve been starting to suspect that quite a bit of the art had been drawn by animator William Pattengill.
Pattengill?s signed art from Ha Ha Comics #2 (November 1943):
(https://i.ibb.co/Tq9xZk7/9-B53724-F-89-E6-4044-922-C-B9-EBC9-F04808.jpg)
Giddy Goose:
(https://i.ibb.co/gDfwpjF/32-ACDBC0-4-E66-4991-BF3-C-019-AB78-F9138.jpg)
The last one in particular leads me to think whichever artist drew this also drew for EC, in addition to being quite prolific, because the goat character and the general design of hair seems similar to the goat character and hair on the fawn from Animal Fables #1 (July 1946):
(https://i.ibb.co/4gqL1NN/5-BEC0569-3-FD4-4784-9-D32-B39-BCBB398-DE.jpg)