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Coloring Books or Pages
« on: December 03, 2009, 07:09:25 PM »

I'm hoping to get some help in a little project I'm working on.

I'm planning on putting together a "coloring book" for my twins for Christmas (they'll be 2 1/2).  I know, it'ld be easier to just buy some at a store, but I enjoy putting some thought into Xmas presents.  I've already downloaded the Peter Wheat Coloring Book, Peter Wheat 4-in-1 Fun Pac & Peter Wheat Fun Book, plus the Captain Marvel Coloring Book, Tom Corbet Space Cadet Coloring Book and Star Coloring Book of Safety First.

What I'm looking for are suggestions of anything on the site that has B&W illustrations that would be good to use in a coloring book.  With thousands of files to go through, I don't want to waste a lot of time downloading books just to see if it has something useful.  I know Target Comics occasionally had a B&W page on the inside back cover ... and that's kind of what I'm looking for (specific issue numbers would be helpful).  Early comics with B&W stories are fine, too.  Any type of artwork is fair game, really, as my kids are pretty much into anything & everything, not just the usual garbage most parents force their kids to watch (they've been watching & enjoying The Simpsons & the 60s Spider-Man cartoon for about two years now).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 07:20:26 PM »

What about a DC Comics Showcase - they're black and white, like $10-$15 for 500 pages.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 08:02:42 PM »

Try the "GIMP" freeware Image Manipulation Program, if you don't already have photoshop.
http://www.gimp.org/

You can turn most photos into faux B&W drawings then print those and color them in. Colored pencils are much better than crayons.

You can scan color comics and remove all but the B&W lines.

I had a few such images saved on my old PC but after I got this PC and left the old one unplugged all those files disappeared.
I like to take old photos and turn them into faux water color paintings. You can even add the visual texture of a canvas to the finished product.

I've used the program to retouch salvaged family photos that were water damaged or badly cracked.

When we did an experimental mixed Comic panel and live action film the CGI guys used a similar method, probably photoshop. There were a few dedicated programs for this sort of work available as well.
GIMP works fine for me.
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 08:07:02 PM »

Nothing comes to mind from the comics, but the Internet Archive has a couple of items that might be of interest:

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Coloring%20Book%22

Clearly, the infamous "Black Panther Coloring Book" is probably not what you want.

Also, I can't attest to black and white illustrations in any of the cases, but something in here might also be of use.  The download times should certainly be lighter, at least.

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Children%27s_Picture_Books_%28Bookshelf%29

Oh, and since you mentioned Peter Wheat:  It's not hosted on the main site, but if you can find the thread, someone unearthed scans of a bunch of government pamphlets, including a couple of cute pieces starring Pogo.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 09:49:49 PM »

Rocky Lane 67 available on site has a b&w page

also most Avon books have a black and white title page many with great Kinstler art.

Dell books often have black and white ifc, ibc
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 10:49:34 PM »

Here are a couple of mine

Alaska Bush Pilot has several black and white pages
http://goldenagecomics.co.uk/index.php?dlid=3374

http://goldenagecomics.co.uk/index.php?dlid=9500
Probably more rare than most American or Canadian GA reprints. This contains black and white reprints from Quality's "Buccaneers". Black Roger from #24 and Captain Daring from #23. This is either from Australia or New Zealand but contains no identifying information. In 300 ppi goodness from cover to cover.

There is also the Tom Corbett Coloring book
http://goldenagecomics.co.uk/index.php?dlid=9426

Many of the UK and Canadian books are black and white as well as the newspaper comics section


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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 01:19:43 AM »

I can't really think of anything other than my Peter Wheat scans off the top of my head, bchat.  But I do think it's a neat idea, and love that somebody will get to use the Peter Wheat stuff "as intended".  :D
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 02:28:27 AM »

Thanks to everyone so far for their suggestions.  It's greatly appreciated.

Roygbiv666 - Thanks for the suggestion but I wasn't looking to spend money.  I have some Marvel Essentials that my girls will get someday soon, but for the time being I want to give them something they can tear apart without me caring too much.

Captain Audio - I have software already that I can use to turn color pages to B&W but it still leaves the page with a "grayscale", which isn't perfect for something intended for a coloring book.  I can push the image to its limits but then the black lines start losing their quality.  It's a process I'm not looking to play around with right now, so I'ld rather the images be B&W to start with.  I'll check-out "GIMP" if I get a chance, so thanks for suggesting it.
  I agree that colored pencils are better than crayons for some things, but crayons are "good enough" for a couple of girls more likely to color on the walls than in any book I put in front of them.

John C - I checked-out the Internet Archive but wasn't impressed with their selection of "coloring books".  I have pulled some other files from there that I'll be going through, as I know some had B&W pictures which might help me out.

narfstar - Thanks for the suggestions.  I already grabbed the Tom Corbet book and I'll be using some of those pages.  Alaska Buck Pilot looks like it might have some useful stuff, too.
  I did download a few of the B&W strips from the site but didn't find much that I felt I could work with ... too much "grayscale" to work around.

OtherEric -  My wife and I got to talking a few months ago about what to get the kids this year for Xmas and coloring books were brought-up.  There's plenty of places to get them cheap (Wal-Mart, Dollar Stores, etc), but, as I said, I like doing at least one thing every year for Xmas that takes some effort & thought, so I said "I'll just make them some!"  The added benefit is that if the kids like what I do, I can keep printing them for them to use.  Obviously, the Peter Wheat books come in handy for what I want to do, so thanks to you for making that your "pet project".
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 05:15:11 PM »


John C - I checked-out the Internet Archive but wasn't impressed with their selection of "coloring books".  I have pulled some other files from there that I'll be going through, as I know some had B&W pictures which might help me out.


Yeah, it's not the best selection, but figured it was worth mentioning if you hadn't seen it.

I also just took a quick stab at Google Books, but could only turn up a single piece of tree-hugging propaganda:

http://books.google.com/books?id=gB-DzHe5Hc8C

The idea that people would go to a wildlife refuge, by the way, to look at Canada geese strikes me as hilarious.  Out here, they and their little green landmines are everywhere.  "Let's go to the zoo and watch some vermin!"
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2009, 12:44:01 AM »

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Captain Audio - I have software already that I can use to turn color pages to B&W but it still leaves the page with a "grayscale", which isn't perfect for something intended for a coloring book.  I can push the image to its limits but then the black lines start losing their quality.  It's a process I'm not looking to play around with right now, so I'ld rather the images be B&W to start with.  I'll check-out "GIMP" if I get a chance, so thanks for suggesting it.
  I agree that colored pencils are better than crayons for some things, but crayons are "good enough" for a couple of girls more likely to color on the walls than in any book I put in front of them.


It takes some doing but using GIMP I was able to reduce most photos and colored in drawings to only the basic black lines, some didn't work out well at all though.
Its been some time since I tried this and I can't give a step by step of the process, which was mostly by guess and by golly to begin with.

As for Crayon vs Pencil, I would say that Crayons are less likely to cause lasting harm if they end up stuck in a nostril, and kids have a tendency to stick whatever comes to hand up their nose sooner or later.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2009, 01:14:09 AM »


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Captain Audio - I have software already that I can use to turn color pages to B&W but it still leaves the page with a "grayscale", which isn't perfect for something intended for a coloring book.  I can push the image to its limits but then the black lines start losing their quality.  It's a process I'm not looking to play around with right now, so I'ld rather the images be B&W to start with.  I'll check-out "GIMP" if I get a chance, so thanks for suggesting it.
  I agree that colored pencils are better than crayons for some things, but crayons are "good enough" for a couple of girls more likely to color on the walls than in any book I put in front of them.


It takes some doing but using GIMP I was able to reduce most photos and colored in drawings to only the basic black lines, some didn't work out well at all though.
Its been some time since I tried this and I can't give a step by step of the process, which was mostly by guess and by golly to begin with.

As for Crayon vs Pencil, I would say that Crayons are less likely to cause lasting harm if they end up stuck in a nostril, and kids have a tendency to stick whatever comes to hand up their nose sooner or later.


Luckily, my girls haven't been big on sticking things up their nose ... yet.  About the only thing I was concerned with was early-on when they tried to innocently poke each others eyes out.

Regarding "color to B&W" ...  it'ld probably be quicker to just do it by hand rather than fiddle around with a computer program, regardless if I am familiar with it or not.  The program I have was decent enough in removing the lighter colors, but the darker colors were still visible, making the page relatively useless for me.  At any rate, thanks to everyone's suggestions, I think I have enough to work with for the moment and should be able to get what I want out of it and, hopefully, the kids will enjoy the end result.
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2009, 02:48:15 AM »

Calling All Kids has a b&w ifc with lots of nice little pics
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2009, 01:34:56 PM »


Calling All Kids has a b&w ifc with lots of nice little pics


I did grab a few of them as I went through the different folders.  I figured that, just based on the name alone, there was a chance they had at least one page for kids to color.  I'll probably also throw-in the "Riddles" pages so that there's something in there for me to read to the little ones.

Captain Audio (and anybody else who cares) - The program I've been using to edit the pages is Picasa (came with my pc).  I played around with it last night and was able to "white-out" some color pages pretty well.  Here's the first page I did as a test:



I tried some other pages after that, and while it's not perfect (dark colors remain a light gray), it's pretty darn close and certainly "good enough" for a home-made coloring book.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2009, 01:40:04 PM by bchat »
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2009, 03:29:41 PM »

When I saw pencils suggested, my first thought was stepping or sitting on them, which is another vote for crayons.  Heh.  But now I'm reminded of the "Home Movies" episode where they wrote a heavy metal PSA about not putting marbles up your nose.

Anyway, the decolorizing looks good.  If it didn't take too long, I say go for it.  Even commercial coloring books'll often have the same sort of "this area is just black, so quit coloring" areas.  Also good to see Picasa has come so far.  I haven't looked at it since Google bought it, and it was...decent, but nothing to write home about.
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2009, 05:15:35 PM »

I loved 'Home Movies' and it's predecessor 'Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist".
Nice job on the colouring book page bchat.

-Yoc
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2009, 08:11:09 PM »


When I saw pencils suggested, my first thought was stepping or sitting on them, which is another vote for crayons.  Heh.  But now I'm reminded of the "Home Movies" episode where they wrote a heavy metal PSA about not putting marbles up your nose.


Theres A Simpsons episode where they find that Homer's mental problems are caused by a crayon he stuck up his nose so far as a kid that it lodged in his brain.
When the crayon shifted he became a genius.

I vaguely remember something (most likely fictional) about some Tibetan monks who inserted wooden rods into their brains through holes drilled in the skull to stimulate the processes of abstract thought and try to acheive telepathy.
Kids don't try this at home. ;)
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2009, 12:13:24 AM »



When I saw pencils suggested, my first thought was stepping or sitting on them, which is another vote for crayons.  Heh.  But now I'm reminded of the "Home Movies" episode where they wrote a heavy metal PSA about not putting marbles up your nose.


I vaguely remember something (most likely fictional) about some Tibetan monks who inserted wooden rods into their brains through holes drilled in the skull to stimulate the processes of abstract thought and try to acheive telepathy.
Kids don't try this at home. ;)

Well I am not a kid and I think I am gonna try it. If you pick up my thoughts you will no it worked. If you do not hear from me for a couple of days send help.

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2009, 03:11:22 AM »

The only toy banned in my household as unsafe when I was a kid was Nerf.  I apparently tore up a Nerf ball when I was young and shoved the bits up my nose, resulting in a doctor's visit.

On a similar note, the only TV show not allowed because it was excessively offensive was Mister Rogers Neighborhood.  My Mom could not stand it at all, felt it was stupid and insulting.

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2009, 03:31:17 AM »

nerf=bad      narf=good  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2009, 08:05:14 AM »

I should have mentioned that the sample I showed was the cover of Animal Comics 8 so if anyone wanted to compare the two images, they could. 

John C - The version I have is Picasa 3.  It's good enough to straighten & crop scans, and obviously to convert color to b&w, and that's about all I've ever done with it.  It can be used to retouch images, but I haven't used that feature so I can't comment on the resulting quality.  I have a "good enough" attitude towards computer programs.  If a program does something well, then I don't need the bells & whistles of "better & newer programs".  I'ld rather use my five-year-old Nero StartSmart program to make cds than anything preloaded on my pc.  Nero may not look as pretty as the newer programs, but it does what I want and it does it very well.
  Anyway, it didn't take long to covert the cover of Animal Comics from cover to B&W ... less than a minute, actually.  I'll probably go back through the different books I downloaded to see what else I can make use of, although it will more than likely be just a panel here-and-there which I'll have to edit into pages.

Speaking of banned things from childhood:  I wish I could remember the name of that board game we had as kids.  You had little plastic figures you moved around the board, and this contraption with some sort of "goop" that was used to cover the figures when something happened.  We didn't get to play with the "goop" since our mom took it away when she heard it could eat through carpets, so the game went into a closet somewhere in the house after we played with it only a few times.  Other than that, toys & games weren't really banned as long as it was age-appropriate and we knew what we were dealing with.

I never saw Mister Rogers as being offensive, stupid or insulting.  I think it has value for very young children and I wouldn't mind my kids watching it ... IF I could find a channel that actually wanted to air it.
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2009, 08:11:06 AM »

I recognized the issue right away.  Then again, it's my scan and I'm the resident Kelly-obsessed fan; if not the resident Kelly expert.  (I can think of at least 3 others who have better qualifications as Kelly experts; he may not be our most popular creator on the site but those of us who like his work REALLY like his work.)

I wouldn't know on Mister Rogers; I never saw an episode when I was a kid and have only seen brief clips since.  I watched Sesame Street instead; and that I still enjoy at age 38.  Like I said, my Mom HATED Mr. Rogers.
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2009, 08:36:27 AM »


...  he may not be our most popular creator on the site ...


That surprises me.  I've always had the impression that he was "up there" in regards to popular artists, along with Eisner, Kirby, Barks and whoever else I'm not thinking about two hours past my bedtime.

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I wouldn't know on Mister Rogers; I never saw an episode when I was a kid and have only seen brief clips since.  I watched Sesame Street instead; and that I still enjoy at age 38.  Like I said, my Mom HATED Mr. Rogers.


I liked Sesame Street's theme song when I was little (it's horrid what they do with it now), so I would tune-in for that then change the channel to something else when it was done.  I liked The Electric Company, but that was only because Spidey might show-up, so I'ld only half pay attention to it for the most part.

When I was little, the only thing I liked about Mister Rogers was the ending, as the camera panned-through the little "toy town", because I thought it was cool to look at.  More often than not, I'ld watch something else, then switch when I knew Mister Rogers was ending to catch that scene.  I know ... I'm weird!

What I like about Mister Rogers, looking at it now and from the perspective of a parent, is that it really isn't a stupid show, although it has its moments of "you've got to be kidding me".  Several times I've seen him take trips and visit with classical musicians or take a tour of a factory, and I think that's good for kids to see because it's not always something every kid gets exposed to in their daily lives.  I also appreciate the message he has that every kid is special, because they are.
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2009, 11:13:37 AM »



...  he may not be our most popular creator on the site ...


That surprises me.  I've always had the impression that he was "up there" in regards to popular artists, along with Eisner, Kirby, Barks and whoever else I'm not thinking about two hours past my bedtime.


Kelly has a very vocal and dedicated fan base; but a lot of people won't touch humor or funny animal books with a ten meter cattle prod.  Even a year after we finished the run a lot of Animal Comics issues are sitting at under 200 downloads; and in the 10 days it's been up there more people have downloaded the Phantom Lady 5 (1) I posted than all but one of the Peter Wheat issues.  He's "up there" by reputation, but a lot of people just don't know what they're missing and don't want to find out for some reason.
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2009, 04:04:57 PM »

At the risk of careening even further off-topic...

Picasa and other software:  I agree that there's little use of having functionality that you're never going to use.  I just happened to mention Picasa's "maturity," because it was just a clunky gallery kind of thing when Google first bought it.  That they made it useful is good to hear.

Sesame Street:  I watched religiously as a kid (and by "kid," I probably mean "occasionally through high school and college"), and have always been shocked at the downslide.  Part of that is the downward revision of their target age, I'm sure, with the introduction of Muppets with screechy voices and baby-talk.  But there's also the weird vibe from the married couples all being of the same ethnicity (not to mention old) and the obsession with words like "cooperation," when they really mean something more like sharing.

Mr. Rogers:  As bchat points out, while it's easy to get the impression from his tone, Mr. Rogers never talked down to the audience, and in fact handled some heavy issues pretty well, in my opinion.  Even just the (repeated) distinction between fantasy and reality is interesting for children's television.  And yeah, all the models were great.  And the music, too--there was a lot of nice, light jazz throughout most episodes that I'm surprised nobody has tried to capitalize on.

(The only thing I can fault Mr. Rogers for is the occasional bit of "why didn't anybody tell him!?"  I remember recently seeing an episode discussing art, where he showed a brightly colored painting of a flower, and he's running his fingers over it to point out the colors, and how vivid it is, and how it--his words, not mine, here--makes you want to "climb inside" the picture.  If it hadn't been a Georgia O'Keefe painting, it probably would have been substantially less creepy, but instead we got art appreciation with a side order of Freud...)

The Electric Company:  Same deal as the others.  I waited for "Spidey" and a couple of other bits, like "Fargo North, Decoder," and what I now know were Tom Lehrer's music.  But otherwise, I found it more annoying than fun or educational.  They've revived the show, I noticed, and now it...it doesn't make any sense.  It's about young kids with language-related super-powers who bicker with their arch-nemeses who clumsily cheat at things.  Then they finish that up (after a mid-episode recap with tiny puppets, for the caring-impaired) and one of the main characters raps with a random celebrity and a skinny white kid who beatboxes.  I...errr...yeah.

Oh, and I don't remember the specific game in question, but I do remember that weird period in the '80s where toys were designed with the sole excuse of packing in a tub of green slime.  Someone must've gotten a heck of deal on it in bulk, is all I have to say.  My house was disturbingly permissive, but like the rest of you, there was no interest in having any such thing going on.
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2009, 05:10:21 PM »


I should have mentioned that the sample I showed was the cover of Animal Comics 8 so if anyone wanted to compare the two images, they could. 

John C - The version I have is Picasa 3.  It's good enough to straighten & crop scans, and obviously to convert color to b&w, and that's about all I've ever done with it.  It can be used to retouch images, but I haven't used that feature so I can't comment on the resulting quality.  I have a "good enough" attitude towards computer programs.  If a program does something well, then I don't need the bells & whistles of "better & newer programs".  I'ld rather use my five-year-old Nero StartSmart program to make cds than anything preloaded on my pc.  Nero may not look as pretty as the newer programs, but it does what I want and it does it very well.
  Anyway, it didn't take long to covert the cover of Animal Comics from cover to B&W ... less than a minute, actually.  I'll probably go back through the different books I downloaded to see what else I can make use of, although it will more than likely be just a panel here-and-there which I'll have to edit into pages.

Speaking of banned things from childhood:  I wish I could remember the name of that board game we had as kids.  You had little plastic figures you moved around the board, and this contraption with some sort of "goop" that was used to cover the figures when something happened.  We didn't get to play with the "goop" since our mom took it away when she heard it could eat through carpets, so the game went into a closet somewhere in the house after we played with it only a few times.  Other than that, toys & games weren't really banned as long as it was age-appropriate and we knew what we were dealing with.

I never saw Mister Rogers as being offensive, stupid or insulting.  I think it has value for very young children and I wouldn't mind my kids watching it ... IF I could find a channel that actually wanted to air it.


Childhood toys that actually should be banned = lawn darts. Maybe.
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