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Batman's Trophy Room

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orion24

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Batman's Trophy Room
« on: June 11, 2010, 07:41:48 PM »

In Batman's Trophy Room he has a Giant Penny, a Giant Dinosaur and a Giant Joker Card among other things, My question is this, Besides trying to make the Batcave look good, What is the point of having these Giant Items in there, And also how did Batman and Robin get these Giant items in the Batcave? I mean can you picture Batman and Robin rolling a Giant Penny into the Batcave from 12 miles away? Just so Batman can have a remembrance of that certain crime, It seems like allot of trouble to go through just for that, And also, Superman also has a Giant Dinosaur in his Fortress of Solitude, What's up with that? Both Heroes had 2 different Villains that used a Giant Dinosaur? I'm sorta glad today they got rid of the Whole Trophy Room Fiasco, But at the same time if it was done in Moderation without all those Giant Items I wouldn't mind it, Too bad the writers back then didn't think realistically about putting those Giant Items in there, But then again, Back then the Comics were for kids only, And they didn't really Care.  :)

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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 07:57:25 PM »

The Justice League has a morgue filled with heroes and villains. How's that for a trophy room?  ;D
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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 08:49:30 PM »

Thanks for your response boox909, But I don't think you understand what my question was, Let me reiterate, How did Batman and Robin get the Giant Penny, Giant Dinosaur and a Giant Joker Card into the BATCAVE? They couldn't have done it on their own, And Please, Nobody say that Superman put them there for Batman, To me, If you look at the 1940's Batcave and they continued with those Giant Items into the 1970's. It looks Ridiculous, All I want to know is , HOW, Did Batman and Robin get them into the Batcave, That's All. :) 
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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 09:08:54 PM »


Thanks for your response boox909, But I don't think you understand what my question was, Let me reiterate, How did Batman and Robin get the Giant Penny, Giant Dinosaur and a Giant Joker Card into the BATCAVE? They couldn't have done it on their own, And Please, Nobody say that Superman put them there for Batman, To me, If you look at the 1940's Batcave and they continued with those Giant Items into the 1970's. It looks Ridiculous, All I want to know is , HOW, Did Batman and Robin get them into the Batcave, That's All. :) 


:o :o :o but  :o :o :o its comic books!!!  ;D ;D ;D

If you pushed DC, I'm sure they would concoct a story that Batman had everything cut into pieces and reassembled in the Batcave. I certainly wouldn't argue that Superman helped them, but maybe Wonder Woman did!  ;)

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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 09:36:03 PM »

Really boox909, That's really drawing out of the box, No where is it established How Batman got those Giant Items into the Batcave, To me it's a Grave oversight on the Writers and Illustrators back then, Batman started of from a Semi Cruel Vigilante carrying a Gun to a Happy Happy Day Character during the 50's and 60's to a semi solemn Character in the 70's and became what Batman is now, I Personally prefer the 70's Batman.
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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 09:39:44 PM »


Really boox909, That's really drawing out of the box, No where is it established How Batman got those Giant Items into the Batcave, To me it's a Grave oversight on the Writers and Illustrators back then, Batman started of from a Semi Cruel Vigilante carrying a Gun to a Happy Happy Day Character during the 50's and 60's to a semi solemn Character in the 70's and became what Batman is now, I Personally prefer the 70's Batman.



I agree ... the Batman of the 1970s is my favorite version, although the pre-Robin Dark Knight is a close second.

Perhaps there was a story or illo that explained how these items came to be in the Batcave...but if so, I've never seen it.

Any Batman historians on the boards?

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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 09:41:15 PM »


In Batman's Trophy Room he has a Giant Penny, a Giant Dinosaur and a Giant Joker Card among other things, My question is this, Besides trying to make the Batcave look good, What is the point of having these Giant Items in there, And also how did Batman and Robin get these Giant items in the Batcave? I mean can you picture Batman and Robin rolling a Giant Penny into the Batcave from 12 miles away? Just so Batman can have a remembrance of that certain crime, It seems like allot of trouble to go through just for that, And also, Superman also has a Giant Dinosaur in his Fortress of Solitude, What's up with that? Both Heroes had 2 different Villains that used a Giant Dinosaur? I'm sorta glad today they got rid of the Whole Trophy Room Fiasco, But at the same time if it was done in Moderation without all those Giant Items I wouldn't mind it, Too bad the writers back then didn't think realistically about putting those Giant Items in there, But then again, Back then the Comics were for kids only, And they didn't really Care.  :)




He got them in because he's the God-damn Batman.

Also, "realism" was no criterion for story-telling back in the day.

He could just disassemble them and rebuild them. Maybe the coin up close is made of many parts.
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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 10:07:18 PM »

I agree with you boox909, The Batman of the 70's was the best, And into the Early 80's also, But the Darker Version of Batman is not what I grew up with, I am almost 47 years old and I watched the T.V. Show when it first came out, But I really grew up with the Batman of the 70's, That was always my Favorite till this day. :)

LOL, Roygbiv666 your right, I just asked this question just in case I missed how they got them in the Batcave in the comic book, Apparently there is no real answer, It's just a Mistake on the Writer's and Illustrators part, Oh Well, Such is Life. :)
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2010, 12:07:13 AM »

He got the giant items in the same way he got the Batplane and Bat Copter out.

His Batcopter should have been plently powerful enough to hoist and carry the giant penny, which probably weighed more than the fake dinosaur.

I think Superman's dinosaur was either a real frozen one or a animatronic dino used by a villian.
And supes could move mount Rushmore if he wanted to.
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2010, 06:05:37 AM »

That's a thought Captain Audio, But I think the Batcopter is on a different level than the Giant Trophies, But I guess they could have manipulated them in place, It is something to think about, Thanks Captain Audio. :)
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2010, 02:16:55 AM »


That's a thought Captain Audio, But I think the Batcopter is on a different level than the Giant Trophies, But I guess they could have manipulated them in place, It is something to think about, Thanks Captain Audio. :)

Theres supposed to be a separate hanger for the aircraft, but I seem to remember there being a roof trap door once used for a Batplane with VTOL capability. Been several decades since that issue so I can't be sure.
I think he also had a sea level boat house and seaplane hanger cave as well.

BTW
found this recently
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=20&ved=0CDQQFjAJOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcomiccoverage.typepad.com%2Fcomic_coverage%2F2007%2F04%2Fcover_to_cover__1.html&ei=1NASTJK7IcX7lwfB87zaDA&usg=AFQjCNGA0esBJSXzCTirZxjuW84ljeN1Nw
Some "Wonderful toys" I hadn't remembered till seeing these covers again.
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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2010, 06:29:08 AM »

Yup, I remember that also, Thank's for the link, I bookmarked it, I found this one as well, You might like it also. : http://casscain.wikia.com/wiki/Batcave

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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2010, 12:19:43 PM »

Found this site
http://goldenagecomics.org/wordpress/2009/02/08/the-origin-of-the-batcave/

With the image of the cross section of the Batcave as it first appeared in the Comics.

Note the original entrance and egress for the Batplane was through an angled tunnel that exited at a dummy barn.
A seperate hangar level was added later on, but in the begining everything was on the same very deep level with an elevator to the mansion that looks big enough to carry a Batmobile at least.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2010, 03:11:49 PM »

Right, You really gotta love the design for hoisting the Batplane up a winch, But the Batcopter in the side of the Mountain really has me scratching my head, Instead of the top of the Mountain opening up or have it like Airwolf, Batman has to not only Fly the Batcopter out of the side of the Mountain but has to land it back the same way, Now that's Precision Flying, The Batplane below it could possibly be VTOL, But the blades on the Batcopter clearing the opening would really make me nervous, Now if a platform slid out of the side of the Mountain with the Batcopter on it, It would make more sense and less dangerous, It could takeoff and land on the platform and slide nicely back into the Mountain, Who knows, Maybe it's there but they didn't mention it into the Diagram.

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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2010, 04:08:02 PM »

I love how this thread has taken off!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2010, 05:00:09 PM »

I Agree boox909. :)

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2010, 05:54:37 PM »

I forgot to mention that in Batman #700, there is a feature on the Batcave.

The giant penny is there, the dinosaur, and the giant joker card.   ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2010, 06:30:00 PM »

I didn't know that, I gotta see that one, I thought they got rid of the Trophies, My Bad I guess. :p

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2010, 06:42:30 AM »


Right, You really gotta love the design for hoisting the Batplane up a winch, But the Batcopter in the side of the Mountain really has me scratching my head, Instead of the top of the Mountain opening up or have it like Airwolf, Batman has to not only Fly the Batcopter out of the side of the Mountain but has to land it back the same way, Now that's Precision Flying, The Batplane below it could possibly be VTOL, But the blades on the Batcopter clearing the opening would really make me nervous, Now if a platform slid out of the side of the Mountain with the Batcopter on it, It would make more sense and less dangerous, It could takeoff and land on the platform and slide nicely back into the Mountain, Who knows, Maybe it's there but they didn't mention it into the Diagram.

Bill


The original Batplane was an autogyro, it used a fuselage and engine mounting basically the same as fixed wing aircraft of the era, but used freewheeling rotor blades instead of wings, its winglets were for added stability and control.

The autogyros could land at very low speeds but needed some forwards motion to keep the rotor spining.

There were a few autogyros fitted with a power takeoff hat would spin the rotor up to speed before begining the take off roll, but till the collective control and tail rotor were developed they couldn't control torque that would tend to make the fuselage spin in the direction opposite the rotor.

An auto gyro could in theory land in a cave opening with very little need for room to brake once inside. A very hairy landing every time.
A roof opening would be of much help in taking off but such a craft could land very nearly vertically with only a breath of head wind.

The miniature copters were not unheard of, a similar small one man skycycle was invented in the 50's, and very similar one man copters are being marketed these days, the inventors estate got the shaft because his patents ran out before new lightweight materials and engine designs made it practical.

Funny story but true.
My cousin once saw a very disheveled gentleman walking down a back road nursing a broken arm. My cousin stopped and drove him to a hospital. On the way the man told him his autogyro had an engine failure and he'd landed in a tall tree deep in the forest, it took him most of a day to find a road.
He told my cousin if he could find the wrecked autogyro he could have it as a reward for his help.

My cousin found the wreck and it was not too badly banged up. It was a real chore getting it out of that treetop though. I saw it after he'd restored it, it looked like the one used in some James Bond movies, top of the line back then.

After he restored it his wife put her foot down and refused to hear of him flying it. They have a son who had very serious medical problems and she was terrified that my cousin might be killed or crippled leaving her without the resources needed to care for the son, the son is now healthy and doing very well.
I'm pretty sure my cousin finally sold the autogyro, though at the time I saw it he;d said he would put it in storage and fly it after his son had grown up and gotten over his disabilities well enough to not need special care.
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2010, 11:32:42 AM »


He got them in because he's the God-damn Batman.


Truth. He got them in there the same way he got a giant supercomputer, a garage and aircraft hangar, and secret tunnels to all points of Gotham in there -- all without anyone else knowing about it.  ??? :D :P

BTW, there's an awesome trade paperback called Secrets of the Batcave which reprints the original stories of the more interesting trophy room items. Great fun!
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Re: Batman's Trophy Room
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2010, 12:56:04 PM »

I see what you mean Captain Audio, An Autogyro would be possible like James Bonds "Little Nell", Thanks for the heads up on the book MaxFortune I'll have to check that out, By the way I found this Yesterday Go Here: http://www.ironcowprod.com/features/downloads/download2.html Take a look at some of the Batman Downloads.

Enjoy. :)

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2010, 05:42:33 PM »

In the immortal words of Robert Crumb, "It's just lines on paper, folks."

Not to put too fine a point on it, but he "got" all that stuff because some artist decided it would look cool and put the appropriate lines on the paper. EOS.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2010, 05:52:18 PM »

That's another way of looking at it also JVJ, And you might be Right. :)

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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2010, 08:42:00 PM »



He got them in because he's the God-damn Batman.


Truth. He got them in there the same way he got a giant supercomputer, a garage and aircraft hangar, and secret tunnels to all points of Gotham in there -- all without anyone else knowing about it.  ??? :D :P


Ever seen all the stuff they shoe horned into those Cold War era underground missile silos?

back in the late sixties a guy inherited a small island in the middle of a river.
While looking the place over he found an air vent hidden by stones.
Opening up the vent he went down into a tunnel complex his great gran pa had built in the 1920's. The place was full of WW1 surplus weapons and trucks.
The old guy had been convinced that armageddon was at hand and built his secret base stocked with supplies for his family and chosen followers.

I don't remember much detail on that story but I think the place was called skull island at the time.
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orion24

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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2010, 02:20:52 AM »

I remember hearing something about that, The thing I was thinking of was how did Bruce Wayne hollow out the Mountain for the Batcopter and the Batplane? The Batcave was suppose to be a Natural Underground Cave, He couldn't have hollowed it out himself, If he hired excavators to do it what was the explanation he gave them for having it hollowed out, It must have been something Unbelievable like a Mountain Penthouse or something. :)

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