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Title: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on February 27, 2009, 09:01:43 PM
I just got a few issues in today; I will probably scan them out of order since they're short & sweet and look like they'll be fairly easy to work with.  And, of course, I'm a huge Kelly fan.  ;D

I've got 19, 20, 23, and 28.  Does anybody have any others they can scan?  Or does anybody else even know somewhere online there are issues available to buy so I can scan them?  To say they seem scarce is almost an understatement. I can't even find any of the other Kelly issues for sale period; even without regard to sale price.  (I've seen a couple other copies of 19, but that's it.)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on February 27, 2009, 09:09:08 PM
Your posts are the very first I've ever heard of these Eric.
Sorry.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on February 27, 2009, 09:15:59 PM
Tell me about it, Yoc.  A 16 page Kelly story a month for just shy of THREE YEARS and it seems to be the best-kept secret in comics.  I only just heard of it, the GCD only has covers for four of the 35 Kelly issues, etc, etc.  (Side note:  Once I post my issues I'll need to figure out how to add covers to the GCD; they have none of the issues I just got.)

At least the fact they're almost unknown is keeping the costs down; the four issues cost me less than 40 with shipping.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on February 27, 2009, 09:28:33 PM
Posting on the GCD is easy. When you go to the title click on cover gallery then scan matrix and it will give you the issues to click and add the covers.

http://comics.org/scans.lasso?SeriesID=25373
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on February 28, 2009, 02:04:58 AM
Thank you, Narf.  That's my first addition to the GCD, it was relatively painless.  :D
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on February 28, 2009, 02:28:10 AM
appreciated thanks
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on February 28, 2009, 06:23:51 AM
Thanks for these new scans Eric!
A new wrinkle to the Kelly career.  The Glob book was another fun find on usenet last year.
He must have done other book and magazine work.  Just to find them...

-Yoc
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JVJ on February 28, 2009, 07:08:57 AM

Thanks for these new scans Eric!
A new wrinkle to the Kelly career.  The Glob book was another fun find on usenet last year.
He must have done other book and magazine work.  Just to find them...

-Yoc

You guys want some REALLY unknown Walt Kelly? How about the 1944 United States Armed Forces Institute publication "The Mechanics of English - a self-teaching course"? It's a 237 page digest-sized booklet with a few dozen spot illustrations in b&w by "Walter C. Kelly, Jr."

Then there's the War Department's Language Guide series. Kelly did half the illustrations for "Japanese" (Al Avison probably did the other half), PROBABLY all the illustrations for "German" and he may have ghosted the Joe Palooka Ham Fisher style for "Serbo-Croatian". All from 1943. There may be others, but those are the one I have....

Peace, Jim (|:{>
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JVJ on February 28, 2009, 07:17:56 AM
ps. for more Kelly info see my bio of him at http://www.bpib.com/kelly.htm (http://www.bpib.com/kelly.htm)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on February 28, 2009, 07:42:45 AM
LOL,
Jim, I should have asked you first!
Now, are those things PD?
And is Complete Nursery Song Book reprints from Fairy Tale Parade?

-Yoc
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JonTheScanner on February 28, 2009, 07:42:59 AM
Pretty sure that Glob scan is mine, Yoc.  Unless someone else has scanned it as well.

The following info is from Fort Mudge Most #40.  This is a fanzine devoted to Kelly and Pogo.

All Peter Wheat material is giveaways.  There were two series, Adventures of Peter Wheat and Peter Wheat News. Both started in 1948.  They were delivered (along with the home-to-home bread deliveries).  They came out monthly though they are not all dated particularly Advs.  They were both printed by Western Publishing.  

Advs was 16 pages long and all newsprint.  Most of the stories involved the Wizard's attempt to take over the wheat filed.  Dragonel originally helped her father but later sided with Peter.  

News was printed on heavier paper -- a single sheet of 11x17 paper folded to make four 8 1/2 x 11 pages.  The first two pages were a cover and news.  The last two pages had part of a Kelly story.  The News was designed to have these last two pages cut off and folded once more to make a small 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 4-page booklet.  Stories ran for three issues (12 pages).  

Kelly did issues #1-35 of Advs.  Al Hubbard did issues #36-66.
Kelly did News #1-30 according to Overstreet, but FMM thinks there were 36 issues total all by Kelly.

Advs #21 was reprinted in Walt Kelly's Christmas Classics
Advs #9 was reprinted in Walt Kelly's Springtime Tales.

I can provide b&w copies of Advs 1-2 and the story pages from News #1-2 as reprinted in FMM #40.  There is no copyright on the original as shown in the reprint.

Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JVJ on February 28, 2009, 08:01:02 AM

LOL,
Jim, I should have asked you first!
Now, are those things PD?
And is Complete Nursery Song Book reprints from Fairy Tale Parade?

-Yoc

You should ALWAYS ask me first, Yoc.

Only "The Mechanics of English" has a copyright, and it's by The Macmillan Co. You should be able to look it up to see if it's renewed. Author is listed as A.I. Spangler.

No, The Complete Nursery Song Book is all new material, as far as I know. I don't own a copy.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on February 28, 2009, 08:15:51 AM
I would love to see those, Jon.  Not sure if they would be allowed on the site, though.

The Peter Wheat news sounds neat, too.  The problem being that, if the Fort Mudge Most isn't even sure how many issues there were, they're probably downright rare.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JonTheScanner on March 01, 2009, 02:00:29 AM
Has anyone seen The Walt Kelly Reader vol 1 published last fall by by Pure Imagination?  Apparently it had some Peter Wheat material as well.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 01, 2009, 07:45:37 AM
Oh, there's a Peter Wheat coloring book on eBay right now.  The seller says it's Kelly art; I'm not quite sure from the cover.  Actually, the more I look, the less I think it is.  But the cover isn't the interior, of course.  I don't think it's Hubbard, either.  I don't suppose they mentioned this in the Fort Mudge Most as well, Jon?

Worth a small bid, in any case.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JonTheScanner on March 01, 2009, 06:50:57 PM
Apparently at least some Kelly art, Eric.

"Other Peter Wheat items were produced over the years:  PW Coloring Book (1951), PW Fun Book (1952) and PW Puzzle Book (1952) all contain at least some Kelly art."
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 01, 2009, 07:06:05 PM
Note to self, then:  Figure out how much I'm really willing to bid.  :)  Thanks for the info, Jon.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 02, 2009, 08:55:44 AM
And another question, even though I'm definitely trying to get this for myself as a Kelly oddity.  Would a fringe product like this be appropriate to post here?  (I know at least a few people would want to see scans and I will make them available if I do win.)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on March 03, 2009, 06:51:15 AM
If its Kelly - I for one want to see it!
If you get them let JC know the particulars and he can see if they are PD.

We've got some Captain Marvel oddball stuff, why no Kelly?
-Yoc
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: John C on March 03, 2009, 10:50:27 PM
The Copyright Office database (we're talking about post-1950 material, right?) doesn't have any listings with Peter Wheat in the title, so it looks about as safe as it's going to get.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JVJ on March 03, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
Here are two other Kelly items from my collection:
(http://www.bpib.com/test/GAC/Pogo-beginning.jpg)

(http://www.bpib.com/test/GAC/Pogo-parents.jpg)

These are circa 1961/1964 if memory serves.

Is anyone interested in the WWII language pamphlets I mentioned above?

Peace, Jim (|:{>
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: John C on March 03, 2009, 11:42:29 PM

Is anyone interested in the WWII language pamphlets I mentioned above?


I happen to enjoy language materials, especially the sorts that are designed for fast acquisition.  So add me to the long list of people who want to see the Kelly art.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on March 04, 2009, 02:50:53 AM
Thanks Jim!
Yes, I'd love to see something from them as well.

:)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 04, 2009, 06:48:27 AM
Is there any question I want to see the Kelly material?  ;D

I'm pretty sure the pamphlets you posted covers of are reprinted in one of the later Fireside Pogo books, Jim.  Not nearly as fun as the original, of course.  But a bit easier to find.  I don't think I've ever seen the language items, though.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JVJ on March 04, 2009, 07:56:12 PM

Is there any question I want to see the Kelly material?  ;D

I'm pretty sure the pamphlets you posted covers of are reprinted in one of the later Fireside Pogo books, Jim.  Not nearly as fun as the original, of course.  But a bit easier to find.  I don't think I've ever seen the language items, though.

I'll leave you to figure out just which Fireside Pogo books these might have appeared in, Eric,
I never bought those, since I have all the material that they reprinted in the its original form. And perhaps you could request the language books with your next scanning lot. That way you could give me your take on the "Ham Fisher" art.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 05, 2009, 02:23:08 AM
Oh, they're on the list for next time, Jim!  (Assuming Jon doesn't beat me to them.  :) )

On another tangent, I need some input from my fellow Kelly fans and I need it soon.  How rare is an unused copy of the Peter Wheat Coloring Book going to be?  The bidding on the one on ebay is already over $75; and I need to figure out how likely another clean copy is likely to show up before I can figure out if I want to go any higher.  This is definitely a rare Public Domain Kelly artifact; and getting a clean copy to scan and make available is, to my mind, important.  I don't expect exact answers, but I want an impression from my fellow Kelly experts how long it's going to be before another one pops up; it will influence how much I'm willing to try and spend.  Because other than people on this site I don't trust anybody to scan and make the material available.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JVJ on March 05, 2009, 03:08:30 AM

On another tangent, I need some input from my fellow Kelly fans and I need it soon.  How rare is an unused copy of the Peter Wheat Coloring Book going to be?  The bidding on the one on ebay is already over $75; and I need to figure out how likely another clean copy is likely to show up before I can figure out if I want to go any higher. 


I'm not the right guy to ask, Eric, so I hope some other GAC folks can answer your  question. $75 for ANY comic-y thing is WAY out of my league.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 05, 2009, 06:50:05 AM
I'm not asking advice on how much I should spend, that has to be my decision.  What I'm asking is how rare you think it is, which is something where I would trust your opinion.  I do know $75 is definitely hitting my limit if the issue was just getting a copy for myself; but since the book is in the public domain there is a real question to my mind if another chance to make it available to everybody will come around any time in the foreseeable future.  That's what I'm wondering; and why I might be willing to spend more.  Given how rare all the Peter Wheat stuff seems to be I imagine a unused copy of the coloring book is even harder to find.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on March 05, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Here are two coloring/activity books that I will be posting here after I get them. Not exactly comic books but I figure that there might be some interest here especially in Willie the Worm. Not sure how colored they are but I got them pretty cheap.

STAR COLORING BOOK: SAFETY FIRST STORIES
FOR CHILDREN (1953) #2                  1 Good @ 8.20-30%=$5.74
http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=79222111236%202


ANIMATED FUNNIES FEATURING WILLIE THE
WORM #1                                 1 Fine @ 8.20-30%=$5.74
http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=03845364379%201
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JonTheScanner on March 05, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
Given how rare all the Peter Wheat stuff seems to be I imagine a unused copy of the coloring book is even harder to find.


I don't regularly (or even as often as seldomly) go looking for coloring books, but finding an uncolored coloring book is quite rare indeed.  The only exceptions are for more recent things like Star Wars where collector mentality had started to take hold and fans purposely preserved things in unused state.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 05, 2009, 06:02:45 PM

I don't regularly (or even as often as seldomly) go looking for coloring books, but finding an uncolored coloring book is quite rare indeed.


Neither do I, Jon.  I DO go looking for Kelly material, though; this is the only coloring book I can recall hearing of him working on.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JVJ on March 06, 2009, 04:33:09 AM

I'm not asking advice on how much I should spend, that has to be my decision.  What I'm asking is how rare you think it is, which is something where I would trust your opinion.  I do know $75 is definitely hitting my limit if the issue was just getting a copy for myself; but since the book is in the public domain there is a real question to my mind if another chance to make it available to everybody will come around any time in the foreseeable future.  That's what I'm wondering; and why I might be willing to spend more.  Given how rare all the Peter Wheat stuff seems to be I imagine a unused copy of the coloring book is even harder to find.


I understood, Eric,
I was trying to say that because of the price, I am totally unaware of such things - heck, even of their existence. It's like looking down the right hand column of a menu at the prices or looking at the prices of an apartment or a house before looking at the actual information about them. My knowledge is pretty much confined to things I might actually acquire. Good luck with your quest.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 06, 2009, 05:22:27 AM
Fair enough, Jim.  Thank you for your input.  I don't often spend more than $40, either.  But it sometimes happens.  :D
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 08, 2009, 06:36:26 AM
Just a heads up for my fellow Kelly fans: I did get the coloring book.  It wasn't cheap.  I'll be posting it for everybody to see as soon as I get it.  And if six other clean copies show up in the next three months I'll be irked.  :P
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on March 08, 2009, 08:51:47 AM
LOL, congrats Eric!
Oh, what's that - eBay just listed a massive find of them  - onsale for $1 each???  Wow eh?
;)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on March 08, 2009, 04:38:39 PM
Oh did I forget to mention that I have two in duplicates box  ;D
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 18, 2009, 06:05:05 AM
So, I ordered copies of what was labeled as "Peter Wheat News" 19 and 43; I figured the 43 was clearly mislabeled and if the 19 was mislabeled I could at least replace the bad pages in my original scan.

I was wrong; I got exactly what was advertised.  Peter Wheat News 19 and 43; 43 has Hubbard art.  You will note that neither Overstreet, the GCD, or the Fort Mudge most even knew the title ran past 30 or 36.  So, to put it mildly-WOW.  There's a special thrill in discovering books that were not previously known to exist, isn't there?  :o

Look for scans later tonight; I've been dithering but I think I'm going to post them as 8-page items files; first the 4 pages as published then the four story pages in correct order and orientation. (Amusingly, the 43's cover feature is the Peter Wheat coloring book.)  The story in 43 does end in a cliffhanger, so who knows how many issues actually exist?  Not that a cliffhanger is proof of a continuation, but it makes it seem marginally more likely to me that they would finish the serial since I suspect the produced the 3-part serials as a whole.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on March 18, 2009, 06:18:12 AM
Congrats on the new buys Eric!
I'm amazed this thread has gotten so many replies too.
Kelly must be a popular guy.  ;)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 18, 2009, 07:04:20 AM
What I'm wondering now is if I have the last existing copy of 43; since they were made to be cut up and all the usual suspects don't even know issues over 36 exist.  It doesn't seem impossible!  I'll be very happy to post this one so it's safe from destruction if my house burns down or something.

Does anybody here know how to inform the GCD that we're dealing with two different titles and set it up so I can post the covers I have?  Would it even consider these comics as such?

I suspect the thread is so popular because I'm obsessively trying to find out anything more we can about the series.  The fact that I seem to have meaningfully contributed to the information we have about it in the few weeks since I discovered it suggests that it's horribly unknown for a major Kelly work.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on March 18, 2009, 07:47:31 AM
Narf is your man on GCD things.  I'm sure he'll know what to do.
:)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: rmdavidson on March 19, 2009, 10:54:38 PM
I did a quick look around the web and found this page with some scans of a Peter Wheat 4 in 1 Fun Pack:

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=34&s=264&ai=44800&ssd=12/20/2003&arch=y (http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=34&s=264&ai=44800&ssd=12/20/2003&arch=y)

The top part of the Fun Pack pages may be Kelly reprints but the bottom portion appears to be redrawn by others.  It's hard to tell on the scans.  By 1949, Kelly was working on editorial cartoons and a local version of the Pogo daily strip for a New York paper and had very little time to do comic books.  Be very suspicious of any comics you see attributed to Kelly after 1950 (except Pogo Possum, of course).

Frankly, I grew up in the 1950's and I never heard of Peter Wheat in the cities I lived in.  So if it was a regional brand and a giveaway comic, it's no wonder they are hard to find.  I haven't found any info on Peter Wheat News after #30, either. 

I remember Al Hubbard from growing up reading his Mary Jane and Sniffles work in the Looney Tunes comics.  He also did many Disney movie adaptations.  Peter Wheat News #43 shows he is still using Kelly's model sheets.  Later on, he worked more in his own style.

Thanks for the great find and new information.

Richard
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on March 19, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
Give me some info and I will set up the skeletons on GCD. Issues 1-43 I got but what is the starting and ending dates as well as size and binding. Thanks


What I'm wondering now is if I have the last existing copy of 43; since they were made to be cut up and all the usual suspects don't even know issues over 36 exist.  It doesn't seem impossible!  I'll be very happy to post this one so it's safe from destruction if my house burns down or something.

Does anybody here know how to inform the GCD that we're dealing with two different titles and set it up so I can post the covers I have?  Would it even consider these comics as such?

I suspect the thread is so popular because I'm obsessively trying to find out anything more we can about the series.  The fact that I seem to have meaningfully contributed to the information we have about it in the few weeks since I discovered it suggests that it's horribly unknown for a major Kelly work.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 20, 2009, 02:44:38 AM
Issue 43 is tentative; it's the last issue known for sure to exist but nothing in it suggests it's the last.

First issue would be April 1948, 43 is is October 1951

It's only four pages so there is no binding; it's just one sheet of paper folded over.  The third and fourth pages are designed to be cut out and folded again into a smaller 4-page Adventures of Peter Wheat mini-comic.  (This is not to be confused with the regular Adventures of Peter Wheat comic.)

I'll measure the book later; it's roughly 7.5 x 11.  Bigger than even a GA comic but not quite Magazine width.

And thank you for your help!  +1 Karma!
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on March 20, 2009, 03:05:07 AM
Peter Wheat News right?
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 20, 2009, 03:10:44 AM
Correct. Peter Wheat News.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 20, 2009, 04:25:19 AM

The top part of the Fun Pack pages may be Kelly reprints but the bottom portion appears to be redrawn by others.  It's hard to tell on the scans.  By 1949, Kelly was working on editorial cartoons and a local version of the Pogo daily strip for a New York paper and had very little time to do comic books.  Be very suspicious of any comics you see attributed to Kelly after 1950 (except Pogo Possum, of course).

I remember Al Hubbard from growing up reading his Mary Jane and Sniffles work in the Looney Tunes comics.  He also did many Disney movie adaptations.  Peter Wheat News #43 shows he is still using Kelly's model sheets.  Later on, he worked more in his own style.

Thanks for the great find and new information.


I'm guessing the strip is a reprint; since Dragonel seems to be one of the bad guys in the story.  It's hard to tell from the small scans, but it does look possibly like Kelly.

I wasn't born until the 70's but my dad used "Now I close my eyes real tight..." as a nursery rhyme.  Mary Jane and Sniffles is one of the great underrated GA series; lost in the generally underwhelming Looney Tunes comics.

You're very welcome, I take a great deal of joy in sharing stuff with people.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on March 20, 2009, 11:37:02 AM




You're very welcome, I take a great deal of joy in sharing stuff with people.


Isn't it great that we have a batch of fans here who share that joy of giving so we spend our time sitting by a scanner just to think of the smile on someone else's face. Yeah we are nuts but it is a good kinda nuts.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on March 22, 2009, 02:54:51 AM
Skeletons are ready on the GCD
http://www.comics.org/scans.lasso?SeriesID=34943
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on March 22, 2009, 07:56:50 AM
Thank you very much, Narf.  The two covers I have are now up, with any luck somebody else will spot it's there and we'll see a few more.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on April 21, 2009, 03:45:56 AM
Anyone interested in the first 2 adv of Peter Wheat?
The Golden Age of Comics reprinted them in black and white in 1982 by New Media Publishing Don and Maggie Thompson. These are just xeroxed copies appear not to have any work done on them. Should I post them here? Would someone want to contact Maggie for permission. I do think they would be a problem in any case as they were public domain and look unretouched.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on April 21, 2009, 05:53:14 AM
I don't know if they're eligible for posting here; I do know I would love to see them personally.

I just won 7 & 12 off eBay; hopefully I'll have them in a week or so to post.  More Kelly material is always welcome.

And I will mention that if anybody sees issue for sale somewhere, please let me know.  I really want to get more of the series posted; more Kelly is always a good thing.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on April 21, 2009, 05:58:46 AM
If Maggie T is ok with it I don't see a problem but best hold off until then.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: John C on April 21, 2009, 01:13:57 PM
For what it's worth, if it really is just a photocopy or other mechanical reproduction, then waiting for permission would only really be a courtesy.

And speaking of which, while being courteous, be clear that the download page (and the comic download itself) can credit them however they like, if they'd like some free advertising.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on April 21, 2009, 03:38:23 PM
I am attempting to ask Maggie. If she says no then I will not post them on the main site.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on April 23, 2009, 06:03:21 AM
And a few minor informational updates on Peter Wheat in general:

1) The story in the "fun pack" is an edited reprint of the first issue of Adventures of Peter Wheat
2) Page 8 of the Coloring book is from the first panel of the second issue.
3) Somebody on eBay is offering Peter Wheat News 61.   :o  I'll know what I can bid on that once I see how much the 10 issues for sale are going for.  (And why is everything hitting at once?)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: rez on April 23, 2009, 06:15:29 AM
(And why is everything hitting at once?)
Doesn't really have anything to do with your subject but it struck a memory chord within me when I read it.
Met a dealer at a comic convention once and got to talking about the definition of 'rare' and 'scarce' in the Overstreet
and he said that he feels there are many more of the books with that definition out there but never come up known and available for sale until the price on the books go up.

No charge for that story :P
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on April 23, 2009, 10:59:25 AM
Then the books came out of the woodwork. Wonder how Gerber fits in? I have seen several "8" books show up and some 5's, etc never.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on April 23, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
I think Gerber is useful for information on relative scarcity about 95% of the time; since he spent several years looking for covers and gathering data as he did.  I do question his estimates of total population, but the relative values are probably pretty good.

Any information on how rare something is is going to be speculative; I think the internet has drawn a lot of books out of the woodwork the past few years.  (Does anybody else ever recall hearing Sugar & Spike 1 described as the rarest DC first issue, for example?  I know it's still not common, but I'm on a mailing list with several people who own copies.)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on April 23, 2009, 08:31:55 PM
Tops Comics is listed as an 8 and at least three people here have it.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: John C on April 23, 2009, 08:56:29 PM

Tops Comics is listed as an 8 and at least three people here have it.


Yep.  And I don't think that I spent more than fifteen bucks on mine, either, but that says more about prominence than rarity, I guess.

Actually, it occurs to me that rarity is pretty difficult to prove.  You can only know what's circulating in the open market, and never know if there's a pile of the books somewhere in a dusty attic, so any book can be "Inapaked."

That's probably entirely obvious to everybody except myself, though.

In the case of Peter Wheat itself, it may be that Eric's purchases and scans are at least partly responsible for the sudden onset of material.  People wandering the Internet stumble across a reference here or on eBay and realize that they have an issue, and might as well get some cash for it.

Or it's a global conspiracy to distract us from that ex-astronaut claiming that NASA has been covering up alien visits.  I really hate it when that happens.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on April 23, 2009, 11:57:00 PM
I'm just amused/annoyed that at least 5 different lots of Peter Wheat books have hit eBay in the past two weeks, after about 6 weeks with nothing.  I have a decent budget but it's not bottomless; I'll need to get lucky to get all 5.  But if they were spread out more I could probably get them all. 

I know I've gotten Peter Wheat some attention; at least a few random blogs and twitters have posted the material or links to it since I started putting stuff up.  Not sure how widespread that is; I just know that when I google "peter wheat" comic quite a few of the results tie to my scans eventually.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on April 24, 2009, 12:59:02 AM
You have created your own Monster
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on April 26, 2009, 06:51:00 AM
And, in the end, I won three of the five Peter Wheat lots that showed up recently.  Now to see how long it takes for anything else to show.

The Peter Wheat News went for 64 dollars; I might pay $16 a page for super rare Kelly material but not for a Hubbard story.  Would still love to see it, though.  I did win a copy of Adventures 29, though.  (I missed a lot of Hubbard issues in the other lot I didn't win, but only one Kelly issue.  So I can't complain.)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on April 26, 2009, 08:00:36 AM
Nice work Eric
:)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on April 26, 2009, 12:17:36 PM
Now Eric is a true Kelly fan.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on May 01, 2009, 03:45:08 AM
Oh, quick question on the GCD:  If I find a nice scan of a cover that's not on the GCD, is it appropriate for me to add it?  Or should I limit myself to covers I scan myself?  (I have a good scan of the Peter Wheat 44 cover I found on heritage)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JonTheScanner on May 01, 2009, 05:32:05 AM
It's fine to add that cover if it has no watermark.  Generally Heritage watermarks below the image so it can be edited out.  You should reduce the size of a Heritage scan before uploading to GCD in any case.

Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on May 01, 2009, 06:00:29 AM
Crop and shrink  Eric. 
GCD has instructions when you click the upload link.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Snard on May 01, 2009, 01:14:01 PM

Crop and shrink  Eric. 
GCD has instructions when you click the upload link.

Our two tools are crop, shrink, and straighten.

Our THREE tools, are crop, shrink, straighten, and color correct.

AMONGST our tools are...

(sorry, couldn't resist)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JonTheScanner on May 01, 2009, 03:49:12 PM
.... sorry I'll come in again."
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on May 08, 2009, 08:19:52 PM
Just a few Odds and Ends on the two series I've picked up in my efforts at research the past month or so, including some pure guesswork.  It gets stuck here since I don't have a blog, although one of these days I am going to try and write a real article on Peter Wheat and get it posted or published somewhere.

Del Connell wrote the series when Kelly left.  According to Who's Who, he wrote both Adventures and News through 1956.

Peter Wheat News ran to at least issue 61.  At this point finding out it ran to issue 111 wouldn't surprise me.  112 would, though- 111 assumes a monthly run up to when adventures ended.

Based on the VERY limited number of covers I've seen, it seems possible that Peter Wheat News was not distributed by everybody who distributed Adventures.  I've only seen Sterling and Krug issues of Peter Wheat News.  Also, based on the two issues I have, it seems possible that different bakeries had different page two's in their editions of the news.  Krug was in the New York/ New Jersey area, at least.

Known bakeries include Krug, Sterling, Rice's, Donaldson, Friedrichs', and the Kitchen Fresh Bakery in Long Beach, California.  Which means the book was distributed on both coasts, if not nationwide.  The last one listed may be a stamp rather than actual printing, I can't tell from the scan I've seen.  I've also seen copies without any bakery listed.  (Adventures 55 has an unusual logo and neither of the two cover scans I've seen has the bakery on the front.  My copy does name the bakery on the back cover, the only issue I've seen that has anything other than the top of the front cover personalized.)

Adventure had a very eclectic publishing schedule once Kelly left.  Up through issue 33 appears to be monthly, with issue 33 being late 1950.  Issue 44 is copyright 1952.  I THINK issue 47 is as well, but the printing on my copy is very blurry and it might be 1953.  Issues 55 and 57 are 1955, issues 58-63 are 1956, issue 64 is 1957.  In any case, it seems that Adventures dropped to at best bi-monthly when Kelly left, and possibly as little as quarterly if not actually suspended for a bit.  It's possible that spaces were taken up by the other promo items.

Known Promo items:  We have the coloring book.  Overstreet lists an Artist's Workbook in 1954, A four-in-one fun pack (vol. 2) in 1954, and a fun book in 1952.  The fun pack we have a couple of pages from is marked vol 1.  Fort Mudge Most mentions a Puzzle Book.  (The images of the fun and puzzle book I found are both low quality, but the PW image on the puzzle book looks like Hubbard while the fun book might be Kelly.  If it is Kelly it's from that early batch of stock art that I'm still not sure if Kelly drew or not.)

I'm not sure if Kelly drew the stock art of Peter Wheat we see in the ads.

At least in the 184 pages of story I've seen in reprint or original, Kelly never drew Peter with that silly Wheat hat.

Anybody have anything to add to that that I've missed?

Amusing side note:  The Walt Kelly entry on Wikipedia now has a link to a blog that posted my scan of 19.  Which is neat on one level, but I really wish it had been any other issue, since my copy of 19 is badly damaged on the covers.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on May 08, 2009, 10:57:41 PM
Good luck with your investigations Eric.
I could see this as a nice article for a couple of mags and any number of artist sites.
:)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on May 12, 2009, 05:48:37 AM
And it's finally official:  I'm not the only person who has scanned and posted an issue of Peter Wheat News.  The person who beat me on the 61 has posted the issue on eBay.  It's clearly the same copy, there's an identifiable stain at the top of the cover.  And they have posted, if not huge scans, quite readable ones of the entire issue.  I will be bidding on this one as well, for my own collection and in hope of better scans, but if I don't win I'll happily compile and post that copy unless the owner does so sooner.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on May 12, 2009, 06:13:03 AM
Oh-oh can it be long until Heritage, Overstreet, et al get involved?
I smell a sudden rise in price.  Oh wait, that's just my feet, sorry.
;)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on May 12, 2009, 06:39:55 AM
Well, in the case of the Peter Wheat News I'll honestly be happy if it draws some more out of the woodwork; the prices may go up but I think the prices probably should go up, honestly.  Heck, for issue 31-up there's no prices TO go up yet.  Heritage has never handled a Peter Wheat News.

Oh, and Congrats on the new job title, Yoc.  It's well deserved!
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on May 13, 2009, 07:06:52 PM
Hi Eric,
Funny thing.  I was just watching 'American Splendor' (2003) and at the 13min mark of the film where Pekar is meeting with Robert Crumb - Crumb mentions Peter Wheat and Walt Kelly!  :)

Just a fun coincidence eh?

-Yoc
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on May 21, 2009, 08:04:10 PM
Narf, is there any chance that the GCD entry on Peter Wheat News can be updated, at least to issue #61?  That would be April of 1953.  We have good reason to think the title went longer- perhaps quite a bit longer- but as far as I know we have no sure info on HOW far. I've had 66 independently suggested to me, and the Who's Who entry for Del Connell suggest at least 3 more years.

Oh, and an addition to the giveaway list:  There was a Peter Wheat Circus that may have featured Walt Kelly art.  A copy is on eBay right now, but as near as I can tell it's incomplete so I'm not bidding any higher than I already have.  There's also another copy of the coloring book, going for under 10 dollars so far.  But one page is colored in already.  I suspect I may have dropped the value on that book when I scanned it and we showed it was redrawn from Kelly rather than original.  ;D

The seller of the 61 generously provided better scans of the issue than in his original listing, I'll post that in a few days.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on May 22, 2009, 12:06:25 AM
Your wish is my command. Updated to 61 and can be updated further in the future if needed. Thanks for these
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on July 08, 2009, 08:24:45 AM
What was purported to be original color guides for an issue of Peter Wheat hit eBay earlier this week.  I have no doubt they're authentic as far as they go, but they're from the Eclipse reprint of issue 9 in Walt Kelly's Springtime Tales.  (If nothing else, the incorrect coloring of Beetle ID's this.)  Mostly mentioning this as a note to myself, and as an excuse to remind people that I would love to know if you ever see issues that aren't posted here for sale.  I would pay over guide but I can't find issues, period.

It's also vaguely interesting as a case of misidentification; I haven't contacted the seller but unless you had seen both the original and the reprint (or at least other original issues) I don't know how you would know where they were from.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on July 08, 2009, 12:17:36 PM
If the seller does not change it be sure to notify ebay so no one pays over for it.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on September 02, 2009, 07:52:12 PM
Sorry to bug everybody, but I wanted to remind people to let me know if you EVER see an issue of Peter Wheat for sale somewhere.  I just missed two of the Hubbard issues on eBay; they went for close to $60 for the pair despite being ""As IS". worn, some torn, but I believe they are not missing any pages."  So that's at least 2-3 times guide; I honestly thought my original bid was generously high for Connell/ Hubbard issues.  I hope the buyer isn't too disappointed.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on October 19, 2009, 05:58:45 AM
Since I've turned this into my "Peter Wheat" information thread, as well as a request page:

The Peter Wheat 4-in-1 fun pack ran to at least vol. 4 in 1954.  From the two pages of #4 posted in the eBay listing #4 has an edited reprint of Adventures 9 (by Kelly) along the top of the pages and other art by Hubbard.  (I can tell it's 9 since that's one of the two issues Eclipse reprinted.)

The good news is I saw it first; with any luck scans will be showing up fairly soon.  ;D
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on October 19, 2009, 06:23:28 PM
Great detective work Eric!
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on October 25, 2009, 08:58:00 AM
Yet another note for myself, since I found a small cover and small interior page scan in my latest poke around the internet:

The story in Peter Wheat 26 appears to have run from 24-27; based on the cover of 25 apparently continuing from the previous issue.  Page 12 of the coloring book was taken from a full page splash in issue 25, as well.

I know I've said this before, but let me know if you find any Peter Wheat issues for sale or have any you can scan.  In particular I want to find 24, 25, and 27; it may be the longest comic book story Kelly ever drew.  At 64 pages, it's one of the longest stories from the era I've every heard of, and at least based on the one issue we have it looks stunning.  I know Monster Society was longer; but not much else comes to mind.  Book length features were normally less than a full 64 (or 62 if you remove the half-page ads) pages.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on November 06, 2009, 03:22:31 AM
Another item for the "known promo items" list: Character prints, from 1948, measuring 7x9.  There were at least two, with Peter Wheat and Sammy Sweet.  Full color picture on front, character bios (in first person) on back.  I have small pictures of both of them, front and back- not enough to post but good enough that I can read the text when I finally break down and write my article on Peter Wheat one of these years soon.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on November 07, 2009, 04:24:44 AM
Looking forward to reading that article Eric!
:)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on November 15, 2009, 08:44:35 PM
And yet ANOTHER addition to the known promo items list:  A plastic bank in the shape of a bread truck, featuring (much reduced and low quality) what I'm pretty sure is a Kelly-drawn logo on the side.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on November 15, 2009, 11:11:48 PM
Time to change your nick from Other Eric to the one and only Peter Wheat. You are the PW man
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on November 16, 2009, 01:28:39 AM
Heh.  It's a series that deserves a lot more attention than it's gotten in the past; even some of the really hardcore Kelly fans don't seem to know much about it beyond what I've posted.  Call it a rare case of finding a project that a) Needs research, b) Deserves research, and c) I can afford when it shows up, at least occasionally.

I'm seriously debating taking out a 1/4 page ad in Alter Ego offering to buy copies- or, in the case of News, even paying for scans.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on November 16, 2009, 04:13:45 AM
Hey I love the passion behind it
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: John C on November 16, 2009, 01:05:18 PM

Hey I love the passion behind it


Even though I'm not particularly big on Kelly, I also appreciate seeing the progress into an obscure area.  So don't think your posts here are unappreciated just because the rest of us don't have anything to contribute.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: JonTheScanner on November 16, 2009, 09:16:24 PM

Heh.  It's a series that deserves a lot more attention than it's gotten in the past; even some of the really hardcore Kelly fans don't seem to know much about it beyond what I've posted.  Call it a rare case of finding a project that a) Needs research, b) Deserves research, and c) I can afford when it shows up, at least occasionally.

I'm seriously debating taking out a 1/4 page ad in Alter Ego offering to buy copies- or, in the case of News, even paying for scans.


Eric, I'd suggest you get in touch with Steve Thompson (I hope that's right) who used to (maybe still does) publish Fort Mudge Most and see what other info they have about Peter Wheat and perhaps contacts his contacts about it to collaborate.  I'll give you more contact info later, if you don't already have it.  I'm at my office right now and am writing this because I kept meaning to and kept forgetting when I was home and had the info.  Maybe this way, you'll remind me if you need it.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: bchat on November 16, 2009, 09:40:58 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/1952-PETER-WHEAT-BREAD-PREMIUM-FUN-BOOK_W0QQitemZ290369928785QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439b657e51

"REALLY COOL BREAD PREMIUM BOOKLET FROM PETER WHEAT WHITE BREAD, 1952. THE "PETER WHEAT FUN BOOK" IS LARGE COMIC BOOK SIZED AND HAS LOTS OF STORIES AND GAMES INSIDE. THE BOOK HAS EDGE TEARS, MINOR STAINING AND YELLOWING OF PAGES.I WILL COMBINE SHIPPING ON MULTIPLE PURCHASES"

Not sure if you saw this or not, but I figured I'ld mention it.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on November 17, 2009, 12:24:34 AM
Kelly art, even if it was just food on the table work for him. is ALWAYS a joy to behold.
Thanks for all your hard work on this obscure title Eric!
:)
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on November 17, 2009, 06:12:35 AM
bchat, I appreciate the heads up.  I'm the lone bidder on that so far; the reason two bids show is I jumped my first bid.  :)

Jon, I will try that soon.  If nothing else, I need to order the issue of the Most with the Peter Wheat articles; and I think I've gotten some meaningful research done into the title. 

Everybody else, thanks for your support.  I'll keep working at it; now that we have the Dell Scribbly and Animal Comics complete it's my major personal project.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: bchat on November 30, 2009, 04:37:22 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Krug-market-Peter-Wheat-premium-comic-53-walt-kelly-art_W0QQitemZ400087981942QQcategoryZ67QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26ps%3D63 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Krug-market-Peter-Wheat-premium-comic-53-walt-kelly-art_W0QQitemZ400087981942QQcategoryZ67QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26ps%3D63)

Adventures of Peter Wheat # 53 ("Krug market Peter Wheat premium comic 53 walt kelly art").  Not sure if you saw it or what you're willing to pay for any given issue, but I thought I mention it.  I've also seen some bread wrappers currently available on eBay, one of which had some "cartoon" artwork.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 02, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
I did grab the 53, bchat.  I missed the 56 and 62 the seller also posted, sadly.  And I did bid on one of the wrappers; not sure what the hell I'll do with it if I win other than use it as a source for photos for my eventual article but what the heck.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 03, 2009, 07:05:11 AM
And this one just popped up on eBay as well:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Adventures-of-Peter-Wheat-Comic-Book-52-Mermaid-Cover_W0QQitemZ310186111714

The thing is, I'm 99.5% sure it's NOT 52- I've got thumbnails of 51-57 from an auction lot; and none of them match even if I can't make out the numbers on them.  More to the point, does this one look like Kelly more than Hubbard to anybody else?  I can't be quite sure, with the small scan, but it looks possible.  I also haven't seen any multipart Hubbard issues before, for that matter.

I'm still bidding on it, no worries.  I'm just trying to decide how high to go.  And why does it always hit it waves?
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on December 03, 2009, 11:00:53 PM
It does sorta have a Kelly feel but the pic is pretty small even when using the enlarge feature.
GL on the auction Eric!
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 05, 2009, 08:51:40 AM
After looking at the mermaid cover closer, I suspect it's actually an early Hubbard issue.  Based on the couple of covers in the 36-41 range I've seen it looks like Hubbard was more closely following Kelly's style before going off on his own.

I also won one of the wrappers that was up for sale; I didn't bother with the other one since it had much less interesting art and it didn't look like I was missing much that wasn't in the photo.  Even by my eclectic standards I wonder what the hell I'm going to do with it when I get it.  :P  I know WHY I want it; it has rare Kelly art and will be a source of pictures eventually.  But even for me it's just WEIRD.  ;D
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 10, 2009, 04:06:51 AM
Make Big Bucks by Slabbing your Comics:  A Case Study.

The following sales are all of the same copy of Peter Wheat #33 on Heritage.  The book is a NM 9.6; guide in NM 9.2 is $70.

7/9/2006: $64.53
10/26/2008: $37.00
12/6/2009: $26.00

Please note that prices include Buyer's premium; for the 12/6/09 sale it was $14.

See how much Slabbing helps your investment!
____________________________________________________

Seriously, I'm looking forward to freeing the book from the slab and sharing it with everybody.  And the numbers are somewhat skewed on this issue due to a find of file copies; there are 11 (soon to be 10) slabbed copies of this issue.  There are only 17 other slabbed Peter Wheat issues total; with no single issue having more than two.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on December 10, 2009, 03:49:13 PM
Congrats Eric!
:D
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: John C on December 10, 2009, 04:50:41 PM

See how much Slabbing helps your investment!


First, as Yoc said, congratulations.  That's either a bargain or the end of a bubble.  Either way...

Second, if we're coming to the end of slabbing utility, I see only one possible move:  We need to start a collectibles market for the slabs themselves, and fast.  I envision grading the plastic and then manufacturing a kind of "metaslab," where we encase the plastic case in plastic to preserve its (dubious) value.

But yeah, it goes to show that buying things for investment purposes, rather than for the enjoyment of the thing, is just gambling with gratification/payout deferred while tying up space.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: bchat on December 11, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again:  "Slabbed Comics" keep sellers honest.  A buyer doesn't have to guess or hope that an online seller is being honest or knows what they're doing, because the grading of the comic has been done by a (hopefully unbiased) 3rd Party.  As long as comics are sold online, there will be a place for CGC & the like. 

Keep in mind that while I endorse the process of "professional grading", I don't support the outlandish prices those books eventually command.  $30 for a book that just hit the shelves?  I don't think so!
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 11, 2009, 07:23:09 PM
Oh, I agree that professional grading does have a place, particularly in online sales.  But this book went through at least two owners who never read the book, and that seems wrong to me. 
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on December 11, 2009, 10:19:26 PM
I'd respect the CGC a lot more if they also offered scanning services so you could get a disk with scans on it as well as the slabbed book.  I know legally it's impossible but heck, why not collect stamps if you're never going to open the slabs?  If you are allowed to copy a DVD as long as you own the original shouldn't you be able to scan a current Marvel as long as it's in your collection and you don't sell or share them?

Thinking out loud here.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: bchat on December 11, 2009, 10:39:07 PM

I'd respect the CGC a lot more if they also offered scanning services so you could get a disk with scans on it as well as the slabbed book.  I know legally it's impossible but heck, why not collect stamps if you're never going to open the slabs?  If you are allowed to copy a DVD as long as you own the original shouldn't you be able to scan a current Marvel as long as it's in your collection and you don't sell or share them?

Thinking out loud here.


I think, technically, you can make a "back-up copy" of something you purchase in order to preserve your purchase against theft or damage, you'ld just run into trouble if you tried to do something with that "back-up".
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on December 11, 2009, 11:46:57 PM
Right.  So if CGC is going to entomb my 'priceless' Spawn meets The Flintstones #1 and they provided a c2c scan of said book I think it would be about the only way I could see them providing a service that also doesn't include undermining the entire point of buying a comic.  To Read Them!
But yes, for a buyer and seller I can see their service being useful.  To use that service to artificially drive up the price of a readily available book for strictly speculation reasons - the idea turns my stomach.

-Yoc
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: bchat on December 11, 2009, 11:57:32 PM

Spawn meets The Flintstones #1


Ha! That's funny ... where can I get my copy?

Quote
To use that service to artificially drive up the price of a readily available book for strictly speculation reasons - the idea turns my stomach.


Unfortunately, it seems there will always be people involved in the hobby that only see dollar signs instead of entertainment.  Ideally, good comic book dealers can see both or else they shouldn't be in business very long.  I just think back to the day years ago when I overheard two guys talking about how many copies of Lady Death # 1 they had & how much it was "worth", and I chuckle to myself now, wondering  "how much are they worth TODAY?  Less than what you paid?  Awww, that's a shame."
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: narfstar on December 12, 2009, 12:19:16 AM
If someone is dumb enough to pay for new books slabbed then I see no problem in someone being smart enough to sell it to them. The books will never be worth just the cost of slabbing let alone added premium. Slabbing is worthwhile for books in fine or better books or books of high value in lower grade to insure grading.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on December 12, 2009, 12:37:09 AM
Hey, did we forget to mention the whole brouhaha over CGC owning a company that 'restore comics'?
Didn't that raise a lot of hackles not that long ago?

-Yoc
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 12, 2009, 07:26:33 AM
Just a quick note for myself, making sure I have all the Peter Wheat books (as opposed to other items) figured out:

Adventures of Peter Wheat: 66 issues, first 35 have Kelly art.

Peter Wheat News: At least 61 issues; probably not more that 111 at absolute most; and no idea where the cutoff is other than it's somewhat more likely than not to be a multiple of 3.  Through 36 believed to have Kelly art.

Peter Wheat 4-in-1 Fun Pac: At least 4 issues; all known issues contain edited Kelly reprints.

Presumed one-shot items:  Fun Book, Coloring Book, Puzzle Book, Artist's Workbook.  Despite reports otherwise the two we've seen have Kelly swipes but no original or reprint art by him other than possible stock images.

Anybody recall any books I missed?
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 20, 2009, 07:49:46 AM
I finally got the Peter Wheat 33 today.  I will say this:  A 9.6 File Copy is a beautiful book to behold.  And even after the slight damage scanning causes, an 8.5 or so File Copy is still a beautiful book.  (The glued spine makes it impossible to scan without adding a slight crease or I could have kept it in even better shape.) Even more beautiful, because I know it's PD and I can share it with a lot of people.  I would rather have a lower grade book everybody can enjoy rather than a 9.6 even I can't enjoy.

It will be a few days before I post the book here; I promised somebody they could debut it on their blog.  Once it shows up there I'll post it to GAC.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on December 20, 2009, 09:47:30 AM
And, on an unrelated note:  I found a reference to another one of the character posters I mentioned earlier; this time of Dragonel.  No image to go with it, sadly.
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: Yoc on December 20, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
Congrats on the file copy Eric.
If you wanted to pass along the url for the blog that would be fine.

-Yoc
Title: Re: Peter Wheat
Post by: OtherEric on January 01, 2010, 12:41:17 AM
And yet another minor note for myself on the series:  The last page of Adventures being half story, half ad continued until at least issue 40; full page ads on the back cover started with 42 at the latest.  So the page count didn't change exactly when Kelly left; 41 is either the first issue with a full page ad or the last with the half.