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Peter Wheat

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OtherEric

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2009, 05:53:14 AM »

I don't know if they're eligible for posting here; I do know I would love to see them personally.

I just won 7 & 12 off eBay; hopefully I'll have them in a week or so to post.  More Kelly material is always welcome.

And I will mention that if anybody sees issue for sale somewhere, please let me know.  I really want to get more of the series posted; more Kelly is always a good thing.
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2009, 05:58:46 AM »

If Maggie T is ok with it I don't see a problem but best hold off until then.
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John C

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2009, 01:13:57 PM »

For what it's worth, if it really is just a photocopy or other mechanical reproduction, then waiting for permission would only really be a courtesy.

And speaking of which, while being courteous, be clear that the download page (and the comic download itself) can credit them however they like, if they'd like some free advertising.
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2009, 03:38:23 PM »

I am attempting to ask Maggie. If she says no then I will not post them on the main site.
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OtherEric

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2009, 06:03:21 AM »

And a few minor informational updates on Peter Wheat in general:

1) The story in the "fun pack" is an edited reprint of the first issue of Adventures of Peter Wheat
2) Page 8 of the Coloring book is from the first panel of the second issue.
3) Somebody on eBay is offering Peter Wheat News 61.   :o  I'll know what I can bid on that once I see how much the 10 issues for sale are going for.  (And why is everything hitting at once?)
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2009, 06:15:29 AM »

(And why is everything hitting at once?)
Doesn't really have anything to do with your subject but it struck a memory chord within me when I read it.
Met a dealer at a comic convention once and got to talking about the definition of 'rare' and 'scarce' in the Overstreet
and he said that he feels there are many more of the books with that definition out there but never come up known and available for sale until the price on the books go up.

No charge for that story :P
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2009, 10:59:25 AM »

Then the books came out of the woodwork. Wonder how Gerber fits in? I have seen several "8" books show up and some 5's, etc never.
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2009, 05:51:15 PM »

I think Gerber is useful for information on relative scarcity about 95% of the time; since he spent several years looking for covers and gathering data as he did.  I do question his estimates of total population, but the relative values are probably pretty good.

Any information on how rare something is is going to be speculative; I think the internet has drawn a lot of books out of the woodwork the past few years.  (Does anybody else ever recall hearing Sugar & Spike 1 described as the rarest DC first issue, for example?  I know it's still not common, but I'm on a mailing list with several people who own copies.)
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2009, 08:31:55 PM »

Tops Comics is listed as an 8 and at least three people here have it.
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John C

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2009, 08:56:29 PM »


Tops Comics is listed as an 8 and at least three people here have it.


Yep.  And I don't think that I spent more than fifteen bucks on mine, either, but that says more about prominence than rarity, I guess.

Actually, it occurs to me that rarity is pretty difficult to prove.  You can only know what's circulating in the open market, and never know if there's a pile of the books somewhere in a dusty attic, so any book can be "Inapaked."

That's probably entirely obvious to everybody except myself, though.

In the case of Peter Wheat itself, it may be that Eric's purchases and scans are at least partly responsible for the sudden onset of material.  People wandering the Internet stumble across a reference here or on eBay and realize that they have an issue, and might as well get some cash for it.

Or it's a global conspiracy to distract us from that ex-astronaut claiming that NASA has been covering up alien visits.  I really hate it when that happens.
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« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2009, 11:57:00 PM »

I'm just amused/annoyed that at least 5 different lots of Peter Wheat books have hit eBay in the past two weeks, after about 6 weeks with nothing.  I have a decent budget but it's not bottomless; I'll need to get lucky to get all 5.  But if they were spread out more I could probably get them all. 

I know I've gotten Peter Wheat some attention; at least a few random blogs and twitters have posted the material or links to it since I started putting stuff up.  Not sure how widespread that is; I just know that when I google "peter wheat" comic quite a few of the results tie to my scans eventually.
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2009, 12:59:02 AM »

You have created your own Monster
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OtherEric

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2009, 06:51:00 AM »

And, in the end, I won three of the five Peter Wheat lots that showed up recently.  Now to see how long it takes for anything else to show.

The Peter Wheat News went for 64 dollars; I might pay $16 a page for super rare Kelly material but not for a Hubbard story.  Would still love to see it, though.  I did win a copy of Adventures 29, though.  (I missed a lot of Hubbard issues in the other lot I didn't win, but only one Kelly issue.  So I can't complain.)
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2009, 08:00:36 AM »

Nice work Eric
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narfstar

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2009, 12:17:36 PM »

Now Eric is a true Kelly fan.
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OtherEric

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2009, 03:45:08 AM »

Oh, quick question on the GCD:  If I find a nice scan of a cover that's not on the GCD, is it appropriate for me to add it?  Or should I limit myself to covers I scan myself?  (I have a good scan of the Peter Wheat 44 cover I found on heritage)
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2009, 05:32:05 AM »

It's fine to add that cover if it has no watermark.  Generally Heritage watermarks below the image so it can be edited out.  You should reduce the size of a Heritage scan before uploading to GCD in any case.

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Yoc

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2009, 06:00:29 AM »

Crop and shrink  Eric. 
GCD has instructions when you click the upload link.
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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2009, 01:14:01 PM »


Crop and shrink  Eric. 
GCD has instructions when you click the upload link.

Our two tools are crop, shrink, and straighten.

Our THREE tools, are crop, shrink, straighten, and color correct.

AMONGST our tools are...

(sorry, couldn't resist)
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JonTheScanner

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2009, 03:49:12 PM »

.... sorry I'll come in again."
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OtherEric

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2009, 08:19:52 PM »

Just a few Odds and Ends on the two series I've picked up in my efforts at research the past month or so, including some pure guesswork.  It gets stuck here since I don't have a blog, although one of these days I am going to try and write a real article on Peter Wheat and get it posted or published somewhere.

Del Connell wrote the series when Kelly left.  According to Who's Who, he wrote both Adventures and News through 1956.

Peter Wheat News ran to at least issue 61.  At this point finding out it ran to issue 111 wouldn't surprise me.  112 would, though- 111 assumes a monthly run up to when adventures ended.

Based on the VERY limited number of covers I've seen, it seems possible that Peter Wheat News was not distributed by everybody who distributed Adventures.  I've only seen Sterling and Krug issues of Peter Wheat News.  Also, based on the two issues I have, it seems possible that different bakeries had different page two's in their editions of the news.  Krug was in the New York/ New Jersey area, at least.

Known bakeries include Krug, Sterling, Rice's, Donaldson, Friedrichs', and the Kitchen Fresh Bakery in Long Beach, California.  Which means the book was distributed on both coasts, if not nationwide.  The last one listed may be a stamp rather than actual printing, I can't tell from the scan I've seen.  I've also seen copies without any bakery listed.  (Adventures 55 has an unusual logo and neither of the two cover scans I've seen has the bakery on the front.  My copy does name the bakery on the back cover, the only issue I've seen that has anything other than the top of the front cover personalized.)

Adventure had a very eclectic publishing schedule once Kelly left.  Up through issue 33 appears to be monthly, with issue 33 being late 1950.  Issue 44 is copyright 1952.  I THINK issue 47 is as well, but the printing on my copy is very blurry and it might be 1953.  Issues 55 and 57 are 1955, issues 58-63 are 1956, issue 64 is 1957.  In any case, it seems that Adventures dropped to at best bi-monthly when Kelly left, and possibly as little as quarterly if not actually suspended for a bit.  It's possible that spaces were taken up by the other promo items.

Known Promo items:  We have the coloring book.  Overstreet lists an Artist's Workbook in 1954, A four-in-one fun pack (vol. 2) in 1954, and a fun book in 1952.  The fun pack we have a couple of pages from is marked vol 1.  Fort Mudge Most mentions a Puzzle Book.  (The images of the fun and puzzle book I found are both low quality, but the PW image on the puzzle book looks like Hubbard while the fun book might be Kelly.  If it is Kelly it's from that early batch of stock art that I'm still not sure if Kelly drew or not.)

I'm not sure if Kelly drew the stock art of Peter Wheat we see in the ads.

At least in the 184 pages of story I've seen in reprint or original, Kelly never drew Peter with that silly Wheat hat.

Anybody have anything to add to that that I've missed?

Amusing side note:  The Walt Kelly entry on Wikipedia now has a link to a blog that posted my scan of 19.  Which is neat on one level, but I really wish it had been any other issue, since my copy of 19 is badly damaged on the covers.
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Yoc

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2009, 10:57:41 PM »

Good luck with your investigations Eric.
I could see this as a nice article for a couple of mags and any number of artist sites.
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OtherEric

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2009, 05:48:37 AM »

And it's finally official:  I'm not the only person who has scanned and posted an issue of Peter Wheat News.  The person who beat me on the 61 has posted the issue on eBay.  It's clearly the same copy, there's an identifiable stain at the top of the cover.  And they have posted, if not huge scans, quite readable ones of the entire issue.  I will be bidding on this one as well, for my own collection and in hope of better scans, but if I don't win I'll happily compile and post that copy unless the owner does so sooner.
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Yoc

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2009, 06:13:03 AM »

Oh-oh can it be long until Heritage, Overstreet, et al get involved?
I smell a sudden rise in price.  Oh wait, that's just my feet, sorry.
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OtherEric

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Re: Peter Wheat
« Reply #74 on: May 12, 2009, 06:39:55 AM »

Well, in the case of the Peter Wheat News I'll honestly be happy if it draws some more out of the woodwork; the prices may go up but I think the prices probably should go up, honestly.  Heck, for issue 31-up there's no prices TO go up yet.  Heritage has never handled a Peter Wheat News.

Oh, and Congrats on the new job title, Yoc.  It's well deserved!
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