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Re: Captain Atom 058

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Dick Morriale

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Re: Captain Atom 058
« on: November 19, 2019, 11:00:04 PM »

How can my comment be nice, beautiful, when your comic books have ugly licorice adds like this one. It would be nice, if when one downloads, if you could just hit a key and remove offensive pages.

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paw broon

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Re: Captain Atom 058
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2019, 03:37:38 PM »

It's of it's time - 1954 and despite your comment about UK cousins on the other CA, this and the other Captain Atom are Australian books, published by Atlas.  Some Aus. comics did show up in the UK as they came over in ships as ballast. Only my opinion but I believe it's important to have this stuff available as it shows up the lack of regard there was in the past for other races and religions.  Actually, you ain't seen nothing yet.  In the UK we had strips such as "The Cheery Chinks" and "Spadger's Isle"  Offensive?  You bet. Nowadays that is, but in the past these types of strips were perfectly acceptable, and we have to realise that. 
Here in Scotland where our other national drink is Irn Bru - previously "Iron Brew" - (one of the few places in the world where Coke is not the post popular beverage) there was a series of ads featuring Sandy, a wee, Scots kiltie and Ba Bru an Indian boy. Here's one with Ba Bru:-
http://foodanddrink.scotsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Irn-Bru.jpg
One of our larger confectionary companies was Lees of Coatbridge, who produced among umpteen other sweet things, Macaroon Bars, the advert for which was racially insulting. Have a look but the ad shown doesn't have the song:-
https://retrodundee.blogspot.com/2011/02/lees-macaroon-bar-theme-tune-1967.html
In case you're curious here are the lyrics:-
"Lee's, Lee's, more if you please.
All of us beg on our bended knees.
For piccaninnies and grandpapas,
It's Lee's for luscious macaroon bars."

What do you make of Chop Chop in Blackhawk? Perhaps we should excise all panels with the wee chap.
Or Ebony in The Spirit? 
The Black Gang - a Bulldog Drummond adventure - is still in print despite having anti Semitic content. ( I touched on this recently in an article published in the 2nd issue of aka the fanzine) Also, have a read at Exciting comics #16, newly posted.  I'm curious to know how you feel about the treatment of Chinese and native Americans as depicted.

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Andrew999

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Re: Captain Atom 058
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2019, 06:12:16 PM »

This is an old chestnut in some ways. Personally, I believe most people are intelligent enough to recognise the time and social context of any prejudices - in fact, that is an educational process in itself, how and why attitudes change - that's part of the journey of our own social progress.

Also, there is a continuum in how words may be used - in a chivvying brotherly way (scouser, jock, chalky) to support propaganda (Capt Hurricane and the nips, krauts, hun, eyeties he fought) up to the genuinely rude, prejudicial and verbally violent ways that we all know. That's also a continuum worth studying.

I remember a Headteacher I worked for who wanted the English department to go through every copy of To Kill A Mockingbird (it was a set examination book that year) blacking out every mention of the 'N' word - completely missing the point of how the N word in the story is used to label a character and is rapidly followed by an onslaught of prejudice linked to that word without seeing the innocent humanity of the person beneath.
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The Australian Panther

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Re: Captain Atom 058
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2019, 12:02:14 AM »

Dick,
I think the positive thing is that you and mot of the rest of us, reading that today have a strong negative reaction to this type of subject matter.  If, nearly 70 years later, we saw nothing wrong with it, that would be the problem.
At this moment, Disney has been censoring reprints of Floyd Gottfredson 's great Mickey mouse stories and is issuing warnings and perhaps tampering with the reissuing of the original 'Dumbo' Movie. I don't agree with this type of retrospective censorship, I don't like to be told what I should think.  Once you accept it as a good thing, then Politicians and Multinational companies will adopt the idea for different reasons and start telling dangerous lies.
In any case, you will never edit out and censor every single instance of this kind of thing in old comics, movies and books. They are history and should remain as an accurate record of how things were.
Cheers!         
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