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Re: 4C0491 Max Brand's Silvertip

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josemas

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Re: 4C0491 Max Brand's Silvertip
« on: November 05, 2013, 02:00:41 AM »

Looks like Kinstler had been studying Kubert before doing this job.

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crashryan

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Re: Re: 4C0491 Max Brand's Silvertip
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 04:15:44 AM »

Though he was a capable artist on his own, Kinstler used a lot of swipes. Check out some Kubert "Jesse James" stories and you'll find the source of many Kinstler panels.
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Re: Re: 4C0491 Max Brand's Silvertip
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 12:20:49 PM »


Though he was a capable artist on his own, Kinstler used a lot of swipes. Check out some Kubert "Jesse James" stories and you'll find the source of many Kinstler panels.


I remember in JVJ's book on Kinstler ERR mentions Kubert as an influence on his work.  Nice to be able to check that here now. 
One of Kinstler's most blatant swipes I've yet seen was a Shadow pulp he illustrated that had an out and out swipe of an earlier Tom Lovell Shadow illo.
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Re: 4C0491 Max Brand's Silvertip
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2013, 04:46:56 PM »

ERK told the story at the San Diego ComicCon of how Lovell once praised him for the composition of those particular illustrations, Jose. Ray said, 'yes, they were particularly good, weren't they?' Lovell was taken a bit aback by this apparent immodesty until Ray pointed out that he had lifted them wholesale from Lovell.

Kinstler never denied his swipes, nor was he ashamed of them. Just as artists like Rockwell and Leyendecker used photographic reference without shame, so Ray took from whatever was at hand. As you say, he was able to draw anything, just couldn't justify spending the time doing it for the money they paid him. His choice.

When he followed Kubert on Jesse James, he described what you and I saw as swipes as a 'collaboration' of sorts - "We were working on the series together and of course there was an overlap." And the biggest influence Kubert had on him was to get him to abandon the pen in favor of the brush for his comic work. It actually allowed him to stay in comics for five+ more years and to make a living at it by producing enough pages to survive on.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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