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3-D Comics

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Andrew999

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3-D Comics
« on: March 03, 2021, 09:04:14 AM »

As a kid, one of my prized possessions was a plastic Viewmaster 3-D viewer. As a teen, I saw my first 3-D movie - a reissue of an early fifties horror, can't remember the title, but it featured a kind of walking tree.

I was always surprised that 3-D comics never caught on - I would have been first in the queue - so imagine my joy when I came across this amazing article:

http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/home/images-from-the-archive/comic-books

I'm pretty sure I bought a 3-D comic in the eighties - perhaps it was a one-off as a pastiche. Odd that, as far as I'm aware, nobody produces 3-D comics regularly.

The same is true of TV, I believe - a passing fad around 2010, none of the major manufactures still support it.

Looks like I'm going to have to go outside and view the real world if I want to experience 3D again - what a bore.....
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crashryan

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2021, 06:26:14 PM »

There was a brief 3-D revival thanks to Ray Zone, who produced some 3-D undergrounds as well as remastering other stuff as 3-D. For me the biggest problem with 3-D comics was losing the stupid glasses. Also, for many publishers, especially the cheaper ones, the ink colors didn't match the cellophane colors, so you got this 2-1/2-D mess. I understand many people had headache problems with 3-D movies. I didn't...but I never saw a red-blue 3-D movie, only ones with polarized glasses. The need to wear something limits the appeal of 3-D, especially for those of us who wear glasses (I tuck the cardboard glasses between my face and my specs).
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SuperScrounge

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2021, 12:52:59 AM »

I'd imagine it would also be more work for the line artist to create the 3-D effect lines, although I could be wrong.

Although with computer art programs like Daz 3-D, Maya, Blender, etc. you could actually arrange the figures, props, lighting, etc. in a 3-D space then move the camera slightly to snap pictures that could be used to create a 3-D effect. Not sure if anyone has tried that or not though.
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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2021, 01:01:56 AM »

3D has mostly been only a nuisance for me, because I was born with a Lazy eye, which means one eye weaker than the other. So I could never see the image correctly. At least the old style 3 colour glasses.
It might surprise you but 3D is very much alive and well. Check out this list.
List of 3D films (2005 onwards)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_films_(2005_onwards)

I was trying to remember when I went to the movies only a few years age and was handed glasses to watch the film, and they worked quite well. I believe that was Cars 2.
And seeing an IMAX version of a movie is something else again!

The Tech Behind 3D's Big Revival
https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a4065/4310810/

Cheers!
 
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crashryan

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2021, 02:21:02 AM »

I feel quite stupid; I'd completely forgotten the recent spate of 3-D feature films. I seldom go the the movies any more, so I don't pay enough attention to what's going on there. I've seen ads for 3-D Imax films. My stomach drops just to think of it. The Imax screen is so enormous that it often overwhelms me, especially in narrative films (as opposed to "magnificent nature" features), where I must process close-ups of heads two stories tall.

I shamefacedly admit that the first 3-D film I ever saw was a porn feature. In early 1970s America it was briefly considered chic to go to a porno movie. Some tastemaker somewhere determined that Deep Throat and The Devil in Miss Jones were hip...even Johnny Carson joked about them. The nearby San Francisco porno theaters were the epicenter of hip porn, but other theaters hopped on the bandwagon in hopes of snaring some collegiate twenty-something guys and their girlfriends.

My chums and I decided to see what the fuss was about--remember, at the time pornography was mostly limited to underground comics and in many places was illegal. Being geeks we'd also always wanted to see a 3-D movie. We weren't ready to brave Skid Row where the hardcore theaters were, so we ended up at a third-rate house in one of the Will-Somebody-Please-Gentrify-This-Dump neighborhoods watching a 3-D softcore feature. The Stewardesses was in color and 3-D and boasted a budget of twelve dollars and seventy-five cents. The expression "piece of crap" was invented to describe this film. It was so embarrassingly bad that it ended any notion I had of "porno chic." The 3-D was limited to a couple of legs thrust toward the screen. Being a softcore film, there were none of the interesting effects one might imagine would be in 3-D porn.

Years later a revival theater (how I miss revival theaters!) showed a 3-D print of The Creature from the Black Lagoon. The film mostly demonstrated that 3-D was just another gimmick. But one scene sticks in my mind. The hero and his friends have tossed chunks of poison into the lagoon to stun the Gill Man. The poison was really blocks of dry ice. There's an underwater shot, looking up toward the surface as a row of these blocks splash in, then sink, boiling and tumbling, while rays of sunlight filter through the sediment. That 3-D image is, in a word, breathtaking. If they'd done something like that in The Stewardesses I might have gone back to the theater.

Incidentally, one of my braver friends took his girlfriend to the sleaze district to see Deep Throat. While they waited in the long ticket line a hooker hit on my friend and asked him if he wouldn't rather see the real thing. Very chic.
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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2021, 07:11:32 AM »

Well, the next thing will be Virtual Reality 3D on your computer [Phone, Laptop or desktop] or you can put on glasses and headphones and disappear right into it.
Be assured, that's what they are aiming towards. And if you have A Top quality screen and graphics card, and your system is Blu-Ray compatible, and most new ones are, the image quality [If the film was shot that way in the first place] is as near to 3D as it gets. In any case, your eyes have to be able to see that quality, and some of us have tired old eyes!
Museum of obsolete media
Blu-ray 3D
https://obsoletemedia.org/blu-ray-3d/

Anybody remember the series of DVDs, that Marvel put out a few years back, where they took work created for comic books, added motion and audio and removed the Word Balloons and released them as cartoon movies?
John Romita's run on Black Panther was one of them.     
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Andrew999

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2021, 08:32:15 AM »

I believe you're thinking of motion comics - some of them were pretty good - some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-p_5cQhAI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QhLN36yf88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHtzV_qrtxk





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Andrew999

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2021, 08:40:07 AM »

Oddly enough, when I was at uni back in the seventies, we did something like that with lasers set at 90 degrees to create holograms.

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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2021, 09:11:52 AM »

Andrew, yeah, them's the ones.

This one was a good choice. A classic.
Astonishing X Men Unstoppable Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-p_5cQhAI

   
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Captain Audio

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2021, 11:20:36 AM »

Years ago I bought a sack full of DVDs for a buck each and one of these turned out to be a fairly recent 3D movie.
There were four sets of old style 3D glasses in the box.
This particular film didn't work in 3D at all, probably because the entire film was shot at night or inside a coal mine.
The glasses had their own problem, the red and blue lenses being reversed. No biggie there since I could fold the ear pieces backwards to put them right.
Th glasses worked fine with old 3D films I found on YouTube.

There were a number of experimental 3D movies on YouTube at the time, some were amazingly effective.
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paw broon

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2021, 12:46:10 PM »

I don't see colours very well. I know they're there but find it difficult to differentiate between some of them.  3d comics do nothing for me. They always seem blurry and I'm not sure I've ever watched a 3D movie, certainly not with those weird glasses.  I had a swatch at the X-Men thingy you posted but I'm not sure what i was meant to see.  It looked out of focus at times and not being an X-Men fan, I quickly lost interest.
I have seen and enjoyed Creature From The Black Lagoon but it couldn't have been a 3D film surely.
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narfstar

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2021, 04:13:31 PM »

I am surprised that 3d tv did not catch on more. My son has one and loves it except they do not put out many movies. He has to get some from UK. they seem to have more.
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roxburylib

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2021, 03:12:44 PM »

Since money is still spent to make 3D movies (usually a conversion from 2D), it is weird that 3D TVs are no longer being made. I don't know why. I understand that 3D TV was oversold and that wearing glasses was a minor nuisance. I don't know why no manufacturer is making them. About 15% of movie tickets sold are for 3D versions. While that's not a massive audience, multiply that percentage by 39 million TVs sold annually in the US and that's a noncompetitive sale of some 6 million TVs if only one manufacturer is making them. What company wouldn't kill to get a 15% increase in market share?

Yet no manufacturer is making 3D TVs. As far as I know, most 4K TVs natively have the specs to do 3D. Early on, some 4K TVs had 3D. Older HDTVs did not have the refresh rate to do 3D, so more expensive ones were made. I have no idea whether there is a prohibitively expensive licensing fee to include 3D in TVs. If there isn't it's weird that nobody is selling at least one 3D TV.

My best guess for why nobody makes 3D TVs is that it was a matter of floor space in stores. Manufacturers have bottom line products that are the least profitable items they make. Added features for higher end models have massive markups. Look at the cost difference for memory on iPads. It costs $100 more to go from 32Gb to 128Gb storage. It costs Apple about $10 more to put the bigger chip in and makes a whopping $90 profit. The same goes for TVs. Right now, 4K is a bigger sales driver than 3D. When 4K first arrived about half the floor space was devoted to 4K and half to 720/1080 TVs. There was no room or need for a 3D variant as a pricey extra feature--4K was that.

4K TVs have essentially saturated the market for anything over 43". That might make 3D ripe for a comeback--except that 8K TVs are now coming out. Maybe the new Avatar sequel will pique new interest.
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