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LOEG - original Seven Stars appearances

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Steverino

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LOEG - original Seven Stars appearances
« on: June 27, 2019, 07:35:01 PM »

I'm interested in finding scans of stories from the Golden Age that inspired Alan Moore's "Seven Stars" in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I've found a few, including an Elecro-girl story from Super-Duper #5 on this very site. Please help me if you know of any others. Below is my list of bibliographic information and links.

The Seven Stars (in alphabetical order)- Their Original Appearances & Links to Scans

1. Captain Universe
Created by Mick Anglo - Captain Universe #1 (Arnold Book Company, 1954)
Scans available:
http://lewstringer.blogspot.com/2014/12/captain-universe-no1-1954.html

2. Electro-girl
Created by Dennis M. Reader - G-Boy Comics (Cartoon Art Productions, 1947) - Whizzer Comics (1947) - Super-Duper Comics (1947-49)
Scans available:
On this site - https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=29299

3. Flash Avenger
(This character is tricky. He is said by the International Catalogue of Superheroes to have been adapted from Captain Zenith, another Mick Anglo character. But that has been refuted, and it seems as though he may have been created out of whole cloth by Alan Moore. Or was the character was created by John
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Steverino

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Re: LOEG - original Seven Stars apperances
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2019, 11:28:23 PM »

An update - I have not found any more links - not yet! But I have found a REFERENCE. The immense MSU comic collection has indexed an entry for "Burt Steele and Satin Astro in the Year 3000 AD." It says that a description and a sample (2 pages) is published in the book "Space Aces! Comic Book Heroes from the Forties and Fifties" by Denis Gifford (London : Green Wood, 1992).
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positronic1

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Re: LOEG - original Seven Stars appearances
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2019, 06:11:06 AM »

Thanks for the links, Steverino. I probably would have enjoyed Albion (DC/Wildstorm, 2005-2006) more if I'd had some idea (at the time) of the characters it was referencing. At that point, I think the only ones I was aware of were the Steel Claw and the Spider (both of which had been reprinted). Then again, Alan Moore only plotted that one, leaving the actual writing to his daughter Leah and John Reppion. I may have to look up some more of those old characters as well and revisit it. A sampling of the original stories the characters were based on appeared in Albion Origins HC (2007 Titan), but alas, I missed that one when it was released. The latest LOEG seems to take the same basic approach to older/obscure British comic characters, but of course it's Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neil at the helm, and what could be better?
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paw broon

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2019, 01:50:38 PM »

O.K., I'm stumped.  Can't get anywhere with Flash Avenger.  As far as I can see, he's not listed in the Gifford books, nor in Clarke & Higgs, "Nostalgia about Comics".
Gail Garrity appeared in Dynamic  and Oh Boy Comics. Dynamic was a one shot which also featured a Wonderman story.  Gail was more an early Mrs. Peel/Zola style character. According to Gifford, the strip was created by Anglo but quickly taken over by Jack Bridges.
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Steverino

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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2019, 05:22:44 AM »

Positronic1, I know what you mean. I was helped enormously in understanding Albion by the online annotations, which were recently referenced on Reddit, either at the Alan Moore page or the LOEG page (can't remember which). Just prior, I had taken a deep dive into Paul Grist's Jack Staff, which included several of the Albion characters. And then, yes, I bought the Albion Origins HC from Titan - there was a reprint section in the end of Moore's Albion book, too.

In fact, what I would like to see is a Seven Stars: Origins collection. Heck, we've already got great selections for Capt. Universe, Electro-girl, and Zom! It's a start, anyway. Maybe we can find the others and create our own homemade versions.

And Paw Broon, you are not the only one stumped. It's the growing opinion of the folks at the Tempest annotations site that Flash Avenger was made up entirely by Moore, even if he was then married to authentic Golden-Ager Gail Garrity. Looking back through the "retold" origins that are sprinkled through the Seven Stars chapters, the Flash Avenger's origin is the most humorous and satirical. The Moore-provided references simply don't pan out, and it seems as though the folks at the International Catalogue of Superheroes site just jumped the gun.

That annotations site, by the way, is https://panelwiseblog.wordpress.com/annotations-index - it is very helpful!

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Steverino

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2019, 05:39:02 AM »

Hello, again! I am slightly embarrassed to report this, but after posting the above I checked the LOEG Reddit page and the LOEG Tempest Annotations page - and voila! The Flash Avenger is really a real Golden Age hero, really! I am surprised and happy to find my suppositions turned upside-down.

Here's the link:

https://panelwiseblog.wordpress.com/annotations-index/loeg-the-tempest-3-annotations/#comment-154

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paw broon

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2019, 04:29:17 PM »

Thanks for the info. on Flash Avenger - another superhero to add to my files ;D
Re. the mention of the flying suit on the Tempest annotations site, is the suit not more likely to be based on, or refer to, the Falcon's glider suit, from Radio Fun.  Given that pairs knowledge of old British comics and heroes, it seems more than possible.
Befuddled Mike's note about Jack and Jill and Playhour do indeed refer to the text strips which were widely used in British comics.  There is also a variation where there is a text box as well as word balloons.
Bear in mind that there is another hero with a (sort of) Saturn chest emblem, Planet Man, published by Frew in Australia. A bit unlikely but worth bearing in mind.
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=64749
As for Quatermass, I haven't watched it for a while but I think there were samples left in the lab after the main body escaped.  A good excuse to watch both versions again.  Also there is another "Mass" from "X The Unknown".
Coincidentally, Wilfred Bramble is the tramp in the tv version of Quatermass ll.
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The Australian Panther

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Re: LOEG - original Seven Stars appearances
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2019, 07:27:20 AM »

I think the original Marvel Captain Marvel [The green costumed Kree guy, Mar-vell], had a saturn symbol on his chest.
Correct me if I'm wrong!
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paw broon

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2019, 07:56:05 AM »

You're bang on.  Although, as Marvell is from outside our galaxy, magellanic cloud? Can't remember, that chest emblem wouldn't be Saturn but some other ringed planet.  I could be talking rubbish here.
The Marvel Marvell was never a great favourite of mine and that original costume is  a bit naff.  I think Gene Colan thought the same.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2019, 08:44:52 AM »

Sorry, Can't resist it! The lightbulb just went on. Not to be sexist, there was also Saturn Girl. Who was also, I think, from outside the solar system. What the connection with Saturn was, I don't know.     
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positronic1

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2019, 01:59:15 PM »

In Saturn Girl's case, her emblem really is the planet Saturn of our solar system. Of course her people don't live on the surface (because... well, there really IS no surface) of Saturn. She's a descendant of Earth colonizers of Saturn's moon Titan. How they developed telepathic powers is less clear, but one can surmise either something in the local environment affected their genes, or the telepathy is a result of genetic engineering.

As for Marvel's Captain Marvel... he's a superhero from another planet, Hala (or Homeworld, seat of the interstellar Kree Empire) whose real name is Mar-Vell (Mar-Vell, Kal-El -- are you getting this?)... and he actually holds the rank (of whatever the equivalent in Kree is) of "Captain" in the Kree Space Expeditionary Force. He's sent to Earth to spy on our space program, but turns traitor to the Kree cause. His powers (in the early days, before he got actual superpowers) are only those attributable to his Kree biology. Later they decided he'd look better (and sell better) with a red and blue costume, so they reversed Superman's colors. And they gave him "nega-band" wrist bracelets so he could smack them together to swap places with Rick Jones... in Roy Thomas's attempt to make him more like the original Captain Marvel. Anyway, once Mar-Vell broke faith with the ruling powers of the Kree Empire, there was no longer any reason for him to wear his "army uniform"...

I always liked his early uniform (and it is indeed the uniform of his Kree service branch), because the world is full of red and blue heroes, and green and white was a unique choice (depending on rank and branch of service, most Kree wear the exact same uniform design, with the color combination indicating their service branch and position)... kind of like the United Federation of Planets in STAR TREK, actually. The mainly white bodysuit, chunky belt and cowl-helmet remind me of another hero whose uniform design I really liked -- Space Ghost. And why does Captain Mar-Vell have the planet Saturn on his chest? That again, is a rank indicator of the uniform, but it's not the planet Saturn. Saturn isn't the only planet with rings. It's not even the only planet that has rings in our solar system... just the only one whose rings are visible from Earth. It's been speculated that it might be a common phenomenon for "gas-giant" planets to have rings.
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paw broon

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2019, 03:33:51 PM »

Nice one as I enjoy astronomy -albeit at a pretty basic level.  And there are more ringed planets than non-ringed planets in our solar system if you accept the now dubious theory that Pluto has faint rings. Jupiter has faint rings.  The daddy of them all is, of course Saturn.   And Uranus and Neptune have ring systems.
This NASA page has fantastic info.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/overview/

Mar-vell??? How can you compare him to the great Space Ghost??? ;) At least you are a fan of SG. ;D
Love Space Ghost and as I wrote, I'm not sure even Gene Colan liked Mar-vell.

Yes, I know you were talking about the uniform.  I'm just taking the mick. ;)
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positronic1

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2019, 09:45:31 PM »


I'm not sure even Gene Colan liked Mar-vell.


That's better than John Buscema. He didn't enjoy working on ANY of the superhero titles he was assigned to for YEARS... A total shock to me when I first discovered it. True! He hated working on Avengers, Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four, Thor -- couldn't wait to get off the books. When he finally got the Conan assignment he wanted to be done with them all. I loved all those former titles... and was completely indifferent to his Conan (it didn't help one bit that he had to follow Barry Smith). Never been a huge Conan fan, or of the barbarian-type fantasy in general (I love Elric though... go figure). When Smith was done with his Conan run, it was pretty well "me too" as far as I was concerned.

It's interesting that you mentioned that, because it does raise the question of just who did design that first CM costume, then? Seems unlikely to be John Romita's work, although as art director, he was usually the 'designated hitter' for new character designs... although that one was in 1967, before he took on the job, I think. Pretty sure the second CM costume (red & blue with half-mask) was designed by Gil Kane.

Wait a sec, now... trying to remember, did Kree soldiers appear anywhere before Captain Marvel in the pages of FF...?  That would make Kirby the costume designer, which makes some kind of sense. Kree soldiers are just another kind of alien empire stormtroopers. It could have been worse... Mar-Vell could have had a beekeeper suit!

Seriously though... I have an action figure of that costume~  :P
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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2019, 01:40:46 AM »

Re John Buscema, not surprised at all. Looking at Silver Age work here on CB+, my thesis is that many of the established artists found themselves limited by the narrowing of subject matter in the silver age where you generally had to do Superheroes or nothing at all. Gene Colan was happier drawing Dracula. Don Heck, whose work in the 50's is generally light years better than his Marvel or DC work, also didn't enjoy it. Sam Glantzman and Joe Kubert never drew Superheroes. I could go on. Some, Like Alex Toth went into advertising or TV design work. What does Gil Kane do when he has some say in his work? 'his name is Savage' 'Black Mask' and 'Star Hawks'. And how many went over to Warren?  ::)
I am a fan of Smith's work too, but apparently Marvel wasn't. His Conan wasn't considered Barbarian enough, which is why John B got the book.Story I heard. :(
Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Kree first turn up in FF #64 and #65, which introduced Ronan the Accuser. This storyline tied the Kree to the origin of the Inhumans.
Space Ghost. I have a saved episode of 'Space Ghost coast to coast' which I haven't looked at yet.
Alex Toth is my main man.
I Liked the DC miniseries drawn by Ariel Olivetti. And Steve Rude draws an excellent Space Ghost8)     
 
 
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positronic1

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2019, 04:16:56 AM »


Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Kree first turn up in FF #64 and #65, which introduced Ronan the Accuser. This storyline tied the Kree to the origin of the Inhumans.


No, that's right. The Captain Marvel storyline in Marvel Super-Heroes #12-13 picks up the plot threads of that directly, with Mar-Vell trying to recover Kree Sentry 459. I can't recall, without looking at FF 64-65, whether any Kree soldiers appeared in those issues, or whether it was just Sentry 459 and Ronan.

I'm almost certain you can blame Stan Goldberg for the choice of white & green as Mar-Vell's color scheme. Unless he was given some specific directive by Stan Lee, Goldberg was responsible for all the coloring choices, as head of the color department. He colored all the covers and most of the interiors, as well. He was a salaried employee, and only drew Millie the Model as a freelancer to make extra dough. Both Sol Brodsky and John Verpoorten were certainly capable of doing some coloring if there were a deadline crunch, and I'm not sure if Marie Severin was helping out with coloring yet in 1967. In all likelihood, it seems like Stan G. was capable of handling the entire line of titles up to that point by himself. In 1968, Marvel was sold to Cadence Industries, and got a new distributor, freeing themselves from the cap on the number of titles they could publish while they had been distributed by DC, and started expanding rapidly. Archie Comics was expanding too, with The Archie Show on TV, and Stan G. started freelancing for them, while still drawing Millie (converted back to its original humor format), and later Chili, for Marvel. DC got back into teen humor titles also, and Stan G. was freelancing for them too, all the while continuing to work his day job in Marvel's coloring department. Busy guy! Anyway, the cover of Marvel Super-Heroes #12 would have been colored first (by Stan), and that's when the choice would have been made. It does seem at least likely that Kree soldiers might have appeared in FF 65, but as their roles would have been just those of "extras", it's hard for me to say for sure without actually referring to the story for confirmation.

I can't remember if I mentioned this somewhere before, but Alex Toth spent some months downunder working with an animated unit (sorry, don't recall the name of the outfit) that H-B subcontracted some work to in the 1970s when they got super-busy... To the best of my recollection, what they were producing was a series of one-hour adaptations of classic literary stories for TV syndication. Toth was sent to oversee the set-up, doing his usual design work and making sure the animators stayed 'on-model', along with (I think) a small group of H-B personnel, a director and a couple of key animators. Of course, Alex Toth had nothing at all to do with SGC2C -- that was produced specifically for Cartoon Network (and is considered their first actual originally-produced series) by Mike Lazzo, after Ted Turner had acquired both the cable network and H-B. Comic writer/artist Evan Dorkin and his partner Sarah Dyer wrote a lot of the scripts for the series, though, and naturally the original character designs used were Toth's model sheets. Short clips of Space Ghost, Zorak, Brak and Moltar from the original series were recycled over new backgrounds, peppered throughout to keep animation costs down, but much of the animation needed to be done from scratch. As per the usual limited-animation methods, those sequences were also regularly recycled to limit spending whenever possible. Obviously the scripts and voice actors were what was carrying the show, not the animation. It was successful enough to run 11 seasons and inspire two spin-offs, Cartoon Planet and The Brak Show.

Steve Rude is probably the most under-rated (or at least under-appreciated, based on sales in the current marketplace) living artist working in comics. I'd love to see him draw a Space Ghost / Nexus crossover, but alas... it's only a pipe dream. Space Ghost / Batman '66? That would seem more feasible, but again, it seems merchandising of Batman '66 peaked with Archie Meets Batman '66 (which I knew about 2 years before it happened, having heard about it directly from artist Dan Parent), which may have been the final Batman '66 comic project. Doesn't seem to be anything more on the horizon for DC's revival of the H-B Super-Adventure heroes (Rude worked on a couple of those stories), either. This week's DC comics had a big back cover ad for Warner Home Video's BR release of Jonny Quest. Where's the comic to tie-in, DC?
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