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Re: Jefes Pieles Rojas Español

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Robb_K

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Re: Jefes Pieles Rojas Español
« on: August 28, 2021, 09:00:03 PM »

It's kind of a negative calling card for an editor-in-chief to allow the cover art on a magazine to flaunt the ignorance of his staff of book editors, story writers, and researchers by having a book about an Apache chieftan wear a full war bonnet of eagle feathers, when only tribes of The USA's Great Plains wore such headgear. The Apaches lived in the deserts of Arizona and western and southern New Mexico, as well as the Mexican state of Sonora, and whose warriors rarely wore feathers on their heads, and when they did, it was usually only one. I and all my friends knew this at age 7, and we were neither US citizens nor residents. How did an editor of a Mexican book about Native Americans (whose job it is to know, and who probably sat through endless Mexican history courses, in several years of public school, not know that?

Or was this book from a publisher in Spain, or a different Latin American country, other than Mexico?
I understand that most US Western genre publishers also made this same mistake after attending 12 years of US public school, and should have known better. But, it just shows the laxity in professionalism, and low budgets and profit margins in the comic book industry.

Link to the book: Jefes Pieles Rojas Español
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movielover

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Re: Jefes Pieles Rojas Espa?ol
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2021, 09:35:47 PM »

Looking up, it shows Madrid, Spain as the place of publication

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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2021, 11:40:00 PM »

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It's kind of a negative calling card for an editor-in-chief to allow the cover art on a magazine to flaunt the ignorance of his staff of book editors, story writers, and researchers by having a book about an Apache chieftain wear a full war bonnet of eagle feathers, when only tribes of The USA's Great Plains wore such headgear. 

I doubt they cared about authenticity. US TV movies, Television in the 50's, book covers and comics regularly had Indians wear full war bonnets of feathers to signify chiefs and single feathers to signify 'braves'. This is a form of visual shorthand, if you will. And that's all that matters.,
So you use the same kinds of visual shorthand for peoples of other non-western cultures. So all [subcontinent] Indians or Arabs wear Turbans, Arabs always have camels, and so on. I'm an Australian, so I will leave it up to your imagination how realistic our visual and verbal depictions are. And Paw could probably tell you about Carber-throwing, Haggis eating,Bagpipe-playing Scots. And speaking of Mexico, Carl Barks in ' Volcano Valley depicted Mexicans as Sombrero- wearing lazy guys who were permanently asleep in 'Siesta'.time.

Cheers!               
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crashryan

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2021, 11:42:08 PM »

In fact, Robb, if my own experience is typical, 12 years of US public school didn't teach us a damn thing about Native Americans, least of all details of the differences in culture and costume between various tribes. What we knew about "Indians" came primarily from TV westerns and reruns of old western movies. In the regions where I attended elementary school (California, Alabama, Washington) Native Americans were mostly ignored except as supporting characters (usually antagonists) in stories about the conquest of the West. We'd heard of the Apaches and the Navajos, and occasionally someone would mention the Iroquois or the Cheyenne. To most of us, though, Indians comprised a vague, monolithic group whose role in history was primarily to demarcate episodes in the European experience. Which headdress was appropriate to a scene and who did and didn't wear feathers was esoteric knowledge. I'm sure some kids were history buffs enough to research such things, but they'd have had to do it on their own time outside school. I didn't know anyone like that personally.

Looking back it amazes me how ignorant we kids were of Native American history. Even African Americans got more "screen time" in history classes, though of course what we learned was--especially in the South--a very sanitized version of the facts. For the most part Native American history and culture were relegated to footnotes and a paragraph or two.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2021, 09:15:52 AM »

A major source of confusion when it came to Indian apparel was the state of photography of the day.
Few professional photographers were very much interested in realism, they wanted photos that would sell. When they got a opportunity to do a portrait of a subject of interest they used props and dressed up the subject to suit the common conception of the masses. They did this when the subject was white as often as when red.

Buffalo Bill's wild west shows didn't help matters either.

Only a few dedicated professionals to whom profit was not a driving motivation portrayed their subjects as they were in reality.

As for American schooling I don't remember much of anything being taught about the American Indian other that the various battles and a few massacres.

I doubt most German school children were ever taught much about the clothing of pre medieval Germanic tribes for that matter, much less the Magyar or other contemporary peoples.

Until recent years little attempt was made to portray White American cowboys, settlers, soldiers, etc, in a realistic manner. The "Buscadero" gunbelt for example, which did not exist until the old west as already tamed, yet it showed up in almost every western film of the 50's 60's and 70's even in films set in the 1860's.
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paw broon

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2021, 12:27:53 PM »

The comic is a Spanish publication from 1958 drawn by Luis Ramos Santos.  Publisher is listed as Gestion?
Ramos drew some Davy Crockett strips which were published in various titles in various countries.

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