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JVJ

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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2009, 12:17:03 AM »


Ok, this is off topic, not like this topic belongs under "Help and Support > Suggestions" to begin with, but if I don't get this out of my head I'm sure it will explode.

Frank Z. Temerson and I. W. Ullman start Ultem by buying Chesler's first company in 1936 and later selling it to Centaur in 1938 before moving on to start Holyoke in 1940. In 1942 Holyoke acquires Blue Beetle from Fox giving an editorial office of "52 Vanderbilt Avenue, New York City" in Blue Beetle's indicia.  Here is where this gets interesting: Calling All Girls (Parents' Magazine) for March 1944 and August 1944 give an editorial office of "52 Vanderbilt Ave., New York 17, N.Y." and an executive editor/editor named "Frances Ullmann" (two Ns).

So are the Parents' Magazine titles part of Holyoke?? Argggg!!!



I'm certain that I warned everyone that going down this path was likely to lead to exploded heads, archiver.  There's simply no way you can turn around and forget about what you've learned.

The ONLY part of your "discovery" that I'd caution you about is the assumption that a "shared" address indicates shared ownership. Editorial chores may have been farmed out temporarily during the war (or any time, for that matter) and an editor is not necessarily an owner.

And THANKS for another piece of the puzzle. Keep your headband tight.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2009, 03:15:40 PM »

Here is another re-used "editorial" address:

Cyclone Comics #1, Bilbara Publishing Co., Inc. (June 1940)
122 E. 42nd Street, New York City, N.Y.

Full Of Fun #1, Decker Publications, Inc. (Aug 1957)
122 East 42nd St., New York 17, N.Y.

Bilbara is often given as part of the Holyoke group, but perhaps it is not. I haven't found anything that can really link Cyclone Comics or Bilbara to Temerson+Ullman. Could it be that Cyclone/Bilbara were actually Farrell entities (based on the claim that Red Top was Farrell)?

I would love to know if there were any other publications/magazines other than comics being turned out from some of these addresses.


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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2009, 12:16:29 AM »


Here is another re-used "editorial" address:

Cyclone Comics #1, Bilbara Publishing Co., Inc. (June 1940)
122 E. 42nd Street, New York City, N.Y.

Full Of Fun #1, Decker Publications, Inc. (Aug 1957)
122 East 42nd St., New York 17, N.Y.

Bilbara is often given as part of the Holyoke group, but perhaps it is not. I haven't found anything that can really link Cyclone Comics or Bilbara to Temerson+Ullman. Could it be that Cyclone/Bilbara were actually Farrell entities (based on the claim that Red Top was Farrell)?

I would love to know if there were any other publications/magazines other than comics being turned out from some of these addresses.


Street and Smith used 122 E. 42nd St. NY 17 NY from 6/44 to 7/48 per my notes, archiver.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2009, 12:29:05 AM »



What happened at the address BETWEEN Cima and Story - it was three or four YEARS at least?


I haven't found anything BETWEEN Cima and Story, but I found something BEFORE Cima.

In 1940, the first Hillman comics, Miracle Comics and Rocket Comics, were being published by "Hillman-Curi, Inc." with Editorial and Executive offices located at: 11 East 44th Street, New York City!

After 1940 "Curi" disappears and the offices move to 1476 Broadway, New York City (and eventually to 535 Fifth Ave.).


I pulled some old research notes I made long ago, archiver,
and here's a list of companies and dates for 11 East 44th St.

1. Master Comics Inc - 7/51 - 10/54
2. Premier Comics Inc - 3/54 - 9/55
3. Story Comics/Wm. K. Friedman 4/52 - 3/55

Info is from ownership statements.

Any other addresses I might help with. I have a 1" high stack of note cards with this kind of info on them.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2009, 05:46:51 AM »

Hi guys,
Someone on a Yahoo group referenced this thread while talking about Printers.

A link that Jim and Archiver should enjoy but I can't confirm it's accuracy -
BIP Comics Publisher Insignia and Indicia Data

-Yoc
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John C

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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2009, 05:33:04 PM »

In looking through the indicia (indicias? indiciae? whatever), there comes a point where...well, I like to think that they shuffled around to mess with us future folks trying to nail things down.  That's the most straightforward possibility.

Actually, the reality is more likely that most of the publishers were on friendly terms, few of them were really making ends meet, and fewer of them had any real thoughts of protecting copyrights.  Under those circumstances, I can easily see the publishers being a freeform miasmic soup.

That's not to say that the indicia information shouldn't be organized.  There's a lot of useful information there that doesn't turn up otherwise.
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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #81 on: February 15, 2009, 03:42:48 AM »

Hi Gang,
Mike Feldmen and Frank Motler have an interesting exchange on the matter of addresses in the indicia of a comic:
From the following Yahoo group:
http://tinyurl.com/cgj7mw

Frank Motler wrote:
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So here you have two companies (my view) operating over several
years each having mail delivered elsewhere (on your say so) as they
were in hoc to printer (over these several years).
Yet comics were a profitable sideline for ancillary concerns (if
not actual publisher).
Why isn't this common knowledge if as you sign off "it's no big
mystery."
Have you done any reaseach to effect that Holyoke were never in
these addresses or is it just part of your romanticized view.
Yes, Delaware was used as an address, severally. However this was
for porn mags of 1920s & 1930s, for porn mags. Armer & Donenfeld,
Shade Publishing all used the enlightened locale. It came back into
use in 1970s, same product.
However, Holyoke were kiddie comics, operating out of a quoted New
York. I see no connection at all. Other than spurious.
When you write, i picture hoods in pin stripe suits, flappers, cars
w/ running boards, illegal drinking dives, bootlegging, tommy guns
being fired on the move.


I dunno Frank.  None of this is really that conspiratorial,or
criminal.  I base much of what I say on what people who were there
have said.  A few in direct answers to my direct questions.

There were bonafide comic publishing companies that had offices at
their given addresses, staff, receptionists, editors, production
people, etc.

But there were also many what we call today 'virtual' companies.  No
real operating location, just one or more individuals putting it all
together to bring some product to market.

One or more investors could line up material from a packager, cut a
deal between a printer and a paper broker with a contract from a
distributor.  Distributor pays a 25% advance of estimated sales, and
takes care of the printing and paper.  Whatever is netted after all
the bills and fees are paid, is profit distributed among the investors.

Commonly the distributor or printer acted directly as a publisher.

Avoidance of tax, possible creditors, etc. by using deflected
addresses and corporate entities is endemic to the pulp and comic
publishing world of the 20s onward. It may have been evasive but in
most cases it was legal.

Even fairly legitimate Martin Goodman had 50 or more corporate
entities for the express purpose of keeping each below a higher
taxation level thresholds.

Someone like Bowles didn't want his name attached to comic books,
trashy pulps, girlie mags, and whatever else he bankrolled and
printed.  So we see a variety of ploys using names of staffers, dummy
companies, mail drops, subsidiary printing facilities, etc.

If one were to check out other types of businesses, past and present,
they'd often find a maze of seemingly separate but in actuality
interconnected operations with overlapping ownerships.

We see it when backtracking all those comic books produced 60-70 years
ago, and are confounded by it all.

-Mike Feldman
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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2009, 07:35:45 PM »

Here's a bit more information I've gleaned concerning Blazing and Blue Circle.

Roly Poly #6 and or #15 (like Liberty published by Green) had contents that could have been intended for an issue of Blue Circle: 
The Blue Circle
Gail Porter Girl Photographer
Toreador
Maureen Marine
Driftwood Davey
Steel Fist
Slaphappy Grandpappy

The scans I have show a front cover with a #15 and an indicia on the ifc saying v2 n6.  Overstreet says issues 1 6 10 11 12 14 15 were published, and that The Blue Circle and Steel Fist were in #6 and #15, but I'm guessing maybe this is incorrect and that 15 and 6 are really the same issue.

Similarly the copy of Liberty #14 that Jim reported on is also numbered v2 n5 on the ifc so the reported appearance of The Prankster in #5 may well just be repeat of the same comic.








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Yoc

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Re: Rural Home
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2009, 01:50:15 AM »

Interesting!
Thanks for adding this info Jon.
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