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Andrew999

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Flash Gordon
« on: April 01, 2020, 06:01:48 PM »

I see the original Alex Raymond artwork for Flash Gordon strip 1 (1934) has sold at auction for
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Andrew999

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Re: Flash Gordon
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2020, 07:09:13 AM »

Just read that a digital restoration of the 1980s movie is being released to UK cinemas at the end of July - presumably that will be true elsewhere too.

That's a definite must-see for me - if only for Brian Blessed's indomitable performance. Oddly, my wife didn't like the movie - but then she's only five-foot-one and we often don't see eye-to-eye.
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Andrew999

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2020, 05:03:01 AM »

The 4K Blu-Ray presentation pack looks good quality if a little pricey at
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Andrew999

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2020, 02:54:21 PM »

According to Brian Blessed, the ebullient actor (and Crufts dog show competitor) who played Vultan, Flash Gordon is the Queen's favourite movie and she watches it every Christmas. Good to know the Queen is a Golden Age fan.

Do we think he might be exaggerating just a bit - not that it matters.
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Re: Flash Gordon
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2020, 07:31:27 AM »

Today we celebrate the 111th birthday of Alex Raymond - I still rate Flash Gordon as my ultimate hero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Raymond

His work is out of copyright in Canada (China and some other places) but I'm not aware of any Canadian websites that have made his work available for download - does anyone else know?

It doesn't matter a great deal as his work will become available everywhere from Jan 1st, 2027.
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Re: Flash Gordon
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2020, 10:06:58 AM »

Considering that King features Syndicate [Hearst] owns the copyright I wouldn't hold my breath.

Have a look here to see what other copyrights they hold. 

https://www.hearst.com/entertainment-syndication/king-features

Personally I'm just as keen to see the Flash Gordon I grew up with, which I later learned was by Mac Raboy. Dan Barry did it for a while too.   The current artist is embarrassing.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2020, 10:14:29 PM »

Some years back, I read an opinion online that while "FLASH GORDON" had the best artwork of all the classic adventure newspaper strips, it also had the WORST writing.

Last year I re-read the entire 9-year-long "Mongo" sequence from the 1930s by Alex Raymond.  That opinion I read... WAS CORRECT.

Shockingly... all 3 1930s Universal "FLASH GORDON" movie serials had BETTER writing, both for the plots and even more for the main characters.  EVEN the misbegotten "...TRIP TO MARS"!!

Like the 12 Universal Basil Rathbone "SHERLOCK HOLMES" films, Universal's "FG" has fallen into Public Domain... but, there is (I've been informed) one particular DVD box set with the BEST-AVAILABLE prints... so that's what I'm hoping to get my hands on, one of these days, before I watch them again (which I did, just last year).

Funny thing about the MCI-Video "SHERLOCK HOLMES" box set.  I believe it was "...VOICE OF DOOM", the start and end of the film were fine... but the middle, the sound and picture were out-of-synch by almost a second.  Considering the years-long restoration job they did on those 12 films, HOW on Earth did something like that happen?  (I wonder if I shouldn't try to get in touch with MCI about it... heh heh.)
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Re: Flash Gordon
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2020, 03:12:50 AM »

I must concur with prof H. Don Moore's writing on Flash Gordon was dreadful. Reading the strip for very long would leave anyone tearing his hair over what a jealous airhead Dale is. (Not that Flash is a whole lot sharper.) Moore had one thin plot which he repeated endlessly. His embarrassing dialogue was matched by his silly names for creatures and s-f gadgets. It was Raymond's artwork that won the strip its glory. It wasn't until the Mac Raboy era, when Moore was replaced by other writers, that Flash Gordon became readable. And some of those Raboy-era stories were pretty good.
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Re: Flash Gordon
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2020, 05:37:42 AM »

Prof,

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there is (I've been informed) one particular DVD box set with the BEST-AVAILABLE prints... so that's what I'm hoping to get my hands on, one of these days, before I watch them again 


I have this box set, it was by Umbrella Entertainment for this region. Licensed from CBS.

https://www.umbrellaent.com.au/

[Trust me, you will get lost in their catalogue]

Where you would get a copy for a different region or an unlocked copy, I don't know. There are 14 Holmes movies in the set.  If you have an all-regions player, you are all set.   
Quote, ' Roy William Neill was the Director and the creative genius behind all but 3 of these films.
Here is an interesting article on the visual depiction of Sherlock Holmes, particularly re the 'Deerstalker' hat. This highly popular series of movies did much to cement that image in the minds eye.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/the-deerstalker-where-sherlock-holmes-popular-image-came-from-7325976/   

Cheers!
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2020, 09:58:50 PM »

Thanks for the comments, guys!

The first time around (in the mid-70s), it was Dale who got on my nerves.  This time, it was... everything!  Which I take as an indication that my sensibilites as a writer have grown a lot over the years.

Seriously, was there ever a guy who was more loyal, who risked his life more times to save a girl and prove how much he loved her and only her, yet every single time any woman even looked at him, she kept getting insanely jealous?  WTF!!!  By comparison, the only time Dale got jealous in the 3 serials was in "UNIVERSE", when Dale was played by Carol Hughes.  The first time, it was when Queen Fria of Frigia kept calling him "FLESH Gordon" (that's how she said it with her accent!!-- my Dad ever after called him "Flesh" in imitation of Fria) and was praising him in front of Dale (like she wasn't even there) and kept wanting to go alng WITHY Flash on a dangerous mission, and he had to brush her off politely by stressing how important her safety was to her people.  Later, the treacherous Sonja was flirting with Flash from behind her prison bars, suggesting he should rule Arboria, not Barin, and offering to help him overthrow Barin.  He just laughed in her face, then told a guard, "Be careful of her, she'll try to trick you.  "Thank you sir, she already tried."  Later, when Sonja & Torch escaped, Dale attacked Sonya and got into a major cat-fight with her.  In both cases, Flash REFUSED to be drawn into Dale's jealousy B.S.  Is it any wonder Crabbe is my favorite FG?

One of the MOST ANNOYING plots in the strip was when Flash, Dale & Zarkov made it to Arboria-- which was high in branches of insanely-gigantic trees.  A servant tried to steal from Aura, but was caught by Flash.  He begged for sympathy, saying he only did it to help his starving family.  Flash let him go.  Anyone else would have befriended Flash at that moment and been loyal to him after.  NOT THIS A-HOLE.  He was so convinced Flash would turn him in, he tried to MURDER Flash.  This sequence went on for WEEKS, before the guy just barely managed to escape Arboria with his life, before running into Ming's desert troops.  Next thing, he's telling Ming Flash is still alive, in Arboria, which causes unending trouble for Barin.  S*** like this just kept going on and on and on.  I think after MONTHS, the guy finally went too far and was either tossed into prison or executed by Ming's men for sheer incompetence, after he'd been promoted to an officer in Ming's ranks.  All that, because Flash showed a moment of MERCY? 

After awhile, I wanted to KILL the WRITER.

The Frigia sequence was as bad or worse.  Unlike the movie, Flash, Dale & Zarkov went there to flee Arboria so Barin & Aura would be safe.  They used it as an excuse to go exploring.  But while there, EVERY SINGLE noble of Frigia became jealus of Flash, terrified their Queen Fria would want to MARRY him (something he had zero interest in), and so kept trying to KILL him.  I mean, really... WTF!!!

Much earlier, there's a long stretch, could have been several months, where Zarkov vanished and was believed dead.  Turned up among Barin's people (when he was in charge of a group of rebel freedom-fighters), and had amnesia.  Zarkov was treated so much better in the movies. Comparing Zarkov to Dr. Huer from the 1939 BR film, I have to figure Zarkovc is the more brilliant of the two... simply on the basis that Huer had 25th Century tech, but Zarkov was performing his miracles in the 1930s.
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Re: Flash Gordon
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2020, 10:00:34 PM »

It's gonna be quite a long while yet before I go after the FLASH GORDON DVD box set.  I've got too many other things on my agenda right now... adventure shows from the 60s, several sitcoms, horror & comedy movies...

This week I'm expecting to get my hands on the Darren McGavin "MIKE HAMMER" series.  79 episodes in one go!!
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2020, 10:48:51 PM »

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Seriously, was there ever a guy who was more loyal, who risked his life more times to save a girl and prove how much he loved her and only her, yet every single time any woman even looked at him, she kept getting insanely jealous?


Prof, Are you married or do you have a significant female other? Assessing other women as potential competitors is a normal reaction. With my ex, If I paid attention to any female between 8 and 80, I was immediately under suspicion. That trope is a commonplace in all the romance comics and books. For good reason.
I would think the writer was deliberately [and cynically?] using that plot device to increase [Or create?] the female readership of the strip.
Then again, there are a couple of books here on CB+ [WW2 period] which use the premise of two enlisted men who are 'frenemies' and who spend the narrative competing for attractive women.
Strips are designed to grab your attention once every 24 hours and keep you coming back. You need some degree of suspense in every days strip and emotional involvement is one way to keep your audience. Days of our lives anyone? That's why rescuing somebody [yes, usually the Heroine] is also a persistent trope.   
They weren't really designed to be read at one sitting in a collection. When you read them the way we do now, you are immediately aware of the degree of repetition and the shallowness of some of the narrative devices.
You take the good with the bad. I just like looking at Alex Raymond's work and created environments.
https://www.pinterest.com.au/wilpagan1/alex-raymond-art/
Grey Morrow also did Flash for a while.As did Austin Briggs and Al Williamson. Al also did a comic book adaption of the movie [which he hated - as do I] The property attracts good artists.

Of Jim Keefe, the current artist, I will control myself and say as little as possible.
I have a friend who has done comic work for DC and has won awards for his work in Australia, who would kill to draw Flash Gordon - and has the chops to do it Justice.

Cheers!               
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2020, 10:46:00 PM »

I used to get the PHILADELPHIA BULLETIN 7 days a week around 1980 when they had both Gray Morrow on "BUCK ROGERS" and Thomas Warkentin on "STAR TREK".  I never finished putting them into scrap books!

Maddeningly, the paper dropped "BUCK ROGERS", and when I wrote to complain, the editor wrote back listing 3 different reasons why he did it.  He said "We think STAR TREK was better", and, "BUCK ROGERS was in poor taste".  I took the latter to mean, he was Puritanical and objected to women in skimpy outfits.  (I forget what the 3rd reason was.)  Sadly, soon after, Warkentin left "STAR TREK", his replacement was terrible, and 6 months later, he was replaced by someone even worse, and soon after, the strip vanished.  I never found out if the paper dropped it, or the syndicate.

Having read several stretches of the original "BUCK ROGERS" newspaper strips, I'm of the opinion that Gray Morrow was the single best artist they ever had.  I understand there is a collection, I've been meaning to check it out.  I know he also did a number of stories in a variety of magazines after that.

I've seen Morrow do a "FLASH GORDON" pin-up, but have never seen him on the series itself. Was that in the papers, or somewhere else?


I read that Muphy Anderson did "BUCK ROGERS" for awhile in the 50s.  I've never seen those!  Would love to.  The books I have mostly reprited the early, crude stuff that looked like it stepped out of thr 19th Century... and, some work by George Tuska in the late 60s just before the strip was cancelled.  It was some of the best work from Tuska I'd ever seen.  Most of his work for Marvel was a major step down.  Not sure how he compared with Anderson, but he was WAYYYY better than the original guy in the 30s.

Funny thing-- early on, Ardala looked kinda ugly, like she came from the rough side of town.  But Tuska's Ardala was a DEAD RINGER for Pamela Hensley... 10 years before she was cast in the part! Which makes me think somebody on that show had see Tuska's strips.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2020, 03:05:14 AM »

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I've seen Morrow do a "FLASH GORDON" pin-up, but have never seen him on the series itself. Was that in the papers, or somewhere else?

Note.
https://flashgordon.fandom.com/wiki/Gray_Morrow
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Gray Morrow worked on the Template:Comic comic strip with Ralph Reese and Bruce Jones from 1990 to 1991

That's a maximum of only one year and all three of those guys are excellent artists. Be nice to see a collection of that run.
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I read that Murphy Anderson did "BUCK ROGERS" for awhile in the 50s.  I've never seen those!  Would love to.

I have and they are very nice as you would expect. Watch  this space.
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Most of (George Tuska's) work for Marvel was a major step down.

Agreed. Looking at the 40's and 50's work on CB+ I am now convinced that a number of artists produced much better work then and actually hated the 'Silver Age' when they were fated to draw Superheroes and nothing much but Superheroes.
I would count Sekowsky, and Don Heck among those. And I hear that John Buscema has expressed that he really didn't enjoy the work he did for Marvel.

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2020, 10:58:35 AM »

In 2014 they printed two books Buck Rogers in the 25th Century: The Complete Murphy Anderson Dailies: 1947-1949 and 1958-1959 and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century: The Complete Murphy Anderson Sundays (1958-1959) they're out of print, but maybe you could find copies for sale somewhere.
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2020, 11:49:21 AM »

In the coming week, I will get the Flash Gordon Serials from 1936-1940 from a friend and I am really looking forward to this wonderfully old-fashioned S.F. Entertainment.  :)

The DVD's contain the original English soundtrack and a German synchronization, but I'll try the English soundtrack first.  8)

These serials were shown very late on German TV. (1981-89)
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2020, 02:46:58 PM »

Some years back I got a really CHEAP DVD box set of 4 different serials, including "...CONQUERS THE UNIVERSE".  I enjoyed the other 3, but not the FG one.  Why?  HORRIBLE QUALITY.  The picutre and sound quality on my home-recorded videotapes taped off a PBS TV station were better.  But, worse!  Every chapter was CUT for commercial time.

The next time I watched "UNIVERSE", I dug out my PBS tapes.

So, yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to getting the "good" FG box set.  (Not just right now, though.)

There are certain things in my 40-year tape collection that I look at now and think, "The NEXT time I feel like watching this... I wanna upgrade to DVD first."

Provided they're good ones.

As for out of print... well, that's never stopped me.

I just got the 1958 "MIKE HAMMER" box set, with Darren McGavin, in (ahem) "very good" condition.  Seems to be.  But I did make a point of washing the first disc off today with soap & warm water, to get fingerprints off it first.   ;)
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2020, 04:26:15 PM »

Despite watching the serials way back, I've never been a big Flash Gordon strip fan.  Even though the art was done by some big names, I always preferred Raboy on Cap Jr., and especially, all time favourite, Alex Raymond Rip Kirby.  I just don't think you can beat it. Years ago you couldn't get English H/B collections of Rip Kirby here but in Spain there were a series of volumes, landscape, which is the way newspaper strips should be reprinted, and I bought them.  Now, of course, there are English versions of those books but at the time they were perfect for me. 
Getting a wee bit off-topic, my top 'tecs are and have been for decades, Holmes; Rip Kirby; Buck Ryan; Blake and Dixon Hawke
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Andrew999

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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2020, 09:16:46 AM »

New Flash Gordon comic strip from King:

https://www.comicskingdom.com/flash-forward

What do we think?
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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2020, 10:43:43 AM »

This might be called 'Flash Forward' for some reason, but it is the same old Flash Gordon, and the Art is still B- as it has been for quite a while now. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2020, 04:13:18 PM »


This might be called 'Flash Forward' for some reason, but it is the same old Flash Gordon, and the Art is still B- as it has been for quite a while now.


I'd give it a solid B. The Art is adequate, which is unusual in itself, and with a retro vibe suited to the material.
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2020, 09:00:59 PM »

RIP KIRBY, that's the strip I couldn't remember!

The last week, I've been watching a really fun serial based on SECRET AGENT X-9, which Alex Raymond was apparently illustrating at the same time he was doing the early part of his FLASH GORDON run.

I only know 4 of the actors in it.  One of the villains is played by Cy Kendall, a heavy-set actor I've seen in MANY things (THE SAINT, CHARLIE CHAN, THE GREEN HORNET).  A Japanese scientist is played by Charlie Chan's Number 3 son, Benson Fong; meanwhile, a Chinese secret agent is played by Number One son, Keye Luke!  but PHIL CORRIGAN ("X-9") is Lloyd Bridges!

It's a blast...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL6-eC7WnEY

Funny enough, an American scientist who the baddies are trying to find someone to impersonate, is named "Alfred Raymond".  I can't help but think that's an in-joke.
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2020, 09:06:43 PM »

The line-up of talent on this strips' long run is amazing!

    Dashiell Hammett (story) & Alex Raymond (art): Jan 22, 1934 - April 20, 1935
    Don Moore (story) & Alex Raymond (art): April 22 - Sept 21, 1935
    Leslie Charteris (story) & Alex Raymond (art): Sept 23 - Nov 16, 1935
    Leslie Charteris (story) & Charles Flanders (art): Nov 18, 1935 - March 28, 1936
    Robert Storm (story) & Charles Flanders (art): March 30, 1936 - April 9, 1938
    Robert Storm (story) & Nicholas Afonsky (art): April 11 - Nov 5, 1938
    Robert Storm (story) & Austin Briggs (art): Nov 7, 1938 - June 1, 1940
    Robert Storm (story) & Mel Graff (art): June 3, 1940 - 1945
    Mel Graff (story and art): 1945 - March 19, 1960
    Bob Lubbers (story and art): March 21, 1960 - Jan 28, 1967
    Archie Goodwin (story) & Al Williamson (art): Jan 30, 1967 - Feb 2, 1980
    George Evans (story and art): Feb 4, 1980 - Feb 10, 1996[1]

Hammett, of course, also created Nick & Nora Charles, and Sam Spade.

I see Don Moore didn't last long on this...

Leslie Charteris, of course, created THE SAINT.

"Robert Storm" was apparently a King Features house name... nobody seems to be sure who it really was (or how many different writers it may have been).

Goodwin & Williamson did 13 years, then switched over to STAR WARS.

George Evans just blows my mnd every time I see his stuff, including "SPACE CONQUERORS!" in BOY'S LIFE magazine.  (I have all 20 years of "SC" posted at my blog.)
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2020, 09:18:51 PM »

"Looking at the 40's and 50's work on CB+ I am now convinced that a number of artists produced much better work then and actually hated the 'Silver Age' when they were fated to draw Superheroes and nothing much but Superheroes.
I would count Sekowsky, and Don Heck among those. And I hear that John Buscema has expressed that he really didn't enjoy the work he did for Marvel.
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I believe the one time I saw Buscema in person, he shocked the audience by saying he didn't really like superheroes. He much preferred CONAN THE BARBARIAN.

My favorite Don Heck work remains the early run on IRON MAN, where Jack Kirby was supplying the story ideas (UNCREDITED!), Heck was doing the stories and art, and a variety of other writers were filling the word balloons (Al Hartley was the FUNNIEST!).  3 writers on each episode, how about that??  Heck must have been up against varying deadlines, as sometimes his inks were crap, but sometimes, SUPERB (especially on "Hawkeye The Marksman", the last time he inked the series).  I wish they'd have gotten someone of the caliber of Wally Wood to ink the entire run, the ONE episode he did (the finale of the Titanium Man 3-parter) was just incredible to look at.





Looking back on this now... it seems to me the ONLY part of this that is EMBARRASSING is Iron Man's dialogue.  Really.  Tony Stark should NOT be talking like a SMART-ASS, as if he was just a grown-up version of Peter Parker.  Especially NOT when he believed that his best friend in the whole world might have just been KILLED by the bastard he's fighting.


I also thought it was a brilliant move on someone's part to team Heck with Werner Roth on X-MEN.  Heck's storytelling was vastly more exciting, while Roth's people were prettier.  WIN-WIN.  If only they had someone better than Vince Colletta doing those damned inks...

I think his heart went out of it by the early 70s. Too much of his later AVENGERS stuff just doesn't even seem like the same guy.

On the other hand, I LOVED his all-too-short run of STEEL: THE INDESTRUCTIBLE MAN with Joe Giella doing fabulous inks.  I wonder if the World War Two setting may have inspired Heck more than usual?  DAMNED shame that book got cut short after only about 5 issues.  Even lifetime HACK Gerry Conway seemed to do better than usual on there. (It was his creation.)
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2020, 10:05:56 PM »

It occurred to me that the artwork of comic strips is hampered by the quality of the paper its to be printed on. Comic book paper seems just a hair higher quality, though not always.
I remember when I was a youngster news papers were printed on the cheapest grainiest paper they could get.

Doing any very detailed drawings was futile, lines also had to be relatively thick.
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