Topic: Sherlock Holmes (Read 15371 times)

profh0011 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2021, 02:42:37 AM »

I read about this film decades ago, and only just now finally got to see it. It was WONDERFUL!

The Jeremy Brett version was a bit padded out. The Arthur Wontner version was only a small part of a bigger movie. This was as close to PERFECTION as I could imagine.

Thorley Walters made a TERRIFIC Watson. It's downright criminal that "THE DEADLY NECKLACE" had Christoper Lee & Thorley Walters dubbed into English by OTHER actors. There's just no excuse for that sort of thing. Also, I feel when Douglas Wilmer and Walters were briefly in "THE ADVENTURE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES' SMARTER BROTHER", they totally stole that movie. (Since getting the 1965 TV series box set, Wilmer has become one of my TOP favorite Holmes.)

When I first saw "MURDER BY DECREE" in a theatre, Christopher Plummer struck me as one of the most "human" Holmes I'd ever seen. Here, he actually reminds me of 2 other favorites of mine-- Ronald Howard and Ian Richardson, both of whom exhibited great enthusiasm and joy at their work. As I watched Holmes' mind spinning, figuring out the mystery, coercing the rival stable manager, and deciding not to explain anything until after the race, I was laughing half the way.

This may be the best version of this I've seen, and if it hasn't been, someone REALLY ought to do a proper DVD release from a decent source material.

Andrew999 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2021, 05:01:08 AM »

Never seen this - so looking forward to watching it tonight

crashryan · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2021, 07:13:02 AM »

You probably know this already, but cases like this where English-speaking actors in a foreign-language film are dubbed by someone else usually occur because the dubbing rights were bought by a company specializing in dubbing foreign films. The dubbing company has no connection to the original production and has no access to the original actors or the original English voice track (assuming one was even made). The films in which an English-speaking actor speaks his own lines (an Italian Broderick Crawford movie comes to mind) were probably intended from the outset to be released in English and non-English versions, so the original production company handled the English conversion on its own. Since they owned the English track and the rights to use it they didn't have to hire someone else to dub the actor.

Andrew999 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 15, 2021, 09:28:33 AM »

New Russian series - Sherlock: The Russian Chronicles.

Full series of eight now available with English subtitles.

Here's the first episode to get you started:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uns48W1Oe9c

Andrew999 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 26, 2021, 05:17:48 PM »

The Irregulars hits a popular streaming service this weekend. It will be interesting to see what people make of it - looks like an interesting mix of Sherlockiana, steam punk and fantasy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irregulars

The Australian Panther · « **Reply #30 on:** March 27, 2021, 01:00:10 AM »

There have been several attempts to use the Irregulars as a series, since they are connected to Sherlock Holmes and are PD. both in comics and books. What I absolutely hate about this is the sheer mindlessness about

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The Irregulars work for Dr Watson to solve increasingly supernatural crimes

So Vampires and Werewolves, right? How creative.
Absolutely everything now has to have 'the supernatural' in it. Holmes always worked to prove that incidents did not have any supernatural elements in it. Yes, Conan Doyle was interested in Spiritualism and Mediums but that had nothing to do with the way he portrayed the Character of Sherlock, who was all about rationalism.
Exploitation and another contemptible waste of time. There is so much you could do with the Irregulars if you do a realistic story against the backdrop of what was really going on in Victorian England and the British Empire at the time.
Bah Humbug! And although the Irregulars is a PD concept, they will probably now use legal power to lock up the name so nobody else can use it. Although nobody has been able to do that with Sherlock Holmes as yet, so maybe there's hope.
Now, if you search Wikipedia for the Irregulars, you will only get articles on the TV show.Well, of course!
If you want some broader information, you have to know something more about the concept and if you search for Baker Street Irregulars you will find this.
Baker Street Irregulars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Street_Irregulars
Where you will find this.

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Netflix announced in 2018 that they were producing The Irregulars in which Sherlock Holmes is portrayed as a drug addict who takes the credit for cases solved by a group of children.[15]

But of course! Sherlock cannot possibly be portrayed as a positive male role model.
And you will also find this information,

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They are street boys who are employed by Holmes as intelligence agents.

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The original Baker Street Irregulars are fictional characters featured in the Sherlock Holmes stories of Arthur Conan Doyle. The group of street urchins is led by a boy called Wiggins. They run errands and track down information for Holmes. According to Holmes, they are able to "go everywhere and hear everything". Holmes also says that they "are as sharp as needles, too; all they want is organisation."

In the TV series, Wiggins isn't one of the Irregulars, and the team is led by two girls. This is what you get when a TV show is designed by a committee and you must revise everything to fit in with what a TV production company thinks you must do to a property in 2021,
No, I'm not a misogynist, I just detest revisionism.
No cheers!

The Australian Panther · « **Reply #31 on:** March 27, 2021, 01:29:50 AM »

Here is the Baker Street Boys as portrayed by the BBC
The Baker Street Boys : Episode 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh92MrS7GkM

There were 8 episodes all now on Youtube.
There are 4 cases [stories] each a two-parter
The uploader chopped off the beginning credits on the second parts.

Strong Women? They don't come much tougher than Queenie and Rosie.

Cheers!

Andrew999 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 27, 2021, 11:09:26 AM »

Looks good - very high production values - that's my viewing settled for tonight

profh0011 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 27, 2021, 08:44:49 PM »

WEIRD but FUN: Just watched "Sting Of Death", episode 11 of "The Elgin Hour" (2-22-1955), an adaptation of the Gerald Heard novel "A Taste Of Honey". This 45-minute LIVE TV drama starred Boris Karloff as "Mr. Mycroft" (apparently, Sherlock Holmes in retirement!) and also featured Robert Flemyng (who I've seen on THE AVENGERS, THE NEW AVENGERS, and in the Agatha Christie mystery "SPIDER'S WEB" with Penelope Keith). I kept staring at Flemyng's face the whole show, trying for the life of me to remember, "Now WHERE have I seen this guy before?" While I've seen both his AVENGERS episodes multiple times ("You Have Just Been Murdered" and moreso "To Catch A Rat"), it was really the AC film with Penelope Keith where he stood out the most.

The novel this was based on was later adapted as the 1966 film "THE DEADLY BEES" from Amicus, adapted by Robert Bloch & directed by Freddie Francis!

It just occured to me (several days after-the-fact) that the character Flemyng plays, a college professor on holiday, is such a thoroughly-unlikable, antisocial misanthrope, he practically has to be physically DRAGGED into the story by the retired detective character, who eventually is trying to save the professor's LIFE! The only thing they share in common is an apparent love for using excessively-complex language. I'm suddenly reminded-- just a bit-- of Michael Gough's version of "Arthur Holmwood", who could be looked at arguably as the main character of Hammer's 1958 "DRACULA". My brother once said whichever character is changed the most during the course of a story, is the main character. I think that holds true in both cases.

The Australian Panther · « **Reply #34 on:** March 28, 2021, 02:10:07 AM »

Interestingly, in the image you supplied, he bears a certain resemblance to the younger Michael Kitchen of Foyles War and a couple of James Bonds.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0457655/

Robert Flemyng had an interesting career. Was also in an episode of Danger Man among other things.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281866/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

Cheers.

profh0011 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 28, 2021, 03:49:07 AM »

I'm slowly working my way thru a number of adventure shows from the 60s. DANGER MAN is not on my list yet, but is definitely on the agenda. The thing I'm most looking forward to is that my local PBS station annoyed me no end in the 80s when they FAILED utterly to get ahold of the early half-hour episodes. I've only seen 4 of them, the only ones then available to rent on videotape. And I've always been a fan of half-hour adventure shows. They don't wear out their welcome...

Strange but true: of all the TV adventure heroes of the 60s, John Drake was the one whose personality most reminded me of ME in the 80s. On the other hand, the one I most wanted to be like... was Simon Templar.

Andrew999 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 28, 2021, 08:28:56 AM »

Yeah - the first series is particularly good - the stories gallop along and have not aged at all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMVQrIEYlIU&list=PLFR78Uf6Xh3h6p0yarqddRcupV7zFfUSo

I wanted to be like Simon Templar too - but sadly was more like Benny the Ball in Top Cat

Captain Audio · « **Reply #37 on:** March 28, 2021, 05:16:55 PM »

Quote from: profh0011 on March 27, 2021, 08:44:49 PM

WEIRD but FUN: Just watched "Sting Of Death", episode 11 of "The Elgin Hour" (2-22-1955), an adaptation of the Gerald Heard novel "A Taste Of Honey". This 45-minute LIVE TV drama starred Boris Karloff as "Mr. Mycroft" (apparently, Sherlock Holmes in retirement!) and also featured Robert Flemyng (who I've seen on THE AVENGERS, THE NEW AVENGERS, and in the Agatha Christie mystery "SPIDER'S WEB" with Penelope Keith). I kept staring at Flemyng's face the whole show, trying for the life of me to remember, "Now WHERE have I seen this guy before?" While I've seen both his AVENGERS episodes multiple times ("You Have Just Been Murdered" and moreso "To Catch A Rat"), it was really the AC film with Penelope Keith where he stood out the most.

The novel this was based on was later adapted as the 1966 film "THE DEADLY BEES" from Amicus, adapted by Robert Bloch & directed by Freddie Francis!

It just occured to me (several days after-the-fact) that the character Flemyng plays, a college professor on holiday, is such a thoroughly-unlikable, antisocial misanthrope, he practically has to be physically DRAGGED into the story by the retired detective character, who eventually is trying to save the professor's LIFE! The only thing they share in common is an apparent love for using excessively-complex language. I'm suddenly reminded-- just a bit-- of Michael Gough's version of "Arthur Holmwood", who could be looked at arguably as the main character of Hammer's 1958 "DRACULA". My brother once said whichever character is changed the most during the course of a story, is the main character. I think that holds true in both cases.

Just watched Sting of Death, great little yarn, I highly recommend it.

profh0011 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 30, 2021, 04:06:37 AM »

Tonight I watched "THE MAN WHO DISAPPEARED" (1951) which starred John Longden & Campbell Singer. It's a loose adaptation of "The Man With The Twisted Lip", which I have already seen with both Douglas Wilmer and Jeremy Brett (and it's a tough call which one I like better). This one "plays" with the story, changing the structure, leaving out a lot but also adding an entirely different sub-plot to explain the actions of Neville Sinclair.

I thought I'd seen this on Youtube some time ago, but the only bit I thought I recognized tonight was a shot of a warehouse with Tower Bridge in the background. Now I'm not sure, because nothing else about this seemed familiar.

Longden is a bit too harsh-looking and sounding to be my idea of Sherlock Holmes, and I can understand why this TV pilot was unsold.

However, Campbell Singer was an EXCELLENT Watson. I was reminded a bit of Howard Marion Crawford who played Watson in the 1954 TV series 3 years later. But I also recognized his face. Turns out, I'd seen him in 2 episodes of THE AVENGERS, but moreso, he was the 1st of 4 different actors to plays Chief Inspector Claude Eustace Teal opposite Roger Moore on THE SAINT. And in my view, he was by far THE BEST. That's bugged me for a long time now, why they went thru 3 different actors, none of whom stuck around, before they finally got ivor Dean, the one who did stick around, and he was my LEAST-favorite of the four! (He was just plain annoying in the role.)

Captain Audio · « **Reply #39 on:** March 30, 2021, 06:36:40 AM »

Quote from: profh0011 on March 30, 2021, 04:06:37 AM

I thought I'd seen this on Youtube some time ago, but the only bit I thought I recognized tonight was a shot of a warehouse with Tower Bridge in the background. Now I'm not sure, because nothing else about this seemed familiar.

Most likely much of the exterior shots were recycled for a number of episodes.

profh0011 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2021, 02:45:34 PM »

It's amazing how many attempts at a SHERLOCK HOLMES tv series were made in the late 40s & 1950s: Alan Napier, Basil Rathbone, John Longden, Alan Wheatley, Michael Clarke Lawrence. (This beats out Mike Hammer.)

And it took an American producer filming in France to pull it off.

The Ronald Howard - H.Marion Crawford series from 1954-55 wound up being the very first TV series that I upgraded to DVD after already having it on videotape. Even with no one having the best source materials, the DVD box set was still a massive improvement, and I've watched the entire run 3 times already. I think it's a shame that it didn't have a 2nd season!

It took Sheldon Reynolds 25 years to do another HOLMES series, but the ones I've seen were disappointing, compared to his earlier one. And most of the episodes, apparently, were near-exact remakes of the earlier scripts.

Andrew999 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 30, 2021, 05:48:35 PM »

Although I mostly agree, I did rather like the second Sheldon Reynolds series - the Polish-made one with British actors Geoffrey Whitehead, Donald Pickering and Patrick Newell

profh0011 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 30, 2021, 08:46:49 PM »

If the entire series is available on DVD, I'll probaby go after it eventually.

I just felt, apart from them doing inferior, less-entertaining remakes of 1954 stories, despire having a clearly-larger budget and the show looking more lavish, ALL the lead actors were STIFF and lifeless by comparison. (I've only seen 4 episodes so far.)

The Australian Panther · « **Reply #43 on:** April 01, 2021, 05:13:44 AM »

I have recently found that there are some really early Holmes films on Youtube.
Here are some of them.
Sherlock Holmes (1916)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYd-Ip5kUI

Sherlock Holmes 1922 silent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_tFWp3bmg

John Barrymore - also great cinema organ accompaniment.

THE COPPER BEECHES (Silent 1912) Georges Treville as Sherlock Holmes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMgoNx-vv40

THE MUSGRAVE TREASURE (Silent - 1912) Georges Tr?ville as Sherlock Holmes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQ0i86xQhw

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Georges Tr?ville starred in a number of two reeler Sherlock Holmes films in 1912. These films were produced in collaboration with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who adapted and supervised production of the films. These were made by a French Company, ?clair, and filmed in England.

There were 7 in total.

Then there was this.
SHERLOCK HOLMES Unsold TV Pilot 1951. The Man Who Disappeared w/ John Longden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM8CdVU4HOA

'Watson, what do you think of this view?'

Andrew999 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 07, 2021, 08:15:53 AM »

I haven't seen it yet but I note The Irregulars has been a big hit - ranking second on viewing in the UK, so no surprise that a second series has been commissioned.

The supernatural has featured prominently in Sherlock books - but mostly as parody - I'm curious to know what it does to the canon when played straight.

For Poirot fans, I came across these little gems the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpNGGxGWmGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MPZbhpdxPU

As far as I'm aware, Austin Trevor was the first screen Poirot.

Anyone know of any Poirot comic books? I don't recall any but the character has a comic book feel to him, so I would have thought he was a natural for an adaptation

Who knew, by the way, that Agatha Christie may have ripped off the Poirot character from two other existing characters - Marie Belloc Lowndes? Hercules Popeau and Frank Howel Evans' Monsieur Poiret?

You can compare by downloading Popeau Intervenes for free here:

http://public-library.uk/ebooks/76/98.pdf

Lowndes also wrote The Lodger - one of Hitchcock's scariest films:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qFiw5VtmyI

Meanwhile, I've just finished watching all five series of Bates Motel - brilliant acting from Freddie Hightower and the guy who plays Sheriff Romero but I felt the final series allowed the spiralling plot lines to get out of control - others may think differently.

paw broon · « **Reply #45 on:** April 07, 2021, 01:52:13 PM »

There are a number of Poirot, and Christie, comic adaptations in France.
https://www.ligneclaire.info/agatha-christie-bd-59941.html
https://la-ribambulle.com/hercule-poirot-1/

profh0011 · « **Reply #46 on:** April 07, 2021, 04:21:35 PM »

"YOU FILTHY FROGGY EAVESDROPPER!"

"BELGIAN heavesdropper, madame."

profh0011 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 07, 2021, 04:31:24 PM »

As far as I'm aware, Austin Trevor was the first screen Poirot.

THANKS!!!

I just watched "LORD EDGEWARE DIES" a couple weeks ago, but looking around, was somehow under the impression that "ALIBI" was still a "lost" film. I've bookmarked it, will probably be the NEXT thing I watch on Youtube.

The general concensus of most comments is that the actors playing Poirot & Hastings look like they should have been swapped. My impression is that Austin Trevor got the role of Poirot because he could speak 2 languages fluently. In some spots, it actually seems to work better if you close your eyes and listen while they talk (heh).

I've now seen 3 different versions of "LORD EDGEWARE DIES", the others, naturally, being with Peter Ustinov and David Suchet. Ustinov did 3 TV-movies for CBS, all updated to the 1980s, and this one ("THIRTEEN AT DINNER") was not bad. (Only the one with Jean Stapleton is annoying-as-hell to sit thru.) When I was doing my last AC marathon, I made a point to watch both versions I had back-to-back. A problem with the CBS-TV films is the casting. They tend to be a DEAD giveaway. You'll have ONE big-name actor and a bunch of obscure character actors, and without fail, the BIG-name turns out to be the killer. That's just not fair. You either need ALL obscure actors, or ALL big-names. Otherwise it removes half the fun.

I forget if it was spelled out in any of the 3 versions... but, while watching the Austin Trevor version, I recall distinctly the moment when I figured out THE MOTIVE for the murder. it was when we found out that the new widow was planning to marry an even-richer titled Lord... who was a 'leader" in the CATHOLIC CHURCH. There it was. He would not marry a DIVORCED woman, but he would marry a WIDOWED one. During one of the other versions, I once asked myself, "Can we blame all the murders in this story on RELIGION ?" Seems so!

profh0011 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 07, 2021, 05:26:43 PM »

I just found out the 1955 German TV version of "HOUND" had "no record", and so is "lost". Hmm.

On the other hand... THIS is wild...

BEES SAAL BAAD (1962 film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bees_Saal_Baad_(1962_film)

Andrew999 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 08, 2021, 04:55:43 AM »

I'm a big fan of early sixties Bollywood (definitely the Golden Age) - basically anything with Shammi Kapoor or Dev Patel from that period is worth watching - so this version of Hound is a must as it stars the delightful Waheeda Rehman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugFfaNBo0I

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Sherlock Holmes

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