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« Reply #1025 on: February 19, 2012, 03:07:52 PM »

Lovely, all those Pertwee stories.  I'm particularly fond of the Autons and The Daemons.  We've been listening to him as CPO Pertwee on The Navy Lark, a British radio comedy from the '60's. which also starred Leslie Philips.
Friday night was the last ever Hustle.  This has been a good season, as have the others, but what can I say about the final episode - it had the lot and I bet you were all expecting a happy ending! Or were you?  I'm spoiling absolutely nothing by saying that.  You'll just have to search it out and be entertained.
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« Reply #1026 on: February 19, 2012, 04:18:01 PM »

The Lil Missus and I watched Count Dracula-(1970) last night.  It was better than I remembered it.  I suspect that my one previous viewing of it back in the seventies was edited for time so that they could cram in more commercials as it was also nice to see the whole thing too. 
The films main drawback is its low budget but director Jess Franco still manages to squeeze some atmosphere out of it (helped by a nice musical score) and I consider it one of the most faithful adaptations of Stoker's novel.
Good cast too.  Christopher's Lee's best portrayal of Dracula, IMHO, is aided immensely by Herbert Lom's fine Van Helsing and Klaus Kinski as Renfield in giving depth to the production.

Thanks for the little bit of info on The Navy Lark radio series Paw.  I had recently noticed that our local library had a number of episodes but knew nothing about the series and had not yet gotten around to researching it.

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« Reply #1027 on: February 20, 2012, 05:06:36 PM »

Been watchin' another pile of vintage cartoons.

Following up on my viewing of the 1928-1929 Winkler/Mintz produced Oswald cartoons I proceeded to examine the 1929-1930 Walter Lantz Oswald toons.

I tracked down 15 of them and they give one a fascinating view of a medium in transition.

Lantz is on record as describing their early efforts at producing sound cartoons as improvised dubbing sessions done after the cartoon was animated.  Well the earliest Lantz cartoons look just like he describes.  All of the sound (mostly music and sound effects with only an occasional squeal or exclamation to give "voices" to the characters) definitely seems like an afterthought.
 
It doesn't take long for things to improve as within a few months the animators first start experimenting with designing the gags to go with the music and effects.

A few months after that they have the characters slowly and carefully enunciating actual words as the animators get a feel for how to "do" this new phenomena of sound.

By the end of the season they got the essential mechanicals of it down and one can't help but appreciate it all when viewed in an order such as I did.

On top of all this Lantz had to rebuild much of the animation staff as some of the previous crew left with Mintz and some, such as the invaluable Hugh Harman and Rudy Ising, left to form their own studio.  You can really see a decline in quality of the animation on some of the early shorts from this season but things soon level out in that respect as Lantz puts the right people into the right spots and things start looking good even as they work through the mystery of "sound."

After finishing viewing the Lantz toons I decided to check out some of the Mintz cartoons form the same period but had much less luck tracking them down.


Mintz is one of those characters whom not much has been written about.  He's mainly known as the "guy who stole Oswald from Disney". 

He got into the animation biz when he married Margaret Winkler in the mid 1920s. 

Winkler had been a producer/distributor already for a few years and had worked with the Fleischers on their Out of the Inkwell (KoKo the Clown) cartoons as well as Pat Sullivan's Felix the Cat cartoon series.  She had also helped a young Walt Disney get his feet wet in the business by launching his Alice in Cartoonland series.

Well soon after the marriage Margaret got shunted off to pregnancy and being a housewife and Charles took over the running of the animation business which at that point was mainly Disney and Sullivan.  Sullivan was becoming an increasing chore to deal with so in 1927 Mintz dumped the popular series, formed his own production studio (with Margaret's brother George to help), licensed the popular King Features character Krazy Kat, signed a deal with Paramount Pictures (the biggest studio in Hollywood at the time) to distribute and proceeded to make Krazy Kat cartoons that looked a lot more like Felix the Cat then anything George Herriman had ever drawn.   Mintz then pushed Disney into giving up the Alice series and going with the less expensive to produce Oswald series (before taking that away from him a year later). 

Mintz was riding high for the next two years.

Then things began to turn against him.  In 1929 the motion picture industry was going through the painful, and costly, transition to sound pictures. Paramount had been distributing both Winkler's Krazy Kat cartoons and the Fleischer's Koko the Clown cartoons, both of which were popular.  They decided though that with all the money going into sound production that they only needed to spend money on one cartoon series and since the Fleischers were the only ones with as much experience with sound as Disney (having produced a bunch of Song Cartunes even before Disney began to experiment with sound on Mickey Mouse) Mintz was the one to go.  Then Universal yanked Oswald away from him and Mintz found himself with only one series and no distributor.  Mintz was quick on his feet though and he soon hooked up with poverty row Columbia Pictures and they began to distribute the Krazy Kat cartoons.

Then the stock market crashed and the Great Depression began.  Some days you just can't win.  But then again maybe he had it coming.

Anyway the three Mintz pictures I managed to get a look at were all Krazy Kat pictures.  One was a fairly early one from 1927. one was the final silent Krazy released by Paramount from 1929 and the last was the first sound Krazy Kat released by Columbia shortly after the final Paramount cartoon.  All were competently done if highly derivative of the Felix pictures and all looked pretty much the same.  With the exception of addition of sound (obviously a post-dubbed afterthought) there was very little change in the style of the productions.  Tough to really judge the guy's output from such a limited sample though.

Hopefully I can track down some later Mintz productions to get an idea of how his cartoon production advanced.

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« Reply #1028 on: February 20, 2012, 10:43:30 PM »

A lot of people at the IMDB seem to rate some films PURELY on how faithful they are to the book-- or not.  Which is not really fair, as a lot of GREAT movies have been made that were loosley based on TERRIBLE books. But of course, the reverse is ALSO true (and we must never forget it-- heehee).

DRACULA has been "lucky" in a way, as so many adaptations have been made, which have each been SO different from each other, and most of them, SO interesting in their own way! It's fun to watch, sometimes the ones that veer farthest from the book are the most fun (Hammer's 1958 DRACULA with Lee & Cushing immeidately comes to mind).

That said, in truth, I feel there are really only TWO adaptations that really, genuinely try to follow the book-- and they're both named "COUNT DRACULA". The first is thr 1970 version with Lee, Lom & Kinski. Technically, it's a TERRIBLY-made movie... and yet, from all I've seen and read, it it, nontheless, Jess Franco's undisputed MASTERPIECE. (heh) I mean, he REALLY TRIED on this one!! It's just a shame he still dind't have a decent budget, and that he couldn't bring himself to fire that AWFUL camerman who's apparently shot every single one of his atrocities-- I mean movies-- over the years.

I make fun, but I really do LIKE the film-- in spitre of its shortcomings. Lee looks EXACTLY as Dracula should, the story-- for the most part-- tries to follow the book-- Herbert Lom is pretty authentic to the novel-- and it's even got a decent Harker for a change. They do make a few notable deviations. Oddly enough, Dracula & Val Helsing to NOT cross paths anywhere in the book-- AT ALL-- until the end. But that doesn't make for good drama. (A friend of mine suggested that Bram Stoker, like many famous authors, had not quite gotten the hang of writing when he hit it big with his FIRST NOVEL.) Also, they BURN Dracula at the end. Which looks terrific. Oddly enough, right around the same time, Chris Lee went down IN FLAMES after being struck by LIGHTNING (that's gotta hurt!) in SCARS OF DRACULA, a film that was actually written and intended for SOME OTHER ACTOR... until the distributor refused to put up the money UNLESS Lee was in it. I'm guessing that explains the pasty white make-up, and the fact that he got MORE DIALOGUE in SCARS... than all his other Hammer DRAC films put together.



Now, what you need to do, is watch the 1977 BBC version with Louis Jourdan & Frank Finlay.  WOW!!!!!  Jess Franco's feels like a "Reader's Digest" version of this... whiole this feels the same for the novel itself.  This one ALSO deviates a bit.  Once again, Drac & Van Helsing have a verbal confrontation NOT in the novel, presumably because, ever since the stage play with Bela Lugosi, everyone doing the story feels there SHOULD be one!  Also, Van Helsing is a BIT nicer-- and less culpable-- than he was in the book. By that I mean, in the novel, he's SO secretive, he doesn't want to let anyone know what's going on until he's SURE, that it leads directly to LUCY'S DEATH.  NO S***. If he-- and Jon Pertwee's Doctor-- had TOLD people around him what was going on, things would never have gotten so bad.


Would you believe, I've seen the Lugosi film DOZENS of times by now, and this last time (about 2 weeks ago), it finally struck me, that with the MAJOR compression of the story for the stage version, all the time they spend trying to save Mina in the last 3rd, that actually came from the part of the novel where they're trying to save LUCY.  By the time Mina is victimized in the novel, all involved already know about Dracula, and have been hunting him down. He goes after HER almost as a way of "sticking" it to them, to say, "You DARE come after me? THIS is what you're gonna get."

By comparison, the Fernando Fernandez comic-book version (painted in full color), has him go after Mina because he fell in love with Lucy, so attacking Mina was a form of "revenge".

And by comparison, again, the whole "reincarnation of lost love" angle in the Coppola version, had been used in several films before-- including THE MUMMY (1932), THE MUMMY'S GHOST, HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS, Dan Curtis' DRACULA, and BLACULA (with William Marshall), but had nothiong to do with the book. In the book, Dracula is PURE EVIL!!!  When I read the novel, I realized, the ONLY actor who ever "did" the guy in the book, was Christopher Lee.




You know, one version I'm missing, but which I saw twice in theatres (which should tel you how much I liked it) is Mel Brooks' DRACULA: DEAD AND LOVING IT.  It's a loving tribute to Lugosi's film, but also pays tribute to Terrence Fisher, Francis Ford Coppola, and EVEN John Badham! Oh yeah-- and I'm SURE Mel based his Van Helsing on Frank Finlay. (With a little bit of Jack Klugman thrown in.  "I STILL got it!")


I never seem to get tired talking about Dracula.   ;D
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« Reply #1029 on: February 21, 2012, 02:28:39 AM »

I don't write much but enjoy reading you guys thoughts
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« Reply #1030 on: February 21, 2012, 05:00:48 AM »

Tonight:

COUNT DRACULA  (1970)

Thanks for giving me the idea! (I dug the '77 tape out as well while I was at it.)
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« Reply #1031 on: February 21, 2012, 05:05:54 AM »

Paw Broon:
"We've been listening to him as CPO Pertwee on The Navy Lark, a British radio comedy from the '60's. which also starred Leslie Philips."

Never seen or heard any of those, but I have seen him in a copple of CARRY ON film cameos.

Isn't it nuts that, after the surprising success of Patrick Troughton, they cast Pertwee specifically for his COMEDY skills-- but instead, he went completely the other way and played the character all serious and often unpleasant?

Then 5 years later, they cast a guy known for playing VILLAINS... and HE winds up doing it with a lot of comedy.

I was lucky to see Jon Pertwee in person on stage where he had the entire 2nd HALF of a "cabaret" show all to himself. What immense TALENT and ENERGY that guy had! I joked that, if they'd ever had him AND Bonnie Langford on the same stage together, they'd blow the roof right off the building.  :)
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« Reply #1032 on: February 21, 2012, 01:27:55 PM »

The 1977 Dracula is high on my list to rewatch but as yet I haven't acquired it on DVD.  My memory of it is that it was very good but I haven't had a chance to see it since the early eighties. 

Still have the Dan Curtis version coming up (as soon as the Lil Missus and I get a free evening together) so that will have to hold me.

We have rewatched all of the Universal and Hammer Draculas in recent years but your mentioning the Mel Brooks spoof makes me wanna see if I can't snag that one too.

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« Reply #1033 on: February 21, 2012, 01:53:59 PM »


"I was lucky to see Jon Pertwee in person on stage where he had the entire 2nd HALF of a "cabaret" show all to himself. What immense TALENT and ENERGY that guy had! I joked that, if they'd ever had him AND Bonnie Langford on the same stage together, they'd blow the roof right off the building." - profh0011

Lucky indeed.
Some of the Who people turn up at collector cons in Glasgow and they always attract barraloads of fans.
After the Doctor Who list, I dug out The Daemons and watched the first 2 episodes - great stuff.
Bonnie Langford was on Strictly Come Dancing recently.
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« Reply #1034 on: February 24, 2012, 03:16:11 AM »

Josemas:
"The 1977 Dracula is high on my list to rewatch but as yet I haven't acquired it on DVD."

It' would definitely be on my list of DVDs to get, one of these days. My videotape has a couple of disturbing glirches, 2 places where the picture TOTALLY cuts out, the first time for almost 2 minutes, the 2nd time for maybe 30 seconds.  I'm not sure what happened, but I suspect either the channel went off the air temporarily, or my cable service was interrupted by something.  Really WEIRD.

Watching it now, in segments.  I just got up to the point where Lucy dies, followed by Jonathan & Mina returning from Budapest.  I really LOVE this film!
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« Reply #1035 on: February 24, 2012, 06:03:43 PM »

This week:

THE NIGHT STRANGLER

COUNT DRACULA
 (1970)

COUNT DRACULA  (1977)

The BBC version is SO MUCH BETTER on every level than the Jess Franco version (a fair comparison, they're just about the only 2 adaptations that actually-- GASP!-- try to follow the book). However, there is one section in the '70 film that feels like it should have been in the '77 film, but isn't (I suspect they just ran out of time). That's when Dracula hired that ship to take him back to his homeland, and then the vampire-hunters discover it, and realize, if they travel over-land, they can get to his castle first! The '77 film is SO long and comprehensive by that point, I guess they couldn't include everything.

One scene from the book that stands out in my mind that has never turned up in any version of the film, is when the break into Dracula's house in London, to destroy his boxes. They do this in broad daylight, and avoid trouble with the police because Arthur Holmwood-- who by then had inherited his late father's title "Lord Godalming"-- told a constable it was HIS property. And WHO was gonna argue with a titled Lord? It was one of the advantages to having someone filthy stinking rich among the heroes. Actually, the closest this scene ever came to the screen was in the 1958 Hammer film, where Michael Gough, without a single word of dialogue, casually waves some money in front of the frontier border guard, inspiring the man to give up information he kept saying he wasn't allowed to give to anyone. It was a brief moment of humor in an otherwise mostly-serious and intense (and exciting) film.

Ironically, the Coppola / Oldman version is the ONLY one to feature all 3 of Lucy's suitors (the doctor, the cowboy and the rich guy), but it "makes up for it" by stealing the whole "reincarnation of lost love" subplot from THE MUMMY and other similar films, which had nothing to do with DRACULA! (Although, one might argue it was "borrowed" from "Jewel of the Seven Stars", another Stoker novel. But its more obvious source is the various Mummy films-- and HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS.)
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« Reply #1036 on: February 25, 2012, 04:19:39 AM »

Tonight:

HORROR OF DRACULA (1958)

...because, that's why!
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« Reply #1037 on: February 25, 2012, 07:23:25 PM »

I just watched the animated movie Gene-Fusion. Not bad.
Doc Martin (which I love thanks to Paw's recommend) just jumped a bunch of episodes. Went from not really dating to getting married but did not. It had my favorite episode where she was about to take the Doc to bed but got him drunk. She tells him just don't talk but then he tells her how he loves her and she is the thing he hopes to get a glimpse of everyday. She says he can talk if that is what he says then he falls asleep from drinking. Next episode has the cop find out his fiancee is a con artist. Then it jumps to the marriage episode and a new cop. That is episode 30something then it jumps to episode 50 something next. Hope they pick up inbetween.
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« Reply #1038 on: February 26, 2012, 06:28:03 PM »

Last night:

THE BRIDES OF DRACULA

Kinda follows, doesn't it? It's obvious they had a bigger budget for this than "CURSE" and "HORROR", the Count's "villa" looks more palatial than Dracula's "castle" did in the earlier film. And how about that Peter Cushing-- the world's most unlikely "ACTION HERO"!!

With this film distributed by Universal (which means they probably put up the money for Hammer to make it), there's also some very obvious visual tributes to Universal's 1930's films, which Hammer seemed hell-bent on AVOIDING before. The shot of the stagecoach arriving in town near the inn is very similar to the one at the beginning of DRACULA (1931), while the climax, taking place at a windmill, seems an obvious swipe at FRANKENSTEIN (also 1931).

Incidentally, for anyone who's seen the entire Hammer DRACULA series, it appears Dr. Van Helsing winds up with the French girl at the end. I feel certain SHE is the mother of his son, seen in LEGEND OF THE 7 GOLDEN VAMPIRES, and grandmother to Lorimer, seen in DRACULA A.D. 1972 and THE SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA.  (When else would a busy vampire-hunter have time for romance?)
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« Reply #1039 on: February 26, 2012, 08:53:04 PM »

I need to watch some classics. I did just watch the Frankenstein Syndrome. A very different and dark take. Interesting only in the different take. The movie itself not very worthwhile.
My wife and I both really liked the new to DVD movie DREAM HOUSE.
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« Reply #1040 on: February 28, 2012, 01:22:30 PM »

A new Whitechapel 2-parter started last night in ITV.  Penry-Jones and Phil Davis and the young detective still there and this time they're involved with the Boogeyman.  I have to admit that the hairs on the back of my neck went up a couple of times during this first part.  Seriously spooky at times and beautifully filmed.
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« Reply #1041 on: February 28, 2012, 11:08:09 PM »

A new "Whitechapel"? Hope it won't take a year to get it over here. The last two were quite excellent. Still waiting for the new "Doc Martin" episodes. Stumbled onto a new series, "The Finder". Yep, that's what he does- finds things. Lackluster debut, but it gets a little better every week. His bizarre methods  and the objects sought can make a up a decent story. Given time this one might be pretty good. Needed to be swashbuckled this week, so I watched "Scaramouche" and one of my very all-time favorite films, "Gunga Din". The granddaughters especially enjoyed the scene where Annie the elephant tore down the jail. Wasn't 1939 a really great year for movies? Cheers, Bowers
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« Reply #1042 on: February 29, 2012, 11:17:56 AM »

The new Whitechapels are supposed to air in the U. S. via BBC America starting March 28th.  The new episodes of Sherlock should start airing via PBS on May 6th.

I finally got to start sampling Doc Martin myself when I found the first four seasons available at Hulu last week.  Watched the pilot and am looking forward to more.

!939 was definitely one of the best years ever for movies.  No doubt about it.  Besides Gunga Din there was Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, The Wizard of Oz, Destry Rides Again, Gone With the Wind, The Women, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, The Light That Failed, Ninotchka, Union Pacific, The Roaring Twenties, Wuthering Heights and probably several more I'm forgetting at the moment.  All classics!

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« Reply #1043 on: February 29, 2012, 05:59:58 PM »

I like the sound of "The Finder" but don't recall seeing it anywhere on our listings.
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« Reply #1044 on: February 29, 2012, 10:20:08 PM »

Thanks for the schedule info, Joe. I'll be waiting! Paw, "The Finder" is on the Fox network over here and seems to be a "throw-in" to replace something else that was cancelled. Probably won't last very long, but it can be delightfully quirky at times. Watched Hugh Laurie ("House", "Jeeves and Wooster") and his touring blues band on PBS a month or so ago and it was KILLER! When the wife and I saw he was bringing this tour to town in June we ran down to the box office the first day tickets went on sale. Crap! All the great seats were gone in the first hour, but we still got some decent ones. The venue is a lovingly restored 1920's quasi-Egyptian/art deco style movie theater in which I spent many, many hours in my younger days. You have to love it when these wonderful old buildings can get a second lease on life and serve a useful purpose. Cheers, Bowers
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« Reply #1045 on: March 01, 2012, 03:32:50 AM »

The last few days...

HORROR OF DRACULA
THE BRIDES OF DRACULA
DRACULA PRINCE OF DARKNESS
DRACULA HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE


Sometimes I just can't help myself...
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« Reply #1046 on: March 01, 2012, 09:49:35 AM »

The Finder is a spinoff from Bones.  Since Bones is having an abbreviated season this year (due to star Emily Deschanel's pregnancy) The Finder is filling that time-slot quite a bit. 
The Lil Missus and I watched the Bones episode that was a pilot for The Finder but found all the characters too annoying to followup with watching it as a regular series.
It hasn't done particularly well in the ratings so far, except when it goes up against reruns on the other networks, so it's kinda' iffy whether it will be renewed or not.

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« Reply #1047 on: March 01, 2012, 09:59:22 AM »

The Lil Missus and I watched Dracula (1974) this past weekend and it was as good as I remembered.  Jack Palance is excellent as Dracula.  Really savage and animalistic at times.  Some nice location shooting in England and Yugoslavia gives it some appropriate atmosphere.  I noticed some music tracks that producer Dan Curtis recycled from Dark Shadows but they worked well here.
The DVD also had some interviews (apparently from the mid 1990s) with Palance and Curtis and Curtis confirmed Henry's hunch that the "reincarnation of lost love" subplot was indeed borrowed from Dark Shadows by screen writer Richard Matheson and himself.
Palance admitted that he had never seen the finished film but received frequent praise for it and had been offered chances to reprise the role on various occasions.

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« Reply #1048 on: March 01, 2012, 10:39:48 AM »

Took a break from watching all those Oswald cartoons to check out a bunch of "banned" cartoons which basically means those with offensive stereotypes in them.  Quite a few date from the WWII period but there are plenty from earlier and some even from after the war.

Some of the best were those that relied heavily on music such as Lantz's Scrub Me Mama With a Boogie Beat and  Cow Cow Boogie and  Warner's Tin Pan Alley Cats and Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs which while sometimes having caricatures of African-Americans that really make you wince, also have very lively tunes that still make the toons worth watching.
Some of the worst were the anti-Axis WWII cartoons with the Germans, Italians, and (especially) the Japanese being caricatured as vultures, hyenas, monkeys, etc.. The worst along these lines I ran across was the very unfunny Warner's cartoon Tokio Jokio (1943).
Few of these have aired on TV since the early 1970s (or earlier) but have popped up on some DVD collections or show up on  Youtube and the like.

Coming up next-  The Fox and the Crow.

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« Reply #1049 on: March 01, 2012, 08:05:02 PM »

Talk about making you wince!  The Wizard had a, what is now notorious, strip, titled, "Spadger's Isle.  This was on the front page for a while and here are a few examples.  Not films but a big part of British reading at the time:-
http://www.kellyscomics.com/wizard-old-comics-3.php
Scroll about half way down.  You can't really miss them.
I saw some examples at a friends house recently which were  more worrying and cringeworthy but they are of their time.

Many of the covers on this site are simply superb.
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