Topic: Disturbing Golden Age Fun! (Read 26375 times)

rez · « **Reply #50 on:** July 27, 2009, 05:14:03 PM »

hmm, I have a page of original artwork with ShadowLass in the panels.
Whatta got to trade?

Quote from: phabox on July 27, 2009, 04:49:29 PM

I always dug Shadow Lass myself, that blue skin was a REAL turn on !!

Sadly I've yet to meet anyone like her in 'real life' but I still live in hope.

-Nigel

phabox · « **Reply #51 on:** July 27, 2009, 05:46:04 PM »

Who's the artist ?

-Nigel

rez · « **Reply #52 on:** July 27, 2009, 06:16:53 PM »

I think both the oversized ShadowLass art and the Kirby sketch book I've been meaning to locate are in the bottom of a dresser drawer so now I can get two birds with one stone.

More to follow...

JVJ · « **Reply #53 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:09:02 PM »

Quote from: phabox on July 27, 2009, 05:46:04 PM

Who's the artist ?

-Nigel

Jim Mooney, Nigel.
Although it's not so easy to tell from just ONE face.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

phabox · « **Reply #54 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:34:56 PM »

Strange...

I don't recall Mooney ever working on the character.

During the Legion's original run in Adventure Comics Curt Swan and Win Mortimer were the two main artists coverng the period that Shadow Lass was a member.

By the time the L.S.H. were brought back in the early 70's had'nt Jim moved over to Marvel ?

-Nigel

PeterC · « **Reply #55 on:** July 27, 2009, 10:43:31 PM »

Quote from: phabox on July 27, 2009, 09:34:56 PM

Strange... I don't recall Mooney ever working on the character.

During the Legion's original run in Adventure Comics Curt Swan and Win Mortimer were the two main artists coverng the period that Shadow Lass was a member.

By the time the L.S.H. were brought back in the early 70's had'nt Jim moved over to Marvel ?

-Nigel

I think Jim was saying the Supergirl pic that started this whole newest conversation was by Mooney, but I take it that you were asking who had drawn the LSH page, right?

Peter

OtherEric · « **Reply #56 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:19:39 AM »

Shooter did a few issues of Superboy and the LSH in the 70's before moving to Marvel; I want to say 209-224. He was not the only writer at the time.

phabox · « **Reply #57 on:** July 28, 2009, 06:50:49 AM »

When I said 'Jim' I ment Mr.Mooney who draws the Legion in the 60's and also later moved over to Marvel in the 70's (Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Man-Thing, Omega ect).

And YES it was the identity of the Shadow Lass artist who's work Rez has an example of that I was enquiring about.

-Nigel

OtherEric · « **Reply #58 on:** July 28, 2009, 07:02:53 AM »

By the time the L.S.H. were brought back in the early 70's had'nt Jim moved over to Marvel ?

Taken in isolation, my answer is perfectly cromulent. But had I been paying closer attention I would have figured out the right Jim. (To be fair, Shooter is generally credited with layouts on his issues of LSH, it's not entirely irrelevant.)

phabox · « **Reply #59 on:** July 28, 2009, 07:28:45 AM »

I Think Jim ( Shooter that is

) was still around when the Legion came back in Superboy in the early 70's and wrote a few stories although by this time I think it was Cary Bates doing the bulk of the work.

-Nigel

darkmark · « **Reply #60 on:** July 28, 2009, 12:19:00 PM »

If you want disturbing Golden Age fun check out just about anything by Basil Wolverton that's supposed to be "serious". Even despite the obvious symbology in Spacehawk, when he has a character who introduces himself as "the evil scientist, Dork!", you know where his mind is headed.

narfstar · « **Reply #61 on:** July 28, 2009, 02:41:30 PM »

I have The Basil Wolverton Bible so it would not fall in that category. Wolverton was very devout

rez · « **Reply #62 on:** July 28, 2009, 05:14:39 PM »

Quote from: phabox on July 27, 2009, 05:46:04 PM

Who's the artist ?

-Nigel

Not sure of the artist. The Superboy and the LSH # is 232, an interior page with ShadowLass in, close to if not in, each panel.
I'll scan it since a pic is worth a thousand words. When I get my wheels back from the mechanic that is.

phabox · « **Reply #63 on:** July 28, 2009, 06:35:09 PM »

Sounds like it might be a Ric Estrada job, not the most exciting of artists IMO

-Nigel

Astaldo711 · « **Reply #64 on:** July 28, 2009, 08:15:10 PM »

This is one of the things I love about golden age comics. Things were so black and white. You can just read the story and not get caught up in shades of black and white. Bad guys are evil and deserve to die, good guys are always good and will always win. I read Crack Comics #1 and love how nonchalant The Clock is about the bad guy dying. "You saved the state the cost of an execution!" "Well, he deserved it!".
I've also noticed that the art can be REAL bad and other times it's quite good. I read a reprint of Flash Comics (those giant issues from DC) and Hawkman was in it. The art in that was excellent.

JVJ · « **Reply #65 on:** July 28, 2009, 08:27:32 PM »

Quote from: darkmark on July 28, 2009, 12:19:00 PM

If you want disturbing Golden Age fun check out just about anything by Basil Wolverton that's supposed to be "serious". Even despite the obvious symbology in Spacehawk, when he has a character who introduces himself as "the evil scientist, Dork!", you know where his mind is headed.

With the possible exception that the word didn't mean that when he drew it, dm.
cf "dork etymology"
"stupid person," 1967, originally U.S. student slang, probably from earlier meaning "penis" (1964), itself probably an alteration of dick.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

Astaldo711 · « **Reply #66 on:** July 28, 2009, 08:50:12 PM »

That was back in the day when "queer" meant odd and "gay" meant happy.

phabox · « **Reply #67 on:** July 28, 2009, 09:00:09 PM »

Indeed back in the 40's DC even had a character called the 'Gay' Ghost but when they reprinted one of his stories in an issue of World's Finest Comics back in the early 70's they got cold feet and renamed him 'The Grim Ghost'

-Nigel

Astaldo711 · « **Reply #68 on:** July 28, 2009, 09:08:15 PM »

Wasn't there a character in Whiz Comics named "He-She" or some-such?

rez · « **Reply #69 on:** July 30, 2009, 12:46:47 AM »

Quote from: phabox on July 28, 2009, 06:35:09 PM

Sounds like it might be a Ric Estrada job, not the most exciting of artists IMO

-Nigel

R. Estrada and J. Abel

darkmark · « **Reply #70 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:55:04 AM »

I'm not certain of that. I've heard a live Kingston Trio recording from the early 60's which includes the bit, "Show me a horseman who rides sidesaddle, and I'll show you a gay caballero!" Also, the Gay Ghost was renamed the Grim Ghost way back when in the 40's, iirc. But the modern meaning of "gay" didn't take hold until circa the late 60's, I don't think.

JVJ · « **Reply #71 on:** July 30, 2009, 07:11:06 AM »

Quote from: darkmark on July 30, 2009, 05:55:04 AM

I'm not certain of that. I've heard a live Kingston Trio recording from the early 60's which includes the bit, "Show me a horseman who rides sidesaddle, and I'll show you a gay caballero!" Also, the Gay Ghost was renamed the Grim Ghost way back when in the 40's, iirc. But the modern meaning of "gay" didn't take hold until circa the late 60's, I don't think.

When St. John reprinted Chesler's "The Gay Desperado" strip circa 1948, it was called the "Bold Buckeroo" so there seems to have been some negative connotations in SOMEONE'S mind at that time. The etymology of the word includes this entry:

"The "Dictionary of American Slang" reports that gay (adj.) was used by homosexuals, among themselves, in this sense since at least 1920. Rawson ["Wicked Words"] notes a male prostitute using gay in reference to male homosexuals (but also to female prostitutes) in London's notorious Cleveland Street Scandal of 1889."

But the word continued to have both meanings (light-hearted and homosexual) until about when you remember that Kingston Trio bit (circa 1964), and the word had been totally co-opted by the early 70s as you point out.

narfstar · « **Reply #72 on:** July 30, 2009, 01:12:46 PM »

Nice avatar Jim. I was unaware of whose writing I had read until I looked farther up and saw the JVJ

Astaldo711 · « **Reply #73 on:** July 30, 2009, 09:08:31 PM »

This is a good one from Blackhawk #9

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Disturbing Golden Age Fun!

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