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Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers

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crashryan

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Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers
« on: November 25, 2023, 08:28:20 PM »

THE QUALITY THIRD-STRINGERS

Quality Comics are famous for classic superheroes like Plastic Man, Doll Man and The Black Condor. However most of their titles co-featured a grab bag of back-up humor and adventure shorts. For this reading session I offer three obscure Quality supporting characters in unusual settings. I've chosen two stories per character, but since most Quality back-ups ran only a few pages per episode the collection is a reasonable-sized read.

SWING SISSON, "The Ace of the Bandstand," leads a New York swing band based at the Clover Club. His gal pal Bonnie Baxter is the band's vocalist. Swing's right-hand man is saxophonist Toby Tucker. Swing spends more time battling gangsters and racketeers than he spends on the bandstand. The series had a respectable run in Feature Comics, from #49 (1941) through #144 (1950). Here are two samples. We have Swing's first appearance onsite, but it's in a fiche scan and very hard to read. Instead, here's his second appearance in Feature #50 (starts on our page 28):

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=32144

And one from near the end of his run, appearing in Feature #141 (1949). Starts on page 22:

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=20013

HACK O'HARA  drove a taxicab. Like Swing Sisson, he spent more time bashing bad guys than driving travelers to the train station. Hack appeared in Crack Comics #s 21-62 (1942-1949). Here is his first appearance (page 21):

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=71027

And a later episode from Crack #59 (page 26):

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=34605

Finally we come to JEB RIVERS, Mississippi riverboat captain. Accompanied by his kid sidekick Catfish and trusty female pilot Marnie, Jeb was a latecomer to the Quality line at a time when the company seemed to be casting about for new features. His short run began in Hit Comics #61-65, followed by a one-shot appearance in Police Comics #102 (1949-1950). Here's Jeb's first voyage (page 3):

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=14662

and his next-to-last (page 3):

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=79189

I hope K1ngcat will be back on the bandstand for his next Reading Group session. In the meantime, see what you think of these.
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2023, 12:55:00 AM »

Some interesting selections there, Crashryan. I've only had a chance to look at Swing Sisson and Hack O'Hara so far, with Pen Miller as a bonus.

Swing Sisson - Feature Comics #50

I liked this story. Swing Sission was an interesting character and he also had some good supporting characters in Bonnie and Toby. The baddies were particularly heinous in putting acid in poor Gilda's grease paint, thus giving her permanent scarring and ending her career as a dancer. Though I would have liked to see some mention at the end of what happened to poor Gilda. She could have still been a dancer, perhaps with an exotic mask. Also, the baddies later attempted to attack the others with acid shot from a water pistol. But if the acid was so strong that it ate through the lamp post, why didn't it also eat through the water pistol? Also an interesting way to present the baddies to the police by tying them to a windmill. The art was better than some supporting features, with some good action shots.

Swing Sisson - Feature Comics #141

Another interesting story, though I'm not sure the premise re the clicks would work. If Rocky is clicking his gadget in the casino, why would the band members hear the clicks every time the electric guitar is turned on? They're both powered by electricity, but it doesn't make sense to me that the sound of the clicking would come through. Still, it was an original idea.

Overall, I liked Swing Sisson and his sidekicks enough that I would be happy to read more stories. Better than many third-string characters.

Hack O'Hara - Crack Comics #31

I really liked the art in this one, especially the expressions on Hack O'Hara and the old passenger who turner out to be a jeweller. Though there seemed to be one continuity problem, with Hack not having his cap in the bottom left panel on p. 3, but then having it on his head again in the next panel. Also in the second last panel of the story, McCarthy asks 'How did you ever escape the cops?' Maybe it was rhetorical, but I was expecting an answer that didn't come. Not a bad story, but I particularly liked the art.

Hack O'Hara - Crack Comic #59

Was there a different artist for this one? The style is more slick and Hack looks a bit different. There are  some good action shots. But I thought the art in the other story was a bit more unique. I'm not familiar with the term 'yeggs' (as in Tiger being one of the worst yeggs in the city). And what a swell guy Hack is for suggesting Joe gets the full reward because he has a family to support!

Overall, Hack was another good third-string character. The fact that he was a taxi driver on the midnight shift enables him to be in a few different kinds of scenarios than we'd usually see.

Pen Miller

I know we weren't looking specifically at this one, but it followed the previous Hack story and I was interested to see what a cartoonist detective would do. Inspector Hunter was very forthcoming in giving info about a case to 'the crime-busting cartoonist'. It turns out that his cartooning skills didn't help solve the crime (I wondered how they could), but it ends with something of a political cartoon, so I guess that's how he contributes to the cause of justice.

Thanks for bringing these to our attention, Crash.

Cheers

QQ

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2023, 10:54:39 PM »

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I'm not familiar with the term 'yeggs'

QQ, yegg is old-fashioned American slang dating back to the late 1800s. Originally it meant a wandering beggar, a tramp. I've never found an explanation of how this came about. By the turn of the century it meant a safecracker or a robber, especially one who roamed from place to place to commit his crimes. There's a site that tracks the popularity of words. It says yegg (also yeggman) peaked in the 1920s. I first encountered the term in the 1950s detective paperbacks I read during my college years. By that time it referred to any low-class hood. I think paperback writers kept yegg alive because it made for great pun titles like The Scrambled Yeggs.

If you'll forgive my pedantry, I'm also intrigued by the word hack as in Hack O'Hara. I researched it after discovering that an Australian reprint changed his name to "Taxi O'Hara." Obviously the term hack didn't make it across the water. In the USA hack referred to a taxicab and/or its driver (aka a cabbie). From Merriam-Webster I learned that it all started in 17th century England when a hackney was an ordinary horse for riding (as opposed to stronger horses for hauling or war). When coaches for hire became a thing, hackneys were used to pull them. Soon the word describing the horse became attached to the vehicle and was shortened to hack. A popular sort of hackney was the two-wheeled cabriolet which of course became cab.

M-W's essay says that hack meaning a vehicle for hire had crossed the Atlantic and was well-established in the US by the mid-19th century, as was cab. Hack became associated with the driver, and then to a person who works for hire--especially one who does mundane work strictly for the money. So there was Hack O'Hara, a hack driving his hack--but not doing a hack job of it.

Inevitably I had to look up taxicab and taxi. Turns out they derive from taximeter, the gadget that keeps track of the distance a cab travels. My friends at Merriam-Webster say "Taximeter derives partly from German and partly from the Medieval Latin taxa, meaning “tax” or “charge.” At first a taxicab was called a taximeter-cab, which became taxicab and then taxi.

Sorry if I bore everyone with etymology. I'm fascinated by the origins of slang terms, how they do or do not cross from country to country, and how their meaning changes over time. It's like candy to me.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2023, 05:38:52 AM »


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I'm not familiar with the term 'yeggs'

QQ, yegg is old-fashioned American slang dating back to the late 1800s. Originally it meant a wandering beggar, a tramp. I've never found an explanation of how this came about. By the turn of the century it meant a safecracker or a robber, especially one who roamed from place to place to commit his crimes. There's a site that tracks the popularity of words. It says yegg (also yeggman) peaked in the 1920s. I first encountered the term in the 1950s detective paperbacks I read during my college years. By that time it referred to any low-class hood. I think paperback writers kept yegg alive because it made for great pun titles like The Scrambled Yeggs.

If you'll forgive my pedantry, I'm also intrigued by the word hack as in Hack O'Hara. I researched it after discovering that an Australian reprint changed his name to "Taxi O'Hara." Obviously the term hack didn't make it across the water. In the USA hack referred to a taxicab and/or its driver (aka a cabbie). From Merriam-Webster I learned that it all started in 17th century England when a hackney was an ordinary horse for riding (as opposed to stronger horses for hauling or war). When coaches for hire became a thing, hackneys were used to pull them. Soon the word describing the horse became attached to the vehicle and was shortened to hack. A popular sort of hackney was the two-wheeled cabriolet which of course became cab.

M-W's essay says that hack meaning a vehicle for hire had crossed the Atlantic and was well-established in the US by the mid-19th century, as was cab. Hack became associated with the driver, and then to a person who works for hire--especially one who does mundane work strictly for the money. So there was Hack O'Hara, a hack driving his hack--but not doing a hack job of it.

Inevitably I had to look up taxicab and taxi. Turns out they derive from taximeter, the gadget that keeps track of the distance a cab travels. My friends at Merriam-Webster say "Taximeter derives partly from German and partly from the Medieval Latin taxa, meaning “tax” or “charge.” At first a taxicab was called a taximeter-cab, which became taxicab and then taxi.

Sorry if I bore everyone with etymology. I'm fascinated by the origins of slang terms, how they do or do not cross from country to country, and how their meaning changes over time. It's like candy to me.


Wow, Crash, you've gone above and beyond the call of duty. I would have been happy with 'a yegg is a low-class hood', but thanks for the extra info. It is interesting to see the origins of words over the years, how they have changed, and how they differ in different countries. The name Hack O'Hara didn't seem strange to me, but I had never heard hack used as a taxi. If you'd asked me what a hack was, I would have said a bad journalist or writer in general, like one who churns out poor-quality pieces. But I don't know if that's an Australian thing or just something I've picked up from TV. We get a lot of British and American TV here.

Cheers

QQ
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2023, 09:57:43 PM »

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If you'd asked me what a hack was, I would have said a bad journalist or writer in general, like one who churns out poor-quality pieces. 

I read quite a lot of Journalism, so I am familiar with that usage, and I believe the word is still used that way in the industry as a derogatory term.
It is one of those words that has multiple usage. I have my doubts that AI will ever be able to cope with the English language 100%. Just try to find something or somebody on YouTube  when there are multiple people, movies or songs with the same name. 
From the Cambridge Dictionary;-
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hack  verb [ I, T ] uk /hæk/ us
hack verb [I, T] (CUT)(Slash)
to cut something roughly into pieces:
The victim had been hacked to death.
hack verb [I, T] (COMPUTER)
to use a computer to illegally get into someone else's computer system and read the information that is kept there: 
   
From https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hack

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  noun
    a person, such as an artist or writer, who exploits their creative ability or training in the production of dull, unimaginative, and trite work; one who produces banal and mediocre work for money in the hope of gaining commercial success in the arts: As a painter, he was little more than a hack.

a professional who renounces or surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward in the performance of a task normally thought of as involving a strong personal commitment: The senator was widely considered a mere political hack.

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1. +A horse used for riding or driving; a hackney.
2. A worn-out horse for hire; a jade.

3.
a. One who undertakes unpleasant or distasteful tasks for money or reward; a hireling.
b. A writer hired to produce routine or commercial writing.
4. A carriage or hackney for hire.
5. Informal
a. A taxicab.
b. See hackie. 

I'm quite familiar with this usage.
and also
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3. (Rugby) (in sport, esp rugby) to foul (an opposing player) by kicking or striking his shins
4. (Basketball) basketball to commit the foul of striking (an opposing player) on the arm
5. (Pathology) (intr) to cough in short dry spasmodic bursts
 


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    Origin of hack
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First recorded in 1200–50; Middle English hacken; compare Old English ahaccian “to hack out,” tōhaccian “to hack to pieces”; cognate with Dutch hakken, German hacken

Quite a versatile little word!

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2023, 06:06:05 AM »

Swing Sisson

Feature Comics #50
Well, Ickie, that hep-cat done knocked me strutting. ;-) Not bad. Do wonder why he didn't contact the cops as you'd think they might be interested in stopping criminals.

Feature Comics #141
How does Swing get paid if he gets his employer arrested? Is he independently wealthy and works as a bandleader because someone else used the Bat costume? ;-)

Swing is an interesting idea for a character with a number of interesting plot-generating connections, working places that make money, encountering celebrities, music-loving criminals, etc. Also his job is short enough that he can find time to work on solving problems.

Unrelated Note: Years ago when I was indexing Bell Features' Dime Comics, I checked out Swing Sisson because Jerry Lazare had a habit of... 'taking inspiration' for his comics from others and I wondered if he had done so for his Drummy Young feature which had a similar set-up, bandleader detective, girl singer and musician sidekick, but, as far as I could tell he didn't take anything from the Swing stories.


Hack O'Hara

Crack Comics #21
So the police assumes Hack killed the guy and just ran off instead of driving his cab? Uh, yeahhhhh...
Ah, a policeman named McCarthy. There's a good name that will never have anyone come along and smear it. ;-)

Crack Comics #59
Okay story, but nothing special.

Hack isn't a bad character and being a cabbie can lead to him encountering a number of people with problems to solve, but driving 8 hours a day would cut into his ability to solve other peoples' problems and taking time off to solve other peoples' problems would cut down on his ability to make money at his job.

Jeb Rivers

Hit Comics #61
Funny how this felt like a pilot for a TV show despite there being very few TV shows in 1949. It really was the woman as pilot that made me feel that way since it's such a TV way to bring in a love interest tied to the story and not as a third wheel to the plot. Otherwise a good story, although Jeb seems to be overqualified since, as Catfish tells us, he can beat any opponent. He's sort of a non-super Superman. Sure you want your hero to be able to defeat the bad guy(s), but you don't want it to be too easy or people won't care. The writer needs the illusion that the hero might lose to involve the reader.

Dark River Rising (text story)
Guess Captain Pelham hired Jeb after the first story.
One line, “There was a brief, deadly struggle and then Jeb stood up over the limp, motionless figure of his opponent.” made me think, 'Damn, Jeb beat him to death.' but context indicates that Harris is still alive, so the writer probably shouldn't have used the word 'deadly' in that description.

Hit Comics #65
The Wild, Wild West 16 years early. ;-) Presumably this story was set before the Civil War, although I can't remember if any dates for the series was given. Murkitt seemed to overlook the possibility that survivors or people on shore might see his ship and somebody might build their own ironclads to stop him.

Almost Murder (text story)
Basically a minute mystery. Okay if short.

Jeb strikes me as a character with limited potential for stories. How many riverboat type stories are there before you start repeating plots? Common stories would probably involve gamblers, pirates, interesting passengers... a short run is kind of to be expected.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2023, 02:33:46 AM »


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If you'd asked me what a hack was, I would have said a bad journalist or writer in general, like one who churns out poor-quality pieces. 

I read quite a lot of Journalism, so I am familiar with that usage, and I believe the word is still used that way in the industry as a derogatory term.
It is one of those words that has multiple usage. I have my doubts that AI will ever be able to cope with the English language 100%. Just try to find something or somebody on YouTube  when there are multiple people, movies or songs with the same name. 



Yes, it's unlikely that AI will be able to work out all the nuances. Though some things are getting scarily close. I saw some submission guidelines for an art competition recently that for the first time specified AI could not be used to generate the art. They had a lot of different categories and one of them was digital art, so it may have been because of that. However, they said they were relying on the integrity of the artist. In reality, it would be hard to distinguish between genuine digital art that had been created by a graphic designer and a piece that had been created, or partially created, using AI. Interesting times.

Cheers

QQ
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2023, 06:23:13 PM »

I'm embarrassed to admit that I've avoided the non-superhero strips in these titles and I now regret the omission.  Swing Sissons appeals to me for a couple of reasons.  I like swing and small group playing from that time and there's a film I like titled "It Always Rains on Sunday"  where one of the main characters is a band leader and record shop owner played by the excellent Sidney Tafler.  In this one he's seedy and a womaniser, unlike Swing.  The art in a lot of Quality strips usually attracts me but I think Swing suffers from not so competent work.  Page 22, bottom right, his head and shoulder looks all wrong and in a couple of panels the figures look a bit wooden.  The 2 stories are entertaining enough if a bit obvious.

Hack O'Hara is a much more exciting looking strip - well, this 1st appearance anyway.  Still, some of the figures don't look just quite right.  Lots of action, colour and a decent wee mystery.
The story in #59 is a lot less visually exciting and the "Fairfield girl" really walked into it, didn't she.
The story layout seems to alternate between 2 tier high pages and 3 tier high pages. Did the editor need the extra page this gave him to fill the issue? I noticed the police officer was happy for Hack to go in first. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2023, 01:55:07 AM »

Its funny, ‘Crash, but last week as we were reading the Cat Man collection I wondered about the other features in the comics that didn’t make the collection. Then this week we concentrate on just those kind of stories.

SWING SESSION was a good premise for introducing any kind of character or situation you wanted to, just like those rock and roll comics DC put out in the 60’s. The bands could go anywhere and run into any type of person. The art got better as the series went on, but somehow the characters didn’t seem to really stand out and grab you.

HACK O’HARA had the same sort of flexibility, as QQ has already noted. Anybody could hop into his cab. For some reason, his profile reminded me of Eddie Cochran from time to time. it had some of the better art in those comic books and you have to wonder what it would have morphed into if the feature had caught on and lasded longer.

JEB RIVERS had to my eye the most appealing art of the three, and the story reminded me of Wild Wild West, too, ’Super. Again, you could just about anybody or anything from that time period on shore for the guy to drive past and interact with. Could have worked. (How long did Tug Boat Annie last?)

Thanks for bringing these neglected story lines to our attention, ‘Crash. They were a lot of fun. (And probably gave them more attention then they have had in a long time)


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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2023, 02:25:12 AM »

SWING SISSON
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=32144

For some reason, and I can't actually give you one, I have never paid much attention to the QUALITY books on CB+.
Also, as Morgus has pointed out, we have a tendency to  concentrate on the Superheros, Fantasy and SF material from the golden age.
That said, this was the age of swing, big bands and nightclubs and there were a number of characters and narratives with that background.
A straight-forward blackmail story - good art, well-told, B+?

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=20013
Again, good art, well-told and a narrative that would not have been uncommon in those times.
Rocky and Bonnie, however are very generic characters. Not individuals that are memorable.   

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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2023, 02:52:21 AM »

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  HACK O'HARA  drove a taxicab. Like Swing Sisson, he spent more time bashing bad guys than driving travelers to the train station. Hack appeared in Crack Comics #s 21-62 (1942-1949). Here is his first appearance (page 21):

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=71027
The story begins on our page #18.
Curiously and confusingly, the 'Additional Information' box doesn't mention Hack O'Hara at all.
Very nice art, very creative but unidentified. An original idea for a story.
thanks Crash. 
And a later episode from Crack #59 (page 26)
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=34605
Different Artist - also unidentified. This one is a bit-farfetched. Looking at panel #1 on their page #5, i can't believe you would decide to swim out that far, in a suit, just on a whim without any real evidence. The story needed a better link.
The story is too straight-forward to be interesting. 
Memory says there were other Taxi-driver characters in the Golden Age, and I don't just mean 'Doiby' Dickles.         
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2023, 07:42:41 AM »

Panther, the GCD for Crack #21 has a questionable ID of Lou Fine on Hack O'Hara. Crack #59 the GCD lists Alice Kirkpatrick as the artist.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2023, 08:58:56 AM »

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  Panther, the GCD for Crack #21 has a questionable ID of Lou Fine on Hack O'Hara. 

Thank you. I suspected that -it's good enough, but maybe someone else inked.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2023, 04:41:23 PM »

Found a link to the film I mentioned above.  Try it, you might enjoy it.  Excellent cast.
https://archive.org/details/it-always-rains-on-sunday
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2023, 01:08:40 AM »

For some reason, best known only to myself, and I don't really know, I don't enjoy downloading or watching  anything on Archive.org.
Here is the same movie on YouTube, excellent print from a StudioCanal restoration.
it always rains on Sunday 1947 full movie 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj7fPnatdYo
Film stars John McCallum and Googie Withers, who were husband and wife.
McCallum was Australian.
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John McCallum was born on March 14, 1918 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. He was a producer and actor, known for Nickel Queen (1971), Bailey's Bird (1977) and A Boy, a Girl and a Bike (1949). He was married to Googie Withers. He died on February 3, 2010 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.   

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2023, 03:55:02 AM »

JEB RIVERS,
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=14662
Riverboat stories weren't uncommon in comics  in the golden age.
Also in early TV.
The 'Riverboat Race' was common too. I think it featured in an Uncle Scrooge story as well.
Typical  Quality good art - as per usual also, uncredited.
Excellent action scenes and pacing.
Enjoyed it.
Hit Comics 65
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=79189
Weirdly, the Additional Information states, -
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  Art credits added by Craig Delich 2011-1-1 per Jim Amash interview with Les Zakarin, who verified them in Alter Ego #27.
States this twice, but there are no Art credits.   
Both the stories have great splashes.
Some good research done into what boats and costumes looked like.
Crash thanks for these.
Be nice to have archives for some of these characters.
Not a lot of comments for these selecti0ons, but that happens sometimes.
Also, just before Christmas, many of us have other things occupying their attention.
Tomorrow, the Christmas selections!
cheers.

   
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2023, 08:02:05 AM »

Weirdly, the Additional Information states, -
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Art credits added by Craig Delich 2011-1-1 per Jim Amash interview with Les Zakarin, who verified them in Alter Ego #27.
States this twice, but there are no Art credits.

There are credits... at the GCD. The GCD is switching from text credits to links to their creator index and that info doesn't get captured by CB+. Not sure why the texts are readable on the page over there, but it doesn't get picked up to come over here.

Anyway...
Hit Comics #61
Cover & Story - Reed Crandall (pencils & inks)

Hit Comics #65
Cover - Reed Crandall (pencils), Les Zakarin (inks)
Story - Reed Crandall (pencils), unknown inks
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2023, 09:20:45 AM »

Panther, I couldn't find the film on YouTube.  That's beside the point as the cast is more important. Jack Warner, Sidney Tafler, Jimmy Hanley,  all in great form. How good is that!
Anyway, I have the dvd ;D
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2023, 09:37:14 AM »

Swing Sisson - Feature Comics 50 - "Ace Of The Bandstand"
I collect Feature Comics from #64-132 mainly for their comedy content.  So, I'm familiar with the character, "Swing Sisson", and have read his stories which appeared in those books, which contained about 3/4 of his stories.  This story (his 2nd) was new to me.  I wondered what his first, defining stories were like.  Actually, this story is doubly interesting to me, because its story is very similar to one of my favourite late noir films, starring one of the worst actors ever to get filmed, Jacques Bergerac ("The Hypnotic Eye").  He played a hypnotist with a stage show, whose beautiful assistant had had her face burnt with acid, and ravaged to the point where she had to wear a mask to avoid all who looked upon her cringing, and looking away in horror.  To get revenge upon those young women, who retained their beautiful looks, she had her hypnotist husband hypnotise them, and leave them with a final hypnotic suggestion to bathe their faces in face cream which she had replaced with acid.  I wonder if the writer of the screenplay for that early 1950s Noir film had been inspired by having read this comic book story?

This story's plot, with a gang extorting large sums of money from female stars, threatening to harm them badly, is a good one.  The story moved along quickly, and held my interest (to see how Swing would defeat the baddies.  The artwork is average,- not very interesting.  But not bad.  The colouring was average.  I've liked most of the Swing Sisson plots, because they are semi-realistic (at least compared to Superhero stories).  I liked the scene showing that Swing and Toby tied the crooks to windmill blades, and probably threatened to spin the wheel unless they confess their crimes to the police, when the latter arrive.  This is a tactic used in many comic book stories I've read, and in a few comedy films I've seen.  The victims spin around in circles until they become dizzy (but, neither the comics nor the films ever showed them vomiting out their guts before caving in and agreeing to"spill the beans".

Yes QQ, your point about the acid eating into a lamp post, but not a child's toy water pistol.  That water pistol's inner chamber must have been lined with steel.

Swing Sisson - Feature Comics 141
I can identify with the night club scene in USA and Canada during the mid and late 1940s, as many of them were owned by gangsters and crooks, and had illegal gambling back in the private (Club Members Only rooms), as that was the scenario employed in many 1940s and 1950s Noir Films I've enjoyed over the years, as well as detective mystery novels I've read.  Also, during my time in the Music Industry, I've been exposed to the slimy side, including needing to bribe DJs to play our artists' records, and parties with loads of drugs going around, and nightclub owners threatening people (all of which is why I left that business).  But, it makes for good (and realistic) detective stories.  Being a free-lance, roving, nightclub band leader would be a really good disguise for an undercover cop or private detective.

This story about the crook running an illegal (and crooked) gambling operation on his yacht was a good choice.  I agree with others above that it doesn't seem likely that Toby's guitar would pick up electric current from the clicking impulses made by the remote control device to move the roulette ball.  That's something like just making up some pseudo-scientific sounding explanation for a phenomenon needed for the story that seems plausible to the casual reader, who knows little science, or glosses over it too quickly, without stopping to think about it, because it works well enough in the story on the surface level.

Hack O'Hara - Crack Comics 21
Driving a taxi cab late at night in a big city, with a big, international commercial centre, a busy harbour, and political and state and national governmental offices (e.g. a New York clone) is also a good way to get an action hero into the thick of his meat and potatoes.  In this case, it gets O'Hara mixed up in the murder of a well-known diamond merchant, by crooks after an especially valuable set of diamonds.  Hiding behind a gravestone in a graveyard is an interesting way to trap the villains.  And hiding valuable diamonds inside a set of hollow false teeth is an inventive way to hide them while transporting them.  The artwork in this seems a bit better than in "Swing Sisson.  The story is a bit unrealistic (too simplified).  Being only 5 pages, with almost all of its first taken up in a splash panel, is WAY too short for story flow and building up character characteristics and the scenario setting. 

Hack O'Hara - Crack Comics 59
This story, about a wealthy young society lady, who needs a ride to a pierfront warehouse at 3:00 in the late night/early morning, and is delivered there by O'Hara, is wayyyyyyy too short (at 5 pages) to be called a story. And, to my taste, is too short to be worth reading.  It shows only the very basic information that would be written in an outline, not even remotely what would be written in a half-page scenario.  And everything is obvious (cookie cutter standard basic story elements listed in any crime/detective story writer's primer).  O'Hara and his taxi driver colleague break into the warehouse and subdue the gang's guard, and see from the adjacent dock, a schooner.  They swim out to it, and sure enough, it just happens to be owned the the gangster who has kidnapped the rich woman.  Of course the two cabbies subdue the gangster and his sidekick, and all is good with The World. 

in real life, both those cabbies would be fired for leaving their jobs for hours at a time to act as Private Dicks.  And they'd be arrested and fined for withholding information from the police, and interfering with police jurisdiction, and possibly causing crime scenes' evidence to be corrupted.  And, at the time they decided to go to the original crime scene (abduction location), they really had no knowledge of where the victim(s) was(were).  Of course, they should have given the clues they did have (all they knew) to the local police, immediately.  The plot is routine, but COULD be worthy if it were used in a 12-20-page story with room to provide an adequate setting, some character development, and a pace that increases in intensity and suspense.
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Re: Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2023, 10:23:42 AM »

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Hit Comics #61
Cover & Story - Reed Crandall (pencils & inks)

Hit Comics #65
Cover - Reed Crandall (pencils), Les Zakarin (inks)
Story - Reed Crandall (pencils), unknown inks 

thank you. I had deduced that. Nice to see that I was right.
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Re: Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2023, 07:11:28 AM »

Jeb Rivers - Hit Comics 61
I've come across a few Mississippi Riverboat race stories during my 74+ years of comic book reading, including 2 1950s stories starring Uncle Scrooge McDuck.  So, I'm curious to find out how good these Jeb Rivers stories will be.  The artwork looks good, especially the riverboats.
I find it interesting that a character is talking to himself, out loud, rather than thinking (which is unrealistic enough).  But the man who appears to be the villain overhears him, and comments on what he said.  The action scenes are very well-drawn, and look correct in their perspectives, foreshortening, and the ways the human body parts move.  The scenery looks real, as well.  The 13 pages is enough to pace out the story well.  there were no big surprises, but the story worked well enough, anyway, and was very plausible 9unlike many comic book stories).

Jeb Rivers - Hit Comics 65 - "The Lawless Mississippi"
What busybodies Jeb and Catfish are!  Always meddling in other peoples' business, even before they see them do anything wrong, or harmful to anyone or the public good.  This is an inventive story, in which the river pirate villain builds a metal-plated gun boat, patterned after The Confederate states of America's US Civil war gunboat, "The Monitor".  It's too simple that the villains need more men to turn the crank that makes the boat move.  And I can predict that both Jeb and little Catfish, as his prisoners, will agree to help provide some of that needed labour, to go along on the gang's riverboat attacks, to sabotage them.  Naturally, as expected, Jeb sabotages the pirates' boat, to sink it, to avoid sinking his friends' riverboat (The Paragon).  In real life, the head pirate having met Jeb, and knowing he was friendly with the owners of The Paragon, would NEVER have believed that Jeb would switch over to his side, and willingly commit piratical acts, including endangering innocents' lives.  Despite having an obvious plot and expected ending, this story was an entertaining read.  I would have had Jeb in heavy disguise, and had him NOT bring Catfish along when he spied upon the pirates from close range.
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Re: Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2023, 06:45:54 AM »

I'm disappointed that the Quality third-stringers generated so little heat. I guess that's why they're third-stringers.

Swing Sisson

This is a great concept for a series. The setting, a big-city nightclub in the Swing Era, offers countless story springboards. Patrons both high-class and low, mobsters and cops, politicians, all set against the specialized world of popular music.

I've often mentioned my love for music of the 1920s and 1930s. I've frequently wondered what life was like for a musician in those days. There were bands everywhere. Nightclubs and hotels had their own bands. Musicians worked in dance halls and movie houses. Bands large and small went on the road, playing a circuit of medium-sized and small towns.

As Robb has pointed out, the music industry was--and is--not a romantic business. A while ago I talked about my wife's grandfather. He was a band leader and bassist who worked from the 1920s through the 1940s. One day he quit cold, became a realtor, and refused thereafter to discuss his life as a musician. He'd only say that it was a lousy business and everyone should stay out of it. Online I found a woman's story about her own grandfather. He had been a professional musician in the 20s. Though he played music for recreation, he shunned the business and would not discuss his musician days. He often admonished his grandchildren to stay out of the industry. With the coming of the Internet his grandchildren discovered that under a stage name grandpa had been a successful instrumentalist, a band leader who had cut a number of records and had gained a certain critical acclaim. What an industry, to make its participants hate it so! It's the sort of thing great stories are made of.

But back to the subject at hand. Obviously a 1940s comic wouldn't delve too deeply into the nuts and bolts of the music machine. At only six pages per episode they wouldn't be able to delve too deeply into anything. Swing's first set, "Ace of the Bandstand," does a decent job given its brief length. Phil Martin's artwork fits the story nicely. Martin was an interesting fellow. He was 18 when he started drawing Swing Sisson. Later he worked on a couple of newspaper strips. A passion for lettering led him into a career in typography. He designed numerous fonts and ran a phototype licensing company. Here's a 2005 interview with Martin. It's mostly about his typographical career, but Swing gets a shout out.

https://typographica.org/on-typography/interview-phil-martin/

The musical life must be good for the constitution. By issue #141 Swing and Toby have become several years younger. The story is an efficient six-pager, nothing great but good of its type. I think I understand what the author is driving at with the "clicking" business. If the wheel-fixing device runs on high-voltage electricity, turning it on and off might generate electrical interference which would be picked up not by Sammy's guitar but by his amplifier. The effect would sound more like "bzzt bzzt" than "click click" though.

The artwork is competent but lacks Phil Martin's energy. The episode is inked in that overly-slick Brylcreem inking style that became the Quality house look. I wonder who started it. The technique is tied up with the Iger shop. I've thought it might have been Jack Cole's idea, but Chuck Cuidera may have had a hand too. Whoever started it, the Quality ink style spread out into their romance books, crime books, and horror books. On many pencillers it looks decent, if rigid. On others it wreaks havoc. Gene Colan did pencils for at least one Quality romance story which the house ink style rendered absolutely grotesque.

My main complaint about the art also applies to Martin's story. When Swing is on the bandstand we get only the tiniest glimpse of his band. Swing bands had from 7 to as many as 18 musicians. I realize this is comic books, panels are small, bands are hard to draw, pay is low, etc., but it'd be nice to see more attention paid to the ambience. Panel four on our page 23 is a fine example of what I mean. Swing addresses the "boys" but it looks for all the world like the band has one member. Two if you count the clarinet sticking into the panel at right.

I've always been out of touch with the mainstream, and if I were drawing comics for Quality I'd rather work on a feature like Swing Sisson than Doll Man or The Ray. I'd like to build a story around a true-life incident I read in someone's autobiography. Competition was stiff between big city bands. When word got out that a band had a hot new sound, customers would desert their regular venues and flock to follow the new trend. Band A had a strong following because of its catchy arrangements. Band A's leader happened to visit a club on the other side of town and was surprised to hear Band B playing some of his arrangements. It turned out that Band B had found a man with a sharp ear and a superb memory. They hired the guy to sit at their competitor's club and memorize Band A's arrangements. Then he'd go home, write the arrangements down, and pass them on to Band B. That would make a good story.
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Re: Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2023, 07:09:53 AM »

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  As Robb has pointed out, the music industry was--and is--not a romantic business.

There is not a creative endeavor where money can be made where you won't find predators and sharks.
Victims include the likes of Jack Kirby and Chuck Berry. Paul McCarthy lost control of the rights to the Beatles songs twice and had to go to a lot of trouble to buy back control.   
I have on my shelves,
'HIT MEN' by Fredric DANNEN.'
"HIT MEN reveals the seamy side of the music Business. Focusing on the fortunes and misfortunes of CBS, Dannen uncovers a story of payola, corruption, drugs, Mafia, the everyday life of the record industry"
Despite it all, the creative continue to create and enrich our lives.   
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Re: Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2023, 08:08:19 AM »

This is an inventive story, in which the river pirate villain builds a metal-plated gun boat, patterned after The Confederate states of America's US Civil war gunboat, "The Monitor".

Merrimack (or rather, Virginia as the metal was added to a burned ship the Merrimack and renamed the Virginia, but Monitor and Merrimack sounds better). The Monitor was the North's ironclad and looked much different than the ship seen in this story. (Think the bottom of an iron with a cat food can on top.  ;) )

I did a report on it in elementary school and it's managed to remain stuck in my memory ever since.  ;)
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Re: Reading Group #311--Quality's Third-Stringers
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2023, 10:05:28 AM »


This is an inventive story, in which the river pirate villain builds a metal-plated gun boat, patterned after The Confederate states of America's US Civil war gunboat, "The Monitor".

Merrimack (or rather, Virginia as the metal was added to a burned ship the Merrimack and renamed the Virginia, but Monitor and Merrimack sounds better). The Monitor was the North's ironclad and looked much different than the ship seen in this story. (Think the bottom of an iron with a cat food can on top.  ;) )

I did a report on it in elementary school and it's managed to remain stuck in my memory ever since.  ;)


Sorry, I knew it was "The Merrimack", which is what I thought I was writing.  But, I didn't know it was renamed "The Virginia".  So thanks for that information.
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