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The JVJ collection: OtherEric's scans

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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2008, 11:58:25 PM »

Happy Comics 32 is now in the FTP.
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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2008, 12:21:04 AM »

And it's ready for download now.  It looks wonderful, Rez.  Thank you.

The highlight here is a seven page Bruno Bear story by none other than "Fritz" Frazetta!  He also contributes a couple of text illos to the issue.  And just wait until you see 33...
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2008, 05:19:41 PM »

Target Comics V2 N01 now ready for download.

This one is coverless; but Yoc found us a nice scan of the front cover, at least.  I think you'll find this interesting for several reasons; from an unexpected crossover between features to another wonderful Wolverton Spacehawk.

Once again, I'm very interested in feedback on the editing.  I got a bit more ambitious on the color correction here.  Personally, I think it looks really good.  But I need to know what others think; as I'm learning I need feedback because I'm just one set of eyes.
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2008, 05:27:30 PM »

Eric,

Love the Target.  I don't mind the bright colors at all, but if you want to tone em down, reducing the saturation a few points is probably the way to go.  Reds and Yellows are the colors that seem to be affected the most by changes in saturation (and they are also the colors I've noticed fade the most over time, Yellow being the trickiest of colors to deal with imo because grunge seems to show up very easily in it).

While we are on the subject of storage and format, I'd like to recommend .tif as a working format to anyone that is listening.  I used to do my cover restorations in .jpeg until I started to notice a lot of decay during the process. After numerous saves in numerous sessions on needy covers, I noticed that cover images were degrading before my very eyes  :'(.  The scanning community is very tied to the .jpeg format in part I think because their small size makes it easy to transfer them to editors and partly out of habit.  .Tifs are huge (my raws are about 20MB a piece) but they handle very quickly in photoshop.  In fact, one of my .tifs handles faster than a uncompressed 100% quality .jpeg (about 7MB from my scanner).

My personal view is that because these comics are so valuable and that many of these issues will probably only be scanned once that keeping a nice raw at at least 300 dpi .tif is the way to go.  As the accepted file size continues to go up and up along with advances in monitor and storage technology, I think it's smart to keep the raw materials around in case we ever feel the need to return for a new edit.  I think it's safe to say that countless comics have already been scanned that will someday be rescanned which might have been prevented if the original scanner kept their raws.

In my files, I keep one file of raw .tifs for posterity, unaltered (which eases my mind about "preservation" as any alterations I make might improve the comic for viewing but also takes away from what the thing looks like in it's natural state).  This way, if someone else would care to re-edit the comic in a different fashion (less saturation, more white, whatever - a lot of that is a matter of taste), the raws are around so this is possible.  I also keep one copy of my edited .tifs, so that in the future if for some reason I'd like to share a higher resolution image of my hard work, there it is.  My last step in the editing process is to convert the .tifs to .jpeg for sharing.  I guess what I'm saying is that space seems like a meager consideration compared to the labor and value of the comics we are scanning.  The cost of a single DVD to house this raw material is in my estimation miniscule compared to the labor involved not to mention the value of the comic or pulp itself.  I'm sure this sounds crazy to some, but I have around 400gigs of working files (sadly many of which are uncompressed jpegs and I wish I'd always used .tif)  

I'm rambling now, but my point is that these golden age comics are treasures and if some of them are only to be scanned once, I like the idea that the raw scans will be around large and uncut!

Cheers,

Darwin
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2008, 05:40:04 PM »

My current plans are to scan the remaining 28 books in the first group I got from JVJ at 300 DPI .tif files.  I'm definitely concerned with having the raw scans available in case we need to go back to them.  With that said, none of the first four books were scanned like that; I am dithering on going back or not.  I'll probably talk myself into it before I send the books back, but I need the time to convince myself.  While the major focus of the JVJ project is to get nice, readable scans of rare books out to everybody I think keeping good reference copies of the scans is definitely prudent, to say the least.

I tend to like the bright colors myself as well; but I don't want to go overboard and I'm not doing this just for me.  There is probably no one universal standard and my personal biases will show through, of course.  I'll figure it out.  It's worth noting that the early Targets really are very bright books even if the paper is darkish; the colors on Spacehawk in particular are unique for an early 40's book.
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2008, 07:11:14 PM »


Eric, Love the Target.  I don't mind the bright colors at all, but if you want to tone em down, reducing the saturation a few points is probably the way to go.  Reds and Yellows are the colors that seem to be affected the most by changes in saturation (and they are also the colors I've noticed fade the most over time, Yellow being the trickiest of colors to deal with imo because grunge seems to show up very easily in it).


I agree with everything you said, Darwin. Your workflow makes pretty good sense. I would only take exception with using "Saturation" to adjust the colors, especially if not applied as an Adjustment Layer. It's not that it's a wrong way to do it, just that you can accomplish the same thing when you apply Levels (as an Adjustment Layer or otherwise) by moving the gray middle slider to the left to soften the intensity AND you can adjust EACH COLOR separately, too, should you want to pump up the yellows (play with the Blue channel in the Levels channels dropdown menu).

I'm glad to hear you're thinking about an external hard drive, Eric. Darwin is perceptive in noting that someday the technology is going to advance to a point where we'll want to re-edit some of these books. Just think of where we were ten years ago! What file sizes could be transmitted over the fledgling Internet? If you had a 1998 scan of a key book at 1998 file sizes, wouldn't YOU want to re-edit it with what you know now and the tools you have now to take advantage of the increased modern transmission capabilities? If we're preserving these books for the future, let's be perceptive enough to preserve the raw scans, too, for the future Internet.

If you want to compare file sizes, consider the scans that I make for my magazine, ImageS. I scan all of my material at 400 ppi, except for line art with is scanned at 1600 ppi (but in grayscale, not color). The raw scans range from a low of 50 MB to around 300 MB and my current network here has about 3.5 Terabytes of disc space available. The biggest "problem" with Photoshop is that it requires up to 8 times the file size in RAM to process the file for you. So with a 300 MB file, it wants 2.4 GB of RAM or else it uses disc space for RAM and slows down considerably. But 20 MB files only need 160 MB of RAM which is a piece of cake on modern computers.

(If you ever want to know why line art should be scanned at such high resolution, take a gander at the first GA Marvel Masterworks reprint of Marvel Mystery Comics. The line art there was scanned at 300 ppi, and when it was converted to pure black and white, every line got the jaggies and was stairstepped to the point of muddiness. Even the second issue was only scanned at 600 ppi and it still wasn't enough to avoid the jaggies. Pure B&W (as bitmap, not grayscale) requires a lot of data to compensate for the lack of anti-aliasing that "fools" your eyes into perceiving smoothness of line in grayscale reproductions. 1200 to 1600 ppi will do it.)

Speaking of Spacehawk colors, Eric, do we know if Wolverton had any input to the coloring of his stories? I'm noticed that they are somewhat different than the other features in the books and was wondering why

And I am VERY aware of the sad condition of many of my books, but, hey, at least I don't have to worry about them getting too much worse during the scanning process - which is one reason why I'm comfortable loaning them out...

Keep up the good work.
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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2008, 01:20:00 AM »

There is a reason I only bought the first book of the Marvel Mystery Masterworks.  Did they fix the problems on the later books?  Because I was NOT happy with spending $50 on that mess.  (At least the 'best' stories in terms of reproduction were the Sub-mariners, which was what I wanted most.  But even that's a VERY relative 'best')

I don't think I've ever read that Wolverton had coloring input but I'm inclined to think he did, just because of how different they are.  It's too bad that the only remotely recent reprints of the strip are B&W; color is a large part of the effect on some of the stories.
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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2008, 02:49:45 AM »

See, it was relatively easy to recognize the difference, Eric. The early Sub-Mariners were all done in grayscale because Everett used toned paper, so they couldn't reproduce them in line. Hence, the 300 ppi scans were sufficient. The second Masterworks was somewhat improved --- the 600 ppi scans helped, but I don't think they are consistent. By Daring Mystery (vol. 3), they seem to have gotten some of it right, but the different art reconstruction houses had various levels of success. They DID get better, but they still have lots of room for improvement.
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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2008, 06:07:52 AM »

After following Cimms and JVJs conversation of StrWorld5 scanning techniques I'm hesitant to say this but...



For all you late night animals and folks on the other side of the globe there's a mediocre copy of Happy Comics 33 sitting in the FTP.


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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2008, 06:20:33 AM »

There you go again, rez,
being so generous with your descriptions of my comics. "Mediocre" barely covers it with Happy 33. Still, isn't that Frazetta fairy tale GREAT? Some of that stuff is straight out of Prince Valiant. Glad other people are getting to see it. Now back to my Photoshop book. Yuck!
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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2008, 09:18:00 AM »

I'm so glad I threw those two issues of Happy onto my scan wish list at the last second.  The 32 is fun enough, the 33 is spectacular.  Not only do you get a 6 page funny animal story and 2 text illos by Frazetta; you also get a 6 page fairy tale by him.  I think this one is an authentic lost classic; EVERYBODY should give this one a look.

Thank you both, Jim, Rez.
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2008, 10:43:12 PM »

Have to admit that previously I had never given any funny animal stories a second glance but having edited these two books and thus seeing them close I am appalled at my narrowmindedness concerning these gems.

I only wish I had more experience to make a better presentation of a scan is what was meant by mediocre.
I freaking fell over myself reading those fairy tale stories!

Cheers.


There you go again, rez,
being so generous with your descriptions of my comics. "Mediocre" barely covers it with Happy 33. Still, isn't that Frazetta fairy tale GREAT? Some of that stuff is straight out of Prince Valiant. Glad other people are getting to see it. Now back to my Photoshop book. Yuck!
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« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2008, 01:32:16 AM »

Rez you will find Tiff files for Yellowjacket 9 and Merry Comics in your ftp folder. I think all YJ needs is a little straightening as mentioned by Jim. The Merry did not scan as pretty. I will go ahead and put the Merry up for those who do not mind raw scans then I will replace it after your edits. Same with YJ.
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2008, 12:24:50 PM »

Target Comics v3 n01 uploading as I type this, if it's not there yet try again in a few.  Wolverton Spacehawk and a lot of other fun stuff; enjoy!
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2008, 05:33:12 PM »

Thanks Eric!!
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« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2008, 07:41:38 AM »

Authentic Police Cases 1 now available.  One of the pre-Baker issues, but still a nice issue to have.  Enjoy!
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« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2008, 03:30:49 PM »

Target Comics v3 n05 uploading as we speak.  Wolverton Spacehawk, Mickey Spillane Text story, and lots of other fun stuff.

Once again, I really need feedback on the editing on this one.  I got a bit more ambitious, even doing some very limited art restoration.  Some page borders, and 4-5 panels where small chunks were missing on the edge.  Luckily all I needed to fill was a single color plus the panel border and page border.  I need to know if that looks right; I'm not the best judge of my own efforts.

Mostly, though, just enjoy the book!
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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2008, 03:59:39 PM »

It looks great to me Eric.
Looked through it all and never noticed your restoration work which is the best compliment one can get on that type of thing.  :)

-Yoc
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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2008, 08:51:30 PM »


Authentic Police Cases 1 now available.  One of the pre-Baker issues, but still a nice issue to have.  Enjoy!


Eric, Did you by nay chance get Authentic Police Cases #17 from JVJ?  Remember I restored the text pages on the ifc & ibc but was unsure of two words.  Wondering if you had it to verify.

The questioned words were:
ifc 2nd column line 5 last word "jab"?
ifc 2nd column line 11 last words "behind his hip"?


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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2008, 10:47:40 PM »


Target Comics v3 n05 uploading as we speak.


Great issue! Thanks, Eric!  :)
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« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2008, 12:39:48 AM »



Authentic Police Cases 1 now available.  One of the pre-Baker issues, but still a nice issue to have.  Enjoy!

Eric, Did you by nay chance get Authentic Police Cases #17 from JVJ?  Remember I restored the text pages on the ifc & ibc but was unsure of two words.  Wondering if you had it to verify.

The questioned words were:
ifc 2nd column line 5 last word "jab"?
ifc 2nd column line 11 last words "behind his hip"?


No, although I thought of it later that I should have asked for it for just that reason.  I also forgot to grab #4 when what we have up on the site is a mislabeled #8.  I'll try and fill in both holes in my next batch.
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2008, 02:42:13 AM »

Hey you're a moderator -- what's #4 still doing up there.  Delete it  :-)
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« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2008, 02:45:16 AM »

Yep, you can removed files like that Eric.
Go zap that thing.  :)
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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2008, 03:42:40 AM »

HEY, GUYS!
I'm still lurking around here, so I can actually answer your questions, Jon, without sending the Authentic Police Cases 17 to OtherEric.

The answers are "yes" to both. "jab" and "hip." are correct.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2008, 03:46:34 AM »

Oh, sure.  If you want to do things the EASY way...

Thanks, Jim.
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