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Reading Group #323- Keen Detective Funnies (The Eye)

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bowers

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Re: Reading Group #323- Keen Detective Funnies (The Eye)
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2024, 11:58:21 PM »

 Thanks, Panther, for introducing me to 'The Hand'! As far as I can tell, The Hand is just an appendage of an invisible(?) man-like entity. He uses doors and has to use a transom window to escape a locked room, so it seems he is unable to dematerialize and then materialize where he wishes. It also appears that he can elongate his arm, as in the tackle of Saggi and Royce. I'd like to find out more about the guy he's attached to!
Robb, I agree with your comments about a possible lawsuit. But, then again, could Lee Falk have also sued  for using the concept of branding the villians? Awfully like the mark of the Phantom's ring. Cheers, bowers
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2024, 12:40:15 AM »

Bowers,
Thank you for your contribution, please feel free to comment any time.
Frank Thomas definitely needs to be better known.
I will be here with something tomorrow. I haven't decided what to post yet, so it will be a surprise to me too.
Decisions, Decisions. 
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2024, 01:29:33 AM »

There were not a lot of comments for this selection. But there were very few comments as a whole on CB+ over that period. I put that down to summer in the northern hemisphere and people being on holidays or taking advantage of the sun and traveling.   
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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2024, 05:09:34 AM »

Late to dinner again...this is getting to be a habit.

I love these early Centaur books and have read most of them before. The combination of off-the-wall ideas and rough-edged storytelling in the earliest comic books really appeals to me.

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The Masked Marvel is about as low-rent a hero as one could wish for. A suit and a cheap mask and presto! You're a crime fighter. I wonder why the MM even bothers wearing a mask since he doesn't seem to have a civilian identity to protect. Ben Thompson wrote and drew lots of MM stories but they never delved any deeper into the Marvel gang's backstory than this. When poor ZL bites the dust it's hard to feel sorry since he had no personality. Remembering that Golden Age comics were usually drawn twice printed size, roughly 15x20 inches (38x50 cm or so), the lettering on our page 14, panel 2, would have been huge!

Spark O'Leary is just one example of how pervasive Milton Caniff's influence was in early comic art. Pat Ryan, Burma, and the Dragon Lady popped up in hundreds of stories under different names, with their likenesses dependent upon the artist's ability and the available swipes. This story confused me. Apparently the fake countess hopes to collect insurance on a fake diamond. What about the real countess? Doesn't she still have the real diamond? Or is there no real countess and no real diamond? In that case how would the fake countess have been able to insure her fake diamond in the first place?

Dan Dennis suffers from Lazy Artist Syndrome. Gilman either pushes the camera in too close or pulls it too far back to avoid extra work and the story's clarity suffers. The thing that bugs me most is that Gilman refuses to draw the Organ of Destruction. We just see the corners of what might as well be a packing crate. As for the Organ itself, it sounds vaguely pornographic...and why is the key (button? lever?) that paralyzes people labeled "personal"? All very curious.

Foggy Night displays the other huge influence on early cartoonists: Alex Raymond. The splash panel drawing must have been swiped a million times by Golden Age artists. Like Gilman, Frollo prefers to draw a figure or two and slough off everything else. We never get a clear idea where the elusive Shorty is in relation to Jerry (our pages 32 and 33). For that matter we never get a clear idea of what Shorty even looks like. And where is this fog of which they speak?

The Doctor's Revenge: Clair Moe is one of the better artists in the book though it's hard to tell his characters apart in many panels.

The Devil God Murder Case is silly fun. I can just picture that huge bronze statue ambling back home to the museum after cartoony Li Wan buys the farm. Does the statue have his own key?

I'm an Eye fan while admitting I don't know who the hell he/she/it is supposed to be. Someone mentioned The Shadow. I can imagine The Shadow being a partial inspiration for The Eye. Remember "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!" But Frank Thomas takes that notion to the extreme. Thomas' art is pretty good (Caniff influence strikes again). The Eye seems rather bloodthirsty. As I understand the story the two goons haven't murdered anyone yet but The Eye kills them anyway. Maybe The Eye figured they were going to murder Mattes so he might as well execute them now.

In Dean Denton, Scientific Detective Harry Campbell puts more effort into his story and his art than most of the other creators in this issue. The science is phony but hey, he tries. Interesting that Campbell's influence is neither Caniff nor Raymond but rather Roy Crane.

As for the short features: most of the Comicrimes base their conclusions on facts not in evidence. I'm sure I'll be ready to ace the G-Man Exams after reading a few more of these lessons. The other fillers are so forgettable I've already forgotten them. One thing sticks out from the sea of text in the Johnson Smith ad: as written, "How to Build 1- and 2-Passenger Flying Planes" promises that you can make a genuine flight-capable passenger-carrying airplane from junk parts! To quote Grover, Are you out of your mind??!!

Final note: a couple of years ago when I was learning how to draw digitally I did an Eye illustration which I append below.

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« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2024, 06:27:50 AM »


Late to dinner again...this is getting to be a habit.

I love these early Centaur books and have read most of them before. (1) The combination of off-the-wall ideas and rough-edged storytelling in the earliest comic books really appeals to me.

Keen Detective Funnies 16

The Masked Marvel is about as low-rent a hero as one could wish for. A suit and a cheap mask and presto! You're a crime fighter. (2) I wonder why the MM even bothers wearing a mask since he doesn't seem to have a civilian identity to protect. Ben Thompson wrote and drew lots of MM stories but they never delved any deeper into the Marvel gang's backstory than this. When poor ZL bites the dust it's hard to feel sorry since he had no personality. Remembering that Golden Age comics were usually drawn twice printed size, roughly 15x20 inches (38x50 cm or so), the lettering on our page 14, panel 2, would have been huge!

I'm an Eye fan, (3) while admitting I don't know who the hell he/she/it is supposed to be. Someone mentioned The Shadow. I can imagine The Shadow being a partial inspiration for The Eye. Remember "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!" But Frank Thomas takes that notion to the extreme. Thomas' art is pretty good (Caniff influence strikes again). (4)  The Eye seems rather bloodthirsty. As I understand the story the two goons haven't murdered anyone yet but The Eye kills them anyway. Maybe The Eye figured they were going to murder Mattes so he might as well execute them now.

(4) One thing sticks out from the sea of text in the Johnson Smith ad: as written, "How to Build 1- and 2-Passenger Flying Planes" promises that you can make a genuine flight-capable passenger-carrying airplane from junk parts! To quote Grover, Are you out of your mind??!!

Final note: a couple of years ago when I was learning how to draw digitally I did an Eye illustration which I append below.
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(1)  Yes, I've found many of the Chesler/Centaur books' writers to have come up with clever and creative story plot ideas and features.  Maybe that was because it was very early in the comic book publication industry, and writers took much of their inspiration from The Pulps, feature and B and C films, and serial short films of the recent past?  Unfortunately, a lot of the artwork in those early days was simple and crude, and not nearly as realistic as it became in the later 1940s and 1950s.

(2)  Yes, I found it ridiculous that the public accepted, without thinking deeply about it, that crime-fighting crusaders were willing to wage full-time war against criminals, seemingly without monetary remuneration for their time, with no visible means of earning a living.  They should have organised a charity to pay their local superheroes, and made them tax-exempt, so they could pay their rent, mortgages, and buy food!

(3)  Do you think "The Eye" was just a normal-sized human, who spied on criminals and tried to scare them and warn their potential victims by projecting a magnified image of a smaller model of a detached eye, or drawing of one? - And that that human had an arsenal of powerful weapons he used to destroy them?

(4)  I think I'd avoid taking a ride in such a plane, at all costs!  I think I'd rather fly on Egypt Air, or some of the local African airlines, or even Aeroflot than risk my life on a home-made one or 2-seater made with junk parts.  I wonder if a real 2 seater has been made with Legos???

(5)  That's a great, really well-drawn splash panel of "The Eye" that you drew.  Did you also write and draw a complete "Eye" story?
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« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2024, 10:27:10 AM »

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I think I'd rather fly on Egypt Air, 

I did fly on Egypt Air, to Egypt and then down to Ghana.
It was the best choice to get me where I was going, but also, I felt really safe, I doubted we would be hijacked!   
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2024, 06:24:55 PM »

For those interested by The Masked Marvel, we have a 1946 small French comic, Le Faucon, which features The Masked Marvel here called L'Homme Masque'
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=30060
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2024, 08:04:54 PM »

Thanks, Paw! Cheers, bowers
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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2024, 09:31:48 PM »


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I think I'd rather fly on Egypt Air, 

I did fly on Egypt Air, to Egypt and then down to Ghana.
It was the best choice to get me where I was going, but also, I felt really safe, I doubted we would be hijacked!

I flew a tiny 24-seater from Cairo to Aswan on Egypt-Air during the 1970s.  We were buffeted by strong winds, and I wondered if we'd arrive without crashing.  The stewardesses served unpackaged pieces of candy by handing them to passengers with their bare hands. This is the same country, mind you, where lots of terrible diseases are floating around in The Nile River (a main source of drinking water in that country), and my own brother ate in a restaurant there, at which his travelling partner contacted a deadly intestinal parasite, and had to be flown immediately back to Italy, because they didn't trust the lack of cleanliness in Egyptian hospitals. 
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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2024, 11:54:35 PM »

Hobbling in with my final comment...

Keen Detective Funnies #20

A quick comment on the word "Funnies" in the title. Others have pointed out that American newspaper comic sections were once popularly called "the funny papers" or "the funnies." That's how my dad (born 1917) and my mom (b. 1922) referred to them (my brother and I called them "the comics"). It makes sense since 99% of newspaper strips from their start in the late 1800s through the early 1930s were humor strips. I haven't dug too deeply into the earliest adventure strips, but from what I've seen the first ones appeared in the late 1920s. They were rare. I have a copy of the April 1933 issue of Fortune magazine, with a long article about contemporary comic strips titled "The Funny Papers." The only adventure strip they acknowledge is the Tarzan daily which began in 1929. Buck Rogers, which started at the same time as Tarzan, isn't mentioned. Neither is Dick Tracy, which started in 1931. The article refers to continuity strips that aren't especially funny like Little Orphan Annie and Gasoline Alley, but the overwhelming message is that the funny papers are funny and are big business. The Fortune article appeared at an interesting time: the very next year marked the debut of two newspaper strips that would conquer the world, Flash Gordon and Terry and the Pirates. To be fair, both strips ran for about two years before catching the public imagination.

Years ago I read a magazine article from the early or mid-1940s complaining that "The Funnies Aren't Funny Anymore" because they'd been taken over by blood-and-thunder adventure comics. I'd love a chance to reread that article.

Anyway, back to our feature presentation.

Great frenzied-action cover!

The Eye is more homicidal than ever. He(?) is apparently a fierce protector of American immigration law. Just when did smuggling clueless immigrants into the USA become a capital offense? The Eye not only murders the traffickers but also takes sadistic pleasure in watching them die. Nice guy!

Dean Denton: I'm not all that conversant with magnetic mines, but this switching-polarity gimmick seems mostly hooey. I wonder if afterward Denton used his cyclotron to smash a few atoms. Tex Blaisdell's panel compositions are awkward though his art is competent. I liked Harry Campbell's art better.

Dan Dennis: This makes two DD's in one comic. Sam Gilman's art is barely adequate. The well-drawn car on page 22 calls attention to the sloppy drawings everywhere else. The story is routine.

How to Be an Amateur G-Man: That's a really nicely-lettered logo. What the heck does tapping dots onto a paper have to do with one's nerve health? A dictionary code is useful and hard to break, but numbering every word in two copies of the dictionary??!! The version I learned in junior high (from Herbert Zim's Codes and Secret Writing was much quicker. You encoded each word by writing the dictionary page number followed by the number of the word on that page. 75-18 would mean page 75, 18th entry. The sender and receiver of the code had to have identical editions of the same dictionary to decode a message.

Wasn't TNT Todd the name of a one-shot Golden Age superhero? As a G-Man he isn't much. The story reads as if writer/artist Victor Pazmino is setting things up for Mr Death to take over the strip. Is this the same Victor Pazmino who did all those cartoon strips as VEP? It's not the most common name. The art is crude.

Detectionotes: Can you firearms fans confirm that a large-caliber bullet fired from a distance would put a neat hole in window glass? I thought it'd break the glass whether fired close or from afar.

Dean Masters, D.A. packs much frenetic action into six pages. The more I tried to understand the plot the less sense it made. Clair Moe's art isn't as strong as in the earlier issue.

Spy Hunters: I'd never heard of L(ochlan) Field, so I looked him up on Lambiek. Seems he left comics in 1942 to "pursue a military career." In the 60s he was teaching at an art school in Vermont. Field's Caniff-inspired art looks like someone who'd be pretty good with a couple of years' practice. The framing device of talking to the reader is an odd choice. The story is okay.

The Masked Marvel has been demoted to a back-up feature and he seems to have lost his remaining Z-men. He also seems to have gained super powers.

Crime Crushers: Intrigued, I googled William Sheridan and learned that this description is accurate. Sheridan was active from 1886 into the early 1910s. He had a photographic memory ("eidetic" seems to be the proper term) and was instrumental in finding and arresting countless baddies for the NYPD. I found a newspaper article from 1910 stating that "an affliction of the eyes" had caused Sheridan to retire. He had entered into a "partnership with William J. Burns, former secret service man, who is official guard of the 1,400 banks in the American Bankers’ association, a trust formerly held by the Pinkerton agency." Sheridan died in 1934 at the age of 73.

With any luck this link will take you to a copy of the 1910 article:
https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SPDN19100129.2.31
A funny goof: The easy-reading version of the article at the left side of the screen was generated by automated character recognition. A phrase in the headline, will guard banks as partner of Burns is rendered as will guard banks as partner of bums.

In this episode Spark O'Leary acts more like a private police force than a radio newsman. The story lurches from point to point and the abrupt ending is a classic. O'Leary has nothing to do with the capture of the crook or the rescue of the hypnotist. The hypnotist rescues himself!

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« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2024, 06:52:54 PM »

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The Doctor's Revenge: Clair Moe is one of the better artists in the book though it's hard to tell his characters apart in many panels.

Clair Moe is a woman:
http://alphabettenthletter.blogspot.com/search/label/Claire%20S%20Moe
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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2024, 02:22:50 AM »


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The Doctor's Revenge: Clair Moe is one of the better artists in the book though it's hard to tell his characters apart in many panels.

Clair Moe is a woman:
http://alphabettenthletter.blogspot.com/search/label/Claire%20S%20Moe


Thanks for the extra info about Claire Moe. I just did a quick search and she has contributed to a number of books on this site. I'll have to check out some of the other women mentioned in that article. We've looked at Tarpe Mills, Lily Renee and (I think) Ruth Roche before, but I'm not sure about the others.

Cheers

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