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Reading Group # 333 - At Random

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The Australian Panther

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Reading Group # 333 - At Random
« on: September 30, 2024, 12:45:04 AM »

I thought I saved a link to a book I wanted to highlight, but I've lost it. However here are a few interesting books I was looking at recently.
I'll let you unlock them yourself.

Spitfire Comics 1
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=27074


Let's Pretend 2
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=24399

All-new short story comics. #2
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=37526

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Re: Reading Group # 333 - At Random
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2024, 01:51:14 AM »

I had a read of the short stories. What I learned from it is that some of the GA short stories would have people believing they were AI written if they were republished today. I don't mean that disrespectfully to their creators: the drawing and colouring is often very good, better than many modern comics, and the stories are enjoyable. The problem is that with such an incredibly large supply of comics focused on one topic (the war) and obliged to present one side as the "good guys", there is only so much you can do.

In the "Mystery of the Hilarious Flight" I knew from the very first panel what would happen with just one small detail I got wrong.

"Depth Charge" could have been really good if a bit more effort was made to present the underwater world as different to land. All that we really saw was a few bubbles.

As always, I enjoyed looking at new comics and seeing creativity from a different age. Thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2024, 07:46:19 AM »


I had a read of the short stories...

"Depth Charge" could have been really good if a bit more effort was made to present the underwater world as different to land. All that we really saw was a few bubbles.



I felt the same, Greg. At one stage, I thought they must have come up onto land, but then I saw the bubbles and realised it was happening under water. Everything was just the same, including the heavy moving equipment. There really wasn't much to indicate how life under water was different. A poor relative to Aquaman and Submariner?

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Re: Reading Group # 333 - At Random
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2024, 08:45:45 AM »

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  "Depth Charge" could have been really good if a bit more effort was made to present the underwater world as different to land. All that we really saw was a few bubbles. 

I have long had this criticism of 'underwater' heroes like Submariner and Aquaman. We only ever see bits and pieces of underwater cities like Atlantis, and dull lifeless colourless backgronds.
Admittedly, the two Aquaman movies did create a complex underwater world, but usually this doeesn't much happen.
In this story, people don't swim, they walk. Somebody executes  tackle underwater, Those machines are land machines and how do you blow a horn underwater? Very poor.   
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2024, 11:44:41 PM »


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  "Depth Charge" could have been really good if a bit more effort was made to present the underwater world as different to land. All that we really saw was a few bubbles. 

I have long had this criticism of 'underwater' heroes like Submariner and Aquaman. We only ever see bits and pieces of underwater cities like Atlantis, and dull lifeless colourless backgronds.
Admittedly, the two Aquaman movies did create a complex underwater world, but usually this doeesn't much happen.
In this story, people don't swim, they walk. Somebody executes  tackle underwater, Those machines are land machines and how do you blow a horn underwater? Very poor.

It's pretty sad when a "Funny Animal" comics artist and storywriter produces a story about an underwater city that makes more sense logically (story logic) and sciencewise, than the many human character, so-called "more realistic" stories in the superhero/action adventure genres.  Carl Barks' 1954 Uncle Scrooge untitled "City Under The Sea" story makes more sense by story logic, and the science (although a bit fantastic) has far less impossible scientific ramifications than the underwater cities described in these posts so far.  And yet many superhero fans mock me for being such a big fan of enjoying stories whose main characters, or ALL characters are hybrids of humans and non-human animals.
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2024, 07:21:56 AM »


It's pretty sad when a "Funny Animal" comics artist and storywriter produces a story about an underwater city that makes more sense logically (story logic) and sciencewise, than the many human character, so-called "more realistic" stories in the superhero/action adventure genres.  Carl Barks' 1954 Uncle Scrooge untitled "City Under The Sea" story makes more sense by story logic, and the science (although a bit fantastic) has far less impossible scientific ramifications than the underwater cities described in these posts so far.  And yet many superhero fans mock me for being such a big fan of enjoying stories whose main characters, or ALL characters are hybrids of humans and non-human animals.


That's bad that people have mocked you for liking those types of stories, Robb. Everyone has different tastes and is entitled to their opinions. I grew up watching a lot of the human-like animal characters in cartoons and the odd comic book when I could get my hands on them. I still love Rocky and Bullwinkle. My local comic book store is still stocking the various Scooby Doo comics  and I still read them (though I guess he has always been depicted as more of a fun dog than a human-like dog). And of course some of the strip cartoon characters like Snoopy, Woodstock, and Garfield. I was helping a young girl with her reading for a few years and she loved Krypto. The story is the most important thing to me. If it's a good story, I don't mind if it's a human, a human-like animal, a superhero or an alien.

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Re: Reading Group # 333 - At Random
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2024, 02:26:21 PM »

Robb, I would never mock you for your fascination with, enjoyment of, funny animal comics.  ( Perhaps we should have a different phrase for this genre) In fact, I can't understand the mentality of anyone who would do such a thing.
  Just because a lot of of the titles and characters you post about and enjoy do not appeal to me is simply a taste thing, although, as I've written previously, I love the Ducks, Rupert Bear, Old Boot and others. 
Your post takes me back to  earlier times when, here in Scotland, to admit to reading comics invited ridicule from many people.
It always seemed odd that some personality disabled blokes would react like that when I was the one playing in a blues band, had a girlfriend, one of the coolest in our school, and they didn't.  Many older people looked down on comics back then, considering them to be trash.
Comics were fun, still are, well, some of them. 
City Under The Sea might sem a bit fantastic, but it's comics and a great story.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2024, 02:47:22 AM »

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  It's pretty sad when a "Funny Animal" comics artist and storywriter produces a story about an underwater city that makes more sense logically (story logic) and sciencewise, than the many human character, so-called "more realistic" stories in the superhero/action adventure genres. 

Barks works also make more sense logically and are more coherent stories than much of the work of other 'Funny Animal' comics, even most of the other Disney Comic Book artists, that's why he is considered a master.
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And yet many superhero fans mock me for being such a big fan of enjoying stories whose main characters, or ALL characters are hybrids of humans and non-human animals. 
 
I've always enjoyed pretty much any genre of comic  book story-telling, including Archie, the Warner brothers Cartoon comics, (which aren't a patch on the animated cartoons) Krazy Kat, Felix, Sylvester and Hobbs and  Top Cat, to name only a few. Some more than others. [Not a fan of Garfield]
Robb, I don't recall, and I may be wrong, that anybody on this Forum has mocked you. So, that, I assume must have occurred in other contexts.
I also, note that you 'fought against the pricks' {Shakespearean reference) and made 'Funny Animal' comics your career. Something to be proud of.
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Re: Reading Group # 333 - At Random
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2024, 08:49:51 AM »


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  It's pretty sad when a "Funny Animal" comics artist and storywriter produces a story about an underwater city that makes more sense logically (story logic) and sciencewise, than the many human character, so-called "more realistic" stories in the superhero/action adventure genres. 

Barks works also make more sense logically and are more coherent stories than much of the work of other 'Funny Animal' comics, even most of the other Disney Comic Book artists, that's why he is considered a master.
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And yet many superhero fans mock me for being such a big fan of enjoying stories whose main characters, or ALL characters are hybrids of humans and non-human animals. 
 
I've always enjoyed pretty much any genre of comic  book story-telling, including Archie, the Warner brothers Cartoon comics, (which aren't a patch on the animated cartoons) Krazy Kat, Felix, Sylvester and Hobbs and  Top Cat, to name only a few. Some more than others. [Not a fan of Garfield]
Robb, I don't recall, and I may be wrong, that anybody on this Forum has mocked you. So, that, I assume must have occurred in other contexts.
I also, note that you 'fought against the pricks' {Shakespearean reference) and made 'Funny Animal' comics your career. Something to be proud of.
cheers!

You are correct, that no one on this forum mocked me, or put down "funny animal" comics as "childish".  But yes, many superhero fans have done so, demonstrating their ignorance of human nature and people's motivations for doing what they do.  Actually, I met many, if not most of the people with that attitude after I attended art school and start my comics-related career.  So, I didn't "fight against their attitude" by taking up my childhood hobby.  My hobby unexpectedly led to my having a career doing something I love, after 15 years of doing something that I was only lukewarm to, and didn't give me, even remotely, the same level of satisfaction.  It was more after I was working in the field and attending comics conventions, and coming across superhero and action-based adventure comics fans who couldn't believe a well-educated adult like me would never have "graduated" to comics aimed at older children, then teens, and later adults.  Part of that reaction may have come from my telling them that I never liked "Superhero Comics" because they seemed all the same to me, a concept that was so impossible to me that it wasn't interesting after reading the first one, which was an interesting idea.  And because I told them that all those I've read had lots of logic errors, and seemed to have been written by people who didn't know much about their story's subject. 

They also couldn't understand that it was mainly the artwork that drew me to comic books, and enjoying creating them; and that if I were just interested in being entertained by a story, I'd much rather read a long book, that would be much more detailed than a comic book, or even the longest graphic novel could possibly be. 

Most of the people I've met with that narrow attitude were teens, men in their 20s or 30s, who seemed to be "groupies or "fanboys", who probably had very little in their lives other than reading comic books and collecting them and other related memorabelia.  Luckily, they are NOT like us, and the type of literature and arts-loving nostalgists and arts preservationist types who frequent this website, and DCM, or work on GCD, or film preservation societies, and work in the creative arts or do those things as a hobby. 

I guess that because so many posters on this website are superhero fans, I subconsciously illogically, and wrongly "project" those narrow attitudes I've encountered onto "ALL Superhero Fans" EXCEPT those that I KNOW have other interests in other comics genres.  I suspect that deep down I am disappointed that The "Funny Animal" genre is not very well represented on this forum in terms of number of threads and people going deeply into the subject.  I guess my interest would lie in a forum for 1920s through '50s Funny Animal animation and comic strips and comic books, with both creators and fans as members.  It probably wouldn't work, as unlike myself (who lives basically in the long past) most people live in the present.  Almost every creator who created the films and comics from my youth are gone now, or in such bad health that they participate in such a forum.  I am a member of The Dutch Disney Comics Forum, and The Danish one, as well, as well as The International Disney Comics Forum.  But, I don't care much about what The Danes are producing now, and The International Forum is populated mostly by fans who just want to talk about their favourite characters, make Duck and Mouse family trees, maps of Duckburg and Mouseton(Mouseville), and talk about which characters should be used more.  The Dutch Forum is dying (only a few teenagers left who talk about what members of the International forum do.  It's good for finding out what some readers like and don't like.  But not very interesting during the last 10 years.

This is the best comics forum I've found, because it's a good source to learn about the history of the comic strip and comic book industry in the various countries, and learn about the artists and writers, and how to recognise their styles, and learn about what readers like and don't like, and, thus, what makes a good story, and why. 

Sorry for taking this WAYYY off-topic.  I'll try to read the comics featured on this thread and comment on them.  I actually have one of the books on this thread, "Let's Pretend 2" (I have all 3 of those).  The other 2 look interesting.  I'll try to get to them over the next week.
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Re: Reading Group # 333 - At Random
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2024, 11:56:28 PM »

Spitfire Comics #1

The Spitfire
Sooooo... Spitfire's superpower is... the ability to release gas? Wow! I've had a superpower all my life! Especially after eating beans!  ;D

Nice to know that planes are so easy to fly that someone who is 200 years out of date can figure it out on the fly.  ;)

There's usually a bit of suspending your disbelief in a superhero story, but this suspends it so much it becomes unintentionally laughable.


Crocky Doyle
I kept expecting the main character's name, which I guess was a pun on crocodile, to play some part in the story. I mean why give your character such a weird name, but do nothing with it?


Fly-Man
What was the purpose of Dr. Foster's experiment? What was he hoping to gain by shrinking people? Did he run any tests on animals before deciding to sacrifice his son? Given that Clip had told his manager about the experiment, it would make more sense for Banks to have his men volunteer to be shrunk and have Clip's shrinking be some kind of accident.


The Clown
Judd sure has a lot of patience dealing with the Clown. I'd have expected him to shoot him rather than agree to show him the books.


Buckskin Boys
Ugh. I think the writer was aiming this story at 5-year olds. It wouldn't surprise me if the 'secret code' turned out to be pig latin.


Gary Morgan (no relation  ;) )
It's funny how often Morgan turns up as a name for either a bad guy or a not very nice guy, and I used to keep track of the few good Morgans in fiction. Anyone else pay attention to how their name is used in fiction?

This guy gets into more trouble than Jimmy Olsen, and not in the wild & crazy way either, Gary just commits acts that would result in criminal charges.


The Magician from Bagdad
Okay. Interesting that instead of sending the magician to the writer's present he actually sent the guy to his future, the far distant 1990.


Rurik the Sea King
I was wondering if there were swipes from Prince Valiant and then I noticed the note at the GCD confirming it.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2024, 12:36:53 AM »

Let's Pretend #2

With Nila Mack's name right there on the cover, it's odd that Bails had her in his Who's Who as just N. Mack. Not sure whether she was just credited as editor and someone else did the work or if she actually did the work, but here's a nice write up on her https://wednesdayswomen.com/nila-mack-the-fairy-godmother-of-depression-era-radio/ she also has a Wikipedia page.


Drakestail
Man this character is annoying. I was almost siding with the king on getting rid of him.  ;)


The White Cat
Predictable, but okay.


Sweet Porridge
Huh... the story feels old, but then they have radio and movie theaters trying to set this story in the present. Odd.


The Conceited Dragon
Simple, but otherwise okay.


Hop O'My Thumb
A couple of short incidents stuck together to make a longer story with an ending that feels frivolous.


How Wishes Came True for Jim and Betty!
So if Jim has trouble selling White Cloverine, do you think he pulls out his rifle and 'encourages' customers to buy?  ;)
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2024, 05:18:39 AM »



Quote
  "Depth Charge" could have been really good if a bit more effort was made to present the underwater world as different to land. All that we really saw was a few bubbles. 

I have long had this criticism of 'underwater' heroes like Submariner and Aquaman. We only ever see bits and pieces of underwater cities like Atlantis, and dull lifeless colourless backgronds.
Admittedly, the two Aquaman movies did create a complex underwater world, but usually this doeesn't much happen.
In this story, people don't swim, they walk. Somebody executes  tackle underwater, Those machines are land machines and how do you blow a horn underwater? Very poor.

It's pretty sad when a "Funny Animal" comics artist and storywriter produces a story about an underwater city that makes more sense logically (story logic) and sciencewise, than the many human character, so-called "more realistic" stories in the superhero/action adventure genres.  Carl Barks' 1954 Uncle Scrooge untitled "City Under The Sea" story makes more sense by story logic, and the science (although a bit fantastic) has far less impossible scientific ramifications than the underwater cities described in these posts so far.  And yet many superhero fans mock me for being such a big fan of enjoying stories whose main characters, or ALL characters are hybrids of humans and non-human animals.


Thanks for this recommendation, Robb. The only hit that came up when I searched here for "city under the sea" was a Dick Barton comic. Is that part of the same story? Or is it not public domain?
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Re: Reading Group # 333 - At Random
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2024, 06:34:13 AM »

Actually, 'The city under the sea' (often Atlantis) was a standard trope in Comic books, pulp fiction, Movies and TV.
If this link works for you, there are several here.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=%27city+under+the+sea%27+comic+story+&atb=v289-1&ia=web.
There are many one-off stories in books here on CB+.
Here is a Gold Key limited series which was in the back of their 'Lost in Space'. Look through the Dell and Gold Key listings here and you will find more.
SHIPWRECKED IN UNCHARTED TERRITORY, GOLD KEY'S CAPTAIN VENTURE !!!
https://beachbumcomics.blogspot.com/2014/10/shipwrecked-in-uncharted-territory-gold.html
I note also, that there was a 'Duck Tales' 'City under the sea' story, likely based on Barks work.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2024, 08:10:53 AM »

Many of you won't know the British tv serial with Gerald Flood, City Beneath the Sea. Followed  by Secret Beneath the Sea.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0055665/

This followed the sf serials Pathfinders in Space/ Mars/ Venus.
All available on dvd.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2024, 02:16:34 AM »

Paw broon and TAP, thank you chaps.
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2024, 04:33:32 AM »

All-New Short Story Comics #2

Mystery of the Hilarious Flight!
I wonder if any authorities will believe Elliott's story that Hamilton is a traitor? For all anyone knows Elliott fell victim to the same thing that happened to the other pilots when he shot down his superior's plane.


Crisis On Kiel Canal
Feels like it was written by someone with little experience on tactics and war.


The Story Behind the Cover
Eh, okay, but I found it odd that Williams was described as manipulating pebbles with his toes, when at no point was it mentioned he had his shoes off. Did he do it? Did the Germans do it? Just seemed awfully convenient.


Depth Charge
You'd think with a name like Barry Kuda the stories would be more humorous.


Judy Joy
Uhhhh... the writer seemed to be all over the place with this comic. I think Milt Gross had more well-thought out stories.


Case of the Crumbling Skyscrapers
The Baxter Building has been blown up? Well, so much for the Fantastic Four.  ;)

Okay, but nothing special superhero tale.


The Curse of Gold
That's a pretty colorful invisible cloak. Why go to such effort for a garment that's meant to disappear?


Mo, Joe & Co.
While not great I think it made more sense than Judy Joy.


Old Lady Dynamite
Kind of plods along.
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2024, 07:49:26 AM »

Spitfire Comics

I'll just comment on a couple of these stories.

Fly-Man

There's some good art in some of the panels (e.g., the punch on the second page and the full body shot in front of the locker on the third page), though it's a bit inconsistent elsewhere. I guess the speed at which they had to produce these comic books meant they couldn't give the same detail throughout.

It's basically an origin story, but there are a number of inconsistencies or lapses in logic. For example, Clip Foster has just won the world heavyweight title, yet seems all too eager to be a guinea pig in his dad's experiment, even though there is so far no antidote to return him to normal size. Why would his father want him to fight crime as a 12-inch man, even having already prepared a little suit for him? Clip crashes into a bottle of acid and shrieks in agony before falling unconscious to the floor. But then he regains his senses and just carries on as if nothing has happened. Did the acid somehow contribute to his powers?

I know we have to suspend disbelief in any superhero story, but you want it to at least make sense within the story world that's been created. Too many gaps in this one.

Gary Morgan Foreign Correspondent

He certainly swings a lot of punches for a newspaper guy. He's a one-man army. I thought the action jumped from place to place, but then I realised it's another origin story. But do they really have to make him a foreign correspondent because he'd get in trouble in Canada if he came back? Perhaps he shouldn't have been so free with his punches.

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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2024, 07:53:01 AM »


Spitfire Comics #1

Fly-Man
What was the purpose of Dr. Foster's experiment? What was he hoping to gain by shrinking people? Did he run any tests on animals before deciding to sacrifice his son? Given that Clip had told his manager about the experiment, it would make more sense for Banks to have his men volunteer to be shrunk and have Clip's shrinking be some kind of accident.

Gary Morgan (no relation  ;) )

This guy gets into more trouble than Jimmy Olsen, and not in the wild & crazy way either, Gary just commits acts that would result in criminal charges.



Yes, I agree Super. The Fly-Man has a lot of leaps of logic and Gary Morgan is a hot-head. It's the first issue, so they're setting up origin stories, but a few too many gaps and inconsistencies for me.

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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2024, 07:19:56 PM »

Q.Q.; I always liked the art in the Krypto comics, plus he had better dialogue balloons then most of the other characters.
‘Super, these experiments were done in the Good Old Days, when science didn’t NEED no stinkin’ purpose. I mean, if you COULD shrink people, wouldn’t you just HAVE to???
Robb, some folks are just boneheads.  I always remember that the president of Coca Cola was really mad when he first saw GHOSTBUSTERS. He was CERTAIN the movie would bomb and take precious resources away what he thought was a really GOOD idea...New Coke. Same thing with anybody who does not appreciate Carl Barks or Gottfredson because they aren’t super heroes. You just have to shake your head.
You were right about SPITFIRE COMICS ‘Panther, it was very much better than the usual fare you got back then. Good strong issue.
And yeah, it’s too bad Scarlett Nemesis and Black Orchid didn’t launch successfully. The art was a lot better than many origin stories of heroes who did catch on.
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2024, 10:02:21 PM »




Quote
  "Depth Charge" could have been really good if a bit more effort was made to present the underwater world as different to land. All that we really saw was a few bubbles. 

I have long had this criticism of 'underwater' heroes like Submariner and Aquaman. We only ever see bits and pieces of underwater cities like Atlantis, and dull lifeless colourless backgronds.
Admittedly, the two Aquaman movies did create a complex underwater world, but usually this doeesn't much happen.
In this story, people don't swim, they walk. Somebody executes  tackle underwater, Those machines are land machines and how do you blow a horn underwater? Very poor.

It's pretty sad when a "Funny Animal" comics artist and storywriter produces a story about an underwater city that makes more sense logically (story logic) and sciencewise, than the many human character, so-called "more realistic" stories in the superhero/action adventure genres.  Carl Barks' 1954 Uncle Scrooge untitled "City Under The Sea" story makes more sense by story logic, and the science (although a bit fantastic) has far less impossible scientific ramifications than the underwater cities described in these posts so far.  And yet many superhero fans mock me for being such a big fan of enjoying stories whose main characters, or ALL characters are hybrids of humans and non-human animals.

Thanks for this recommendation, Robb. The only hit that came up when I searched here for "city under the sea" was a Dick Barton comic. Is that part of the same story? Or is it not public domain?

Carl Barks' original, 1954, "Atlantis Story" was printed without a title.  Many years later, it was given the title, "The Sunken City".  And, yes, like ALL Disney Comics, it is still NOT in The PD.  No, The Dick Barton story is a completely different story.  I don't know the latter's PD or Copyright status.

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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2024, 10:21:37 AM »

Spitfire Comics 1

(1) The Spitfire -
The Spitfire's origin story.  The eventual fighter pilot, eventually takes the same name as the airplane he flew, and yet it didn't come from the airplane, but rather from his unique talent of being able to literally spit fire (a talent he acquired from drinking volcanic water from a volcanic spring on a tiny island in the tropics ostensibly on the North American side of The Atlantic Ocean). 

It already requires the reader to suspend a lot of his or her beliefs about how The World works.  That gets even tougher to do, as we find out that that spring was "The Fountain of Youth" that Ponce de Leon sought back 200 years before.  And our hero, an 18th Century English ship's captain falls asleep from breathing the gasses escaping from the volcanic geysers, and wakes up 200 years later, alive and well-preserved, as is his rowboat (preserved by those gasses).  Actually, such gasses would be caustic, and would have deteriorated his clothing and boat, faster than the normal rainwater and biotic deterioration, alone.  The reader is supposed to believe that those things and his life were extended by the gas.  He leaves the lifeless island in his rowboat, and is encountered by a German submarine.  It contains Nazi soldiers whose mission is to bomb The British naval base in The Scapa Flow area of The Orkney Islands of northern Scotland.  What was the submarine doing in tropical North American waters IF its mission was located in thge seas north of The Scottish mainland?  It seems that this writer was really reaching to weave "interesting elements" together in his story.  But the logic just gets more obviously ridiculous with each added element.  It gets worse.

When the Nazi Kommandant tells The Spitfire Germany and Great Britain are at war, and he will blow up the British ships, Spitfire blows out his breath (the hot, poisonous, concentrated gas he was breathing on the island for 200 years, which makes the German soldiers choke and pass out.  It doesn't bother him, but asphyxiates others.  Why didn't it do the same to him when he first breathed it?  Spitfire had watched the Germans operate the submarine for several days, so he was able to operate it.  (THAT I can believe).  This happens when the sub is near the base in The Orkneys.  The British cannoneers fire at the sub, so Spitfire beaches it, and runs along the shore dodging shells.  British and German plans are having a dogfight above him.  A wounded British bomber lands.  Spitfire approaches him and speaks with him from very close range.  Why doesn't his caustic breathing, so near to the man, make him pass out?  Even if he doesn't blow it at him,  continuing to talk so close would build up its concentration to a dangerous level.  The man wearing 18th Century clothing and speaking 'Shakespearian English tells the wounded pilot he wants to take the man's plane up into the air sand fight The Germans.  The pilot thinks nothing odd about Spitfire.  He doesn't smell the volcanic gases.  Spitfire The Man from 1741 gets inside the cockpit, fiddles around with the devices until he gets it to take off into the sky.  Something that would take a normal person probably some instruction by a pilot.  Unbelievably, he practises diving and other maneuvers all the while German pilots are bombing ground installations or firing machine guns at British planes in the air around him, but they leave him be while he trains himself to learn to operate his plane, one has to guess that is because it is "the sporting thing to do". 

Spitfire knocks several German bombers and fighters out of the sky.  He's become an "Ace" fighter in Jig Time!  This makes the legends of Samson and Hercules seem like true stories, by comparison.  His feats scare off the remainder of the squadron of bombers, who flee back towards The Continent.  Spitfire chases them.  He only fails to catch them by running out of petrol.  Of course, he is able to land his plane perfectly, having had no instruction nor practice.  A whole squad of German soldiers run towards him, but he blows his breath of fire at them.  They report about the British Human Flame-thrower to their camp's Kommandant, who vows to capture him. 

It was way too silly for me to enjoy it even at 8 to 12 years old.  And I believe the writer could have kept all the adventure portions and made it a LOT less unbelievable, and so would allow the reader to move through the story at a decent pace not stopping to think about how silly each ridiculous logic problem is when they pop up, one after another.  THEY aren't necessary to make the story interesting or adventurous.  There still would be impossible things happening, but just less of them, and those that remain would be "less unbelievable" (or less obvious or easily recognised as impossible).  For example the wounded pilot could have shown Spitfire how to operate the plane, and passed out at the end of doing that because he used his last energy in that process.  I think the superpower of fire breath is different from the normal super muscle strength - which is good.  But it has too many aspects making it too unbelievable. 

I'd try to find a different "power" to replace it.  Instead of sleeping for 200 years, which doesn't help the story in any way (except differentiating it from other "superhero stories"), I might have him being a Scottish teenager who wanted to join The RAF at the start of World War II, but was too young.  Maybe having his power come from knowledge that almost no one else has, plus the use of a mineral from outer space that fell to Earth in meteorites, which was found by an old World War I flying ace, who is now a hermit, living in a cave near the top of Ben Nevis, who has discovered a hidden vein of that meteoritic Martian mineral, which can effect gravity, or propel things through the air very quickly, or act as a super-magnet attracting and repelling iron and steel very strongly.  There are ways to make pseudo-science seem almost plausible if not thought about too deeply.  Maybe this old hermit ex-pilot teaches young spitfire everything he knows and supplies him with the Martian mineral, and uses old friendships from The First War (who are high ranking RAF officers) to at least get the still underaged teen to be able to take a tour of an RAF base, where the lad sneaks into a hangar and takes off, showing the pilots and officers that he's a flying "Phenom".  And a Luftwaffe attack comes, and during all the rush of pilots getting into planes, Spitfire gets into one and takes off joining thge battle.  Maybe he had been watching the pilots ground training, learning how to operate their "modern" WWII spitfires, but had only first trained with the old hermit WWI pilot in his old WWI biplane. Did the old man steal airplane fuel from the nearest air base?  To use to train the boy?  Even solutions cause problems.  But that's part of the enjoyment of creating stories.

(2) Fly-Man

A heavyweight boxer whose name is "Fly-Man"?  You'd think he'd be a Flyweight!!  ;D  What kind of father would ask his son to let him shrink him to 12 inches high, without knowing how to reverse the process?  And I wouldn't do that just to help my father, if, all-of-a-sudden, he flipped his lid and went bonkers, and had no regard for my welfare.  He would do that just to become famous.  He'd alienate his whole family in doing so.  Are readers supposed to respect Fly-Man for honouring his father's wishes?  How can readers identify with, and cheer for, a main character (protagonist) who is an idiot?  His father shrunk his own son to one foot long to FIGHT CRIMINALS???

The 2 12-inch long men are only about 1/4 taller than an apparently giant 9 inch museum door keyhole.  Fly-Man throws a big knife with a lot of velocity on a perfectly horizontal trajectory.  Yet it hits one of the 12 inch criminals in his back and rips through his abdomen and out front of him in a perfectly vertical trajectory.  And I though t MY short-term memory is bad.  And I'll bet the artist wasn't just about 80 years old......

Why would being that small help a man fight crime?  On Page 7, Panel 3, we see Fly-Man taking off in a flying position, with both arms in the air straight forward (in Superman style).  There are motion lines showing him moving upward and forward.  He clearly has the power of flight.  So the question above about the derivation of his Superhero name might relate to his flying power, rather than the insect.  I can't think of any current fly species that average 12 inches in length.  There probably were some even longer 300+ million years ago during The Carboniferous and Permian Periods, when the Griffinflies grew up to 28 inches long.   ;D

(3) The Clown

This is a well-crafted story with no holes I can poke through.  The idea of a Cop using a clown-suit and a circus coming to town as a disguise and simultaneously a ticket to infiltrate an organised crime gang is a clever plot angle.  And to also tie in the clown mask as a gas mask so he can use gas to disable the crooks is a masterly clever idea that makes the story work really well.  Using the gas once inside the mob's headquarters, disabling the crooks so that they, and the evidence against them are available during a set-up police raid works perfectly.

However, I think this is a one-off and not usable to keep on using this character in follow-up stories in a series.  The author would have to continuously come up with clever ideas to use the clown disguise and tie them into each new story without becoming too close to former plots, and thus, making it boring.

(4) The Buckskin Boys

Another story for young boys in which young boys have adventure that is extremely unlikely to really have occurred, and doing things that boys that young couldn't possibly have done in real life.  That's to be expected, and a critic can't begrudge them of enjoying them pretending they can achieve what heroic grown men do.

(5) Gary Morgan - Foreign Correspondent

Here, I expect to find several researching errors because the writers of US-produced GA comics didn't take much if any time in researching their stories due to heavy deadlines and poor pay for comics writing, as well as most having little knowledge of foreign countries.  As a Canadian who was around during the 1940s (albeit only the mid and late '40s, and only as a child, I find it hard to believe that a guard at a military installation would actually slug an American reporter for him merely protesting not being allowed inside its outer gate.  I guess the artist neglected to show the reporter first physically trying to bull-rush the guard to get inside, or the reporter slugging the guard first.  The reporter dashes through the gate and hides in one of the bomber planes to be shipped to The UK, because he knows the gate guard will send soldiers to root him out and physically escort him off the base.  So, he set himself up to be shot as a foreign spy!  Not a very intelligent reporter.  This idiotic reporter, with a death wish, then introduces himself while the plane is in flight, and is surprised when the pilot tells him he'll need to turn him over to the military authorities in England, as a suspected spy.  So, the reporter commits yet another crime, knocking out the pilot after they land, and stealing his clothing to use as a disguise.  During an air raid, he interferes with two men grabbing a woman, and grabs her, to lead her to safety. 

EVEN IF this reporter(Morgan) saves The UK from being conquered by The Germans, he should be returned to Canada afterwards, to serve a prison sentence for assault and battery of several victims, and illegally entering a maximum security military base.  Maybe he should just serve a one or 2-month sentence and then be forced to do public service in Canada for 6 months to make sure he doesn't take the law into his own hands for frivolous irrational reasons.  Or perhaps he should be examined by a psychiatrist to see whether or not he is mentally fit to conduct his life freely in society, or be institutionalised?

The woman tells him that her father was kidnapped by local Nazi agents and is being held for ransom.  While the woman goes to The Police, Morgan goes to a local pub where he's seen by one of the two Nazi agents, who had grabbed the woman. The Nazi denounces Morgan as a spy! Morgan escapes, kills most of the Nazi agents, and likely called the police to come and arrest the few that are alive, after saving the woman's father from execution, and telephoning his story to his editor in USA.  The ending has his editor making him their Foreign (WWII) Correspondent, stationed in Europe, because, otherwise, he'd be extradited to Canada to serve a prison sentence!!

Despite being a bit fanciful, it's actually a clever plot and good ending, and quite entertaining.  Surprisingly, I enjoyed it, after thinking it was just another silly fantastic and illogical hero story.  It is essentially that,
but the cleverness in the story idea and plot makes it a good read.

(6) The Magician from Bagdad

This ought to be interesting, I like John Giunta's artwork, and as I resided in The Middle East (mostly Arab countries) for large portions of 15 straight years, and am familiar with The Kuran, Islam, and Arabic and Islamic Folklore, I'll be curious to see how The Jinn in this story is portrayed.  I see from the splashpage, that Giunta is already on the right track by making "The Slave of The Lamp" look demonic, as many of The Jinn were demons (probably derived from previous demonic gods from Pagan, pre-Islamic times).  I notice, already, that the author uses the Middle English familiar pronoun "Thou" to give the flavour of the distant past, but it makes no sense to use Middle English pronouns without using the proper Middle English verb forms and conjugations (using proper related declensions).  On Page 1 Panel 3, Amud should be saying "Thou shalt die!", rather than "Thou will die!"  At that time, "will" meant more "want to" rather than "absolutely will, with no doubt", which was expressed by "shall".  The traitorous adviser to The King(Caliph?) of Bagdad is also a sorceror who wants to take over his Kingdom (Caliphate?).  He sends The true King, (Nadir) to the future in another dimension (1990 in a Western country), and summons two Demons to kill him there.  But Nadir summons up a flaming red Cross (crucifix), which destroys the Demons, dissolving them into nothingness (just as the Christian Cross is the bane of Vampires).

This is a religious representation that would no longer be allowed in to be printed in children's comics in Canada and USA, methinks; as both countries are dedicated to separation of Church and state.  Is Church of England still the official religion of The UK, in which church members are still beholden to pay taxes to that church, and where other citizens of other religions are beholden to pay taxes to their churches, temples, or Synagogues?

The story was excellent, and I enjoyed it very much until that ending.  It was too "Christian", and not very inventive, to my taste.  And a bit repulsive to someone of Jewish origin half of whose recent family was murdered by a Christian society who still hated Jews from irrational hatred from almost 2000 years tradition, and who grew up with Holocaust survivors.

As Nadir wanted to become a sorcerer, to battle his traitor nemesis, I'd rather have had him come up with a clever or obscure magic spell he'd concocted, himself, just to fit his usurper's character or situation.  Still, I enjoyed most of it enough to plan to read the following issue, to see what Nadir did next.

(7) Rurik, The Sea King

As someone who has lived part time in Denmark for 35 years, and who has spent a lot of time in Sweden and Norway, whose brother lived in Sweden for 25 years, and who also was a European historian, and wrote a series of Donald Duck stories based on The Icelandic and Norwegian Viking Sagas, I can't wait to see how the Vikings are portrayed in this story.

The artist, Frank Frollo, portrayed The Danish Vikings wearing reasonable clothing, although in 851, they probably would have been sewn-together deer skins, rather than the tailored-looking fabric, looking more like cotton.  And, of course, the archaeologists and historians didn't know that Vikings didn't have horns on their helmets.  Frollo's artwork is fairly good.  The ships are drawn well, as are the characters' figures.  There is good action in the fighting scenes.

Rurik, the son of a petty Saxon king of one of the small kingdoms in England, fought with his father, who was killed in a Danish raid. He vows to get vengeance. He and a noble Knight kill 2 Vikings, steal their clothing, to infiltrate a Viking ship to take it over as new commander.  Of course the new king speaks his Old English to The Danes, who speak Old Norse.  They were partly intelligible languages at that time, something on a similar level to modern Hochdeutsch (standard national German and standard national Dutch.  If they each spoke their own language slowly and distinctly they could make each other understood, not exactly, but each would understand the gist of what the other was saying, aided by hand gestures and facial expressions.

The Danes accept Rurik as their captain, because they hated their cruel leader, Bolden, and proceed to guide Rurik to Bolden's island harbor (probably in The Orkney Islands or Shetland Islands, north of Scotland). On the way, they spot a few Viking ships approaching their ship.  They are Bolden's ships.  The story ends with Rurik's crew setting fire to Bolden's boats, and watching them burn up sand sink.  We know that the series will continue with Rurik and his knight continuing to pretend to be Vikings, and a ship captain, onward to further adventures.   It was well drawn and interesting enough to hold my interest.  Noithing terrifically memorable.

All in all, this book had very high to adequate quality artwork and several good quality stories.  I enjoyed reading it.  There was a lot less "silly science" and poor logic, and highly-noticible lack of research that affected the integrity of the stories than is usual in early GA US action-adventure genre comic books.
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2024, 02:15:28 PM »

Nice post mortem on SPITFIRE COMICS, Robb.

By the way, was at a writers work shop once and during the discussion of copyright, the lecturer said; “Copyright is whatever Disney says it is.”
Nobody laughed.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2024, 07:46:06 PM »


Nice post mortem on SPITFIRE COMICS, Robb.

By the way, was at a writers work shop once and during the discussion of copyright, the lecturer said; “Copyright is whatever Disney says it is.”
Nobody laughed.


Sadly, it's all too true.
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2024, 02:19:20 AM »

I know that a low-budget, horror film version of Winnie the Pooh has been released in the UK but the character likeness is so clearly a drastic difference to the original and the film so bad that Disney clearly saw it as no threat.

I've also just read that the same studio are producing films featuring twisted versions of Bambi, Peter Pan and Pinnochio. Again, I imagine Disney see very little threat.
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2024, 06:44:00 AM »

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  I know that a low-budget, horror film version of Winnie the Pooh has been released in the UK but the character likeness is so clearly a drastic difference to the original and the film so bad that Disney clearly saw it as no threat.

I've also just read that the same studio are producing films featuring twisted versions of Bambi, Peter Pan and Pinnochio. Again, I imagine Disney see very little threat.


They are also producing comics with those characters. They are pretty vile.
Were I them, I wouldn't assume that Disney won't react and come down on them at some time in the future.     
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