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Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse

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Quirky Quokka

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Hi everyone

A change of pace with something lighter this fortnight. I've picked two 1960s comic books that both involve slapstick or visual humour.

The Near-Sighted Mr Magoo - Four Color Series #1235

Mr Magoo is probably known to most of you. I remember watching the cartoons on TV in 1960s, voiced by the wonderful Jim Backus, but I don't recall ever seeing him in a comic book. He was known for getting into all sorts of weird and wonderful situations, often putting himself and others in danger, yet totally oblivious to any problems. The stories in this book are surprisingly wordy, but there is a lot of visual humour in the art. Although the data sheet on CB+ says that's it's from Dec 1961, the copyright notice inside says Mar-May 1965. [P.S. Robb has addressed this in one of his posts below.]



https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=33977


Nellie the Nurse - Four Color Series #1305

I'd never heard of Nellie and this seems to be the only book on CB+ made up entirely of her stories, though I think she makes appearances in some of the others. Nellie is always getting into tricky situations that remind me of some of the 'I Love Lucy' antics. The book has a number of regular stories, as well as one story made up entirely of pictures. There are also a number of one-panel gags that I assume went in newspapers? The cover art is signed by Lawrence Katzman, though I can't seem to find anything about him on CB+.



https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=37824

Although I'd never heard of Nellie and only know Mr Magoo from the TV cartoons, the style of art in these comics is similar to other comics I grew up with in the 1960s. I hope these bring a smile to your faces, if not outright laughter. I'll look forward to your comments.

Cheers

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2024, 02:10:15 AM »

The cover art is signed by Lawrence Katzman, though I can't seem to find anything about him on CB+.

The Grand Comics Database creator record https://www.comics.org/creator/7996/ with links to some of his credits.

Bails' Who's Who http://bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=KATZMAN%2C+LARRY

His bio at the National Cartoonists Society https://nationalcartoonists.com/in-memoriam/larry-katzman/

And the Wikipedia page for the medical company he founded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaz_Incorporated
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2024, 05:03:27 AM »


The cover art is signed by Lawrence Katzman, though I can't seem to find anything about him on CB+.

The Grand Comics Database creator record https://www.comics.org/creator/7996/ with links to some of his credits.

Bails' Who's Who http://bailsprojects.com/bio.aspx?Name=KATZMAN%2C+LARRY

His bio at the National Cartoonists Society https://nationalcartoonists.com/in-memoriam/larry-katzman/

And the Wikipedia page for the medical company he founded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaz_Incorporated


You're quick off the mark, SuperScrounge. Thanks for those extra links. Interesting to know that he founded a medical company, which explains why a lot of his cartoons feature hospitals. Also interesting to see that Nellie the Nurse books have sold over 3 million copies. I don't recall her being in any of the newspapers here in Australia. Do some of you remember seeing those gag panels in your newspapers or magazines?

Cheers

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2024, 05:13:03 AM »


A change of pace with something lighter this fortnight. I've picked two 1960s comic books that both involve slapstick or visual humour.

The Near-Sighted Mr Magoo - Four Color Series #1235


Mr Magoo is probably known to most of you. I remember watching the cartoons on TV in 1960s, voiced by the wonderful Jim Backus, but I don't recall ever seeing him in a comic book. (1) Although the data sheet on CB+ says that's it's from Dec 1961, the copyright notice inside says Mar-May 1965.


https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=33977
Nellie the Nurse - Four Color Series #1305

(2)I'd never heard of Nellie and this seems to be the only book on CB+ made up entirely of her stories, though I think she makes appearances in some of the others.  The book has a number of regular stories, as well as one story made up entirely of pictures. There are also a number of one-panel gags that I assume went in newspapers? The cover art is signed by Lawrence Katzman, though I can't seem to find anything about him on CB+.


https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=37824
Although I'd never heard of Nellie and only know Mr Magoo from the TV cartoons, the style of art in these comics is similar to other comics I grew up with in the 1960s.


(1) I'm sure that the numeral "5" in that 1965 date is a misprint, as a 1965 Dell comic book (even if it were a reprint of a 1961 or 1962 issue), would have had Dell's 1965 logo on its front cover (shown below),

rather than the 1961 "Postage stamp" Dell logo (on this book's front cover), reflecting the "Dell Trading Post" offers of 1961/early'62; and would have also had a new, indicia printed, reflecting the 1965 situation, as opposed to having the early 1962 indicia, reflecting the late 1961 production, and early 1962 distribution of this issue.  This was a March 1962 issue, first on the shelves in January 1962.  I remember seeing them out then.  I'm sure there were no Mr. Magoo Dell Comics issues after #5 was issued in late 1963.

I'd have much preferred to review a Mr. Magoo issue from Dell's earlier UPA series, "Gerald McBoing-Boing and The Nearsighted Mr. Magoo"/"Mr. Magoo and Gerald McBoing-Boing" 1952-54 series, despite all this book's stories being reprints of stories that were printed in that series, and the artwork in the 1-page gags was also drawn by one of the 2 of that series main 2 artists, Pete Alvarado.  Dan Gormley was its other artist.  Alvarado was the main artist of Dell's 2nd Magoo series, as well as the 1964-66 "Mr. Magoo" daily newspaper strip.  I think the stories in the first series were more like stories with plots, and lots of funny scenes, rather than just a string of gags based on the same joke, that seemed to fill the 2nd series, after the 1st issue, which was filled with reprint stories.

(2) It seems that Lawrence Katzman's "Nellie The Nurse" was a syndicated single panel newspaper cartoon in Newspapers, during the 1950s and 60s.  I read on a couple comic book blogs, that John Stanley (one of Dell's most accomplished comic book storywriters, storyboard artists, and finishing artists), who wrote and drew many of the classic "Little Lulu" comic book stories and gags, wrote, and storyboarded the comic book stories, while the comic book's front cover and all single panel gags in this book were drawn by Katzman.  The final penciler and inker seem to be an unknown Western Publishing artist, at this time, according to GCD and The "Stanley Stories" Comics blog.  I can see Stanley's drawing style on the stories' pages (certainly his gag style and staging).  It seems that the finishing artist kept as close as possible to Stanley's lines, ending up with a less expressive blend of Stanley's and Katzman's styles.

It seems that Dell, wanting to take advantage of Stanley's popularity with "Little Lulu" (1948-1959) and "Nancy" 1959-1962", and see if he could bring them another winner.  Unfortunately, it seems that the slapstick, gag-based jokes couldn't work in expanded stories.  So that experiment lasted only on single issue.  I love Stanley's understated humour in Little Lulu and Nancy, and even some of his later, "Dunc and Loo" and "Melvin Monster" stories. But Nellie's stories seemed like several clone gags strung out over several pages, which were boring because they didn't have all the normal elements that stories need to grab the reader's interest (character development, motivation, a logical progression in its plot, a gradual speeding up to a climax (in some cases), and a funny epilogue.  I DO remember some single panel gag cartoons whose characters were so well developed that that character's World was expanded (sometimes into a horizontal strip), before also later being adapted into comic book 3 or 4 tier format stories, written and drawn specifically for comic books.  One of those was "Little Lulu".  Another, that came from a short, 4-panel horizontal newspaper strip, was "Peanuts". 

Just like Dell's "Little Lulu", "Nancy" and "Peanuts" comic book stories were drawn by artists other than their character's creators who were newspaper cartoonists, I think that the "Nellie The Nurse" specially made for comic book format stories, were written and drawn by John Stanley.  It seems that Marge Henderson of "The Saturday Evening Post" 's "Little Lulu", Charles Schultz of "Peanuts" and Lawrence Katzman of "Nellie The Nurse" each were glad to receive credits and direct pay and royalty payments for allowing their characters to be featured in comic books, as well as getting the added exposure for their characters (creations) to help keep their names on the market. But, apparently, they didn't want to write or even draw the comic book stories, because of other time commitments, or not being comfortable in the comic book format (e.g. writing longer stories with their characters) because it's a completely different genre of humour from what they do best or love doing.

Here is a link to KB of "Out of This World" Comic Book Blog's article on Lawrence Katzman's "Nellie The Nurse":    https://kb-outofthisworld.blogspot.com/2010/07/de-evolution-of-nellie-nurse-part-vi-of.html

Here is a link to "Stanley Stories" Blogspot's page on "Nellie the Nurse":  https://stanleystories.blogspot.com/2008/08/selections-from-nellie-nurse-four-color.html
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2024, 05:47:30 AM »

Where we are at with 'Mr Magoo' in the 21st century.
This is from 1997!
Disney faces scrutiny on rejuvenated Mr Magoo
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/disney-faces-scrutiny-on-rejuvenated-mr-magoo-1.95399
Even with Leslie Nielsen, the movie is not funny.
The original voice of Mr Magoo was Jim Backus, better known from Gilligan's Island.
'Oh Magoo! You've done it again!'
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2024, 05:59:56 AM »

Here is the first
Gerald McBoing-Boing (1950) Cartoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwoh8kfPVPs

There were several in the 50's. Sheer visual and cartooning brilliance.
Pretty sure I saw one of them back then. Unforgettable.
Enjoy!
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2024, 07:51:45 AM »

Regarding the date for the Mr Magoo comic, Robb said:

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(1) I'm sure that the numeral "5" in that 1965 date is a misprint, as a 1965 Dell comic book (even if it were a reprint of a 1961 or 1962 issue), would have had Dell's 1965 logo on its front cover (shown below),

rather than the 1961 "Postage stamp" Dell logo (on this book's front cover), reflecting the "Dell Trading Post" offers of 1961/early'62; and would have also had a new, indicia printed, reflecting the 1965 situation, as opposed to having the early 1962 indicia, reflecting the late 1961 production, and early 1962 distribution of this issue.  This was a March 1962 issue, first on the shelves in January 1962.  I remember seeing out then.  I'm sure there were no Mr. Magoo Dell Comics issues after #5 was issued in late 1963.

I'd have much preferred a Mr. Magoo issue from Dell's earlier UPA issue, "Gerald McBoing-Boing and The Nearsighted Mr. Magoo"/"Mr. Magoo and Gerald McBoing-Boing" 1953-54 series.  I think the artwork was much more fluid and artistic, and the colouring was better (and the books had less adverts, so more comics pages).  With me, older is almost always better.


Thanks for that clarification about the date, Robb. I hadn't noticed the difference in the logo. When I was looking for this week's selections, I didn't come across the earlier ones with Gerald McBoing Boing. I'll have to have a look and see how they differ. Thanks too for the extra info you gave about Nellie the Nurse and Katzman. I'll check out the info at those links and will give my comments about both comics later in the fortnight.

Cheers

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2024, 07:53:48 AM »


Where we are at with 'Mr Magoo' in the 21st century.
This is from 1997!
Disney faces scrutiny on rejuvenated Mr Magoo
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/disney-faces-scrutiny-on-rejuvenated-mr-magoo-1.95399
Even with Leslie Nielsen, the movie is not funny.
The original voice of Mr Magoo was Jim Backus, better known from Gilligan's Island.
'Oh Magoo! You've done it again!'


Thanks, Panther. One of the things I like about CB+ is that we can look back on comics from the past and see a snapshot of attitudes at the time and how they differ from current trends. I'll have a look at that article and will comment about the changing attitudes later in the fortnight. Thanks too for the film clip you sent in your other post. I've completely unaware of the world of Gerald McBoing Boing, so will check it out.

Cheers

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2024, 04:02:57 AM »

Mr. Magoo - Dell Four Color Series 1235
(1) IFC 1-Page Gag - RR-Riptide
Magoo drive to what he thinks is an ocean beach - but it is a farm area, mistaking a farm's grain silo for a lighthouse.  He thinks a construction derrick is a lifeguard tower.  He walks to a pile of unmixed cement grains piled up from opened bags, that he thinks is a beach sand dune.  He notices a frog pond, thinking it is an ocean tide pool.  He jumps in, but him swimsuit gets snagged on an underwater tidal bush's branch, thinking it's a super strong undertow that could drag him out to sea.  He breaks free and is proud of his strong swimming prowess, ending his adventurous swim in the ocean.  A LOT of set-up for a not very funny gag.


(2) Game Called On Account Of Ruin
A pretty standard Mr. Magoo story, in which he and Waldo set out to attend a baseball game, and because of Magoo's extremely bad eyesight, they go through several misadventures driving on a highway and narrowly avoiding deadly traffic accidents, getting a car wash by accident, getting stuck in a gasoline service station, driving the car into a junkyard and having his car crushed, and receiving a salvaged classic auto whose engine needs work, after missing the baseball game because of his having driven through barriers and torn up the baseball field, cancelling the game.   The artwork is decent enough, although not as fluid or memorable to me as that of UPA's first Magoo series from 1952-54.  The colouring in this book is also less pleasing to my eyes compared to the earlier series.  This was a chain of cliché disasters, several of which were drawn in a funny way.  However, the jokes are basically all the same joke in a similar style scenario, with an attempt in most cases, to make the mistake as ironic as possible.  At least the Mr. Magoo stories in the first series had more intricate plots with a lot more funny scenes, and more clever humour, and more different style jokes.

(3) Magoo's Cruise
What are the odds that Magoo never gets to a boat on the ocean?  No!  I guessed wrong. He actually gets into a real taxi cab which makes it to his city's harbour.  But, instead of getting on a cruise ship, he steps aboard a Naval aircraft carrier, and is allowed on board, mistaken for a US Senator inspecting the ship.  Of course, Magoo triggers  a chain of disasters destroying most of the ship's equipment, and leaves thinking he had a relaxing vacation, with a bunch of naval officers and sailors waving fists at him in anger.  At least I was half-right, in that the ship never left its dock.

(4) Don't Be Half-Baked
This story is quite a bit over-the-top, in that the secondary characters don't even try to inform Magoo that he is mistaking things for totally-unrelated things, so his actions would lead to disasters.  I guess they know him well, and that trying to warn him is of no use, as besides being blind as a bat, he's also hard of hearting, and doesn't listen to anyone else, in any case.  Not a very good candidate to be a well-loved protagonist.  Clearly, Mr. Magoo's farcical, ridiculous, slapstick-based, very visual humour doesn't work nearly as well in comics as it does in short films, because short films show these mistakings and visual disasters, one after another, with the action scenes following one after another, with no time to get bored; whereas, long series of basically the same themed gag, looked at over and over, where one can dwell on them, makes the reader realise they have already seen this gag, and know what to expect each time.  And so, that reader can imagine just about anything that would be more interesting than plodding through more of them, over and over.  Maybe that is why both of his comic book series were terminated after a handful of issues.

(5) Junk Thou Art
Magoo thinks he's going to a museum art gallery exhibition, but ends up at a junkyard.  Magoo looks over all the junk thinking it is all museum art from the various eras of history, while causing piles of junk to crash to the ground, and getting weird looks from mechanics and construction contractors.  He buys an automobile gear box and cam shaft, thinking it is a modern metal sculpture, and proudly places it in his backyard, to the disgust of his neighbours.  Similar gags all through the story. No unexpected clever jokes.  So, not the best reading.  And the artwork to me is quite pedestrian.  So, this is not very interesting to me after reading the first "story".

(6) The Stage is Set
Mr. Magoo thinks he got free passes to a preview showing of an experimental arts theatre play.  He drives to what he thinks is The Theatrical District, but is a high grade slum.  He enters an old style apartment building, and looks into an apartment thinking it is the theatre, and watches the family go about their mundane existence, thinking they are acting in the play.  A few panels have some funny monolog by Magoo, related to what we see.  But overall, the reader is seeing basically the same gag, over and over.

(7) IBC - 1-Page Gag - The Throughway
Mr. Magoo driving towards the Superhighway entrance, mistakes an amusement park entrance for it, and drives into its pedestrian walkway.  After passing a few rides, he drives into the middle of a bumper-car arena, thinking it is just a busy highway intersection.  He yells at the drivers bumping their cars into other cars, as being careless drivers.  After a hard crash, he writes down the "license number" of what he thinks is a "hit-and-run-driver", to make sure the offender gets punished by the law.  As he leaves, Magoo crashes through the lower girders of a roller coaster, that surely will cause it's next rail car to stop and cause all following cars to crash into the cars just before them.  He thinks he doesn't remember the underpass he just "made", and that the highway police force should be strengthened to make them safer for "careful drivers", like himself!  Lots of story in the 2 1-Page gags, proving that the 6 and 7-page stories are stretched out gags, worthy of just one page.  We can understand why Magoo's 2 series failed to last very long, and his character works much better in short animated films than in comic book so-called "stories".
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2024, 05:15:43 AM »

Nellie the Nurse - Four Color Comics #1305
As I stated above, this book is made up of the lead character's one pane gags, which appeared in "The Saturday Evening Post" for more than 25 years, all drawn by character creating artist, Lawrence Katzman, as did Marge Henderson's "Little Lulu".  Those gags were collected in several pocket-style books, and also several of Katzman's Nellie gags appear in this experimental comic book, which includes, for the most part, 6 new, comic book-style short stories, which were neither written, nor drawn by Katzman, but rather by members of Western Publishing's production staff.  They were written and storyboarded by Western Publishing's prolific storywriter/Storyboarder, John Stanley, who had previously adapted Marge Henderson's "Little Lulu" from single panel gags and 4-panel horizontal newspaper-style strips to comic book stories.  The Western publishing finishing (final pencils and inks, were clearly not done by Stanley, who finished a fair amount of Dell Comics stories he wrote), as the inking looks like an artist of less skill inking over his pencil lines, or copying his poses.

(1) Nellie's Treatment
Nellie being conscientious to get her work done, attempts to make a patient's bed, with him still lying atop it.  Pulling the bedclothes out from under him causes him to roll on the floor across the hospital room, and miraculously, he walks for the first time in 4 years.  So, he asks her ton "roll" him again.  He rolls right out the window, and falls down  to the ground from the 16th floor.  On her way down to help her "victim", Nellie sees a doctor she wants to date, and she forgets her patient.  When the doctor finally finishes the coffees she bought for him,  Nellie sees her patient swimming in the nurse's swimming pool, feeling more "cured" than before.  She starts thinking about copyrighting her new treatment for wheelchair patients to be able to walk again.

So, it seems that Nellie's style of humour, which was making snide, or clever, or ironic comments about medical situations in her one-panel gags, to farcical chain-of-pratfalls, extended gags, that"pretend" to be short comic book style "stories".  I love Stanley's farcical action and its staging.
(2) Cover Up
More proof that Nellie comes off as an "Airhead", forgetting what clothes she was wearing, pulling someone across the city, never looking at her/him once.  Not knowing the difference between an old man's hand and weight, vs. that of a young woman, etc.

(3) Big Shot
Now, she wants the autograph of a known gangster felon, a patient in her hospital, for gun wounds! She jumps on him to protect him from being shot by the thuggy-looking friends that came to visit him, thinking they came to "finish him off"! It turns out he was the victim of an accident in his shooting gallery.  Not a bad little scenario, worthy of a chuckle.

(4) Kidding Around
Nellie, working for a pediatrician, burrows under the office's wall-to-wall carpeting, to find lost children who are trying to avoid the pain of their doctor's hypodermic syringe.  She finds the boy, and follows him burrowing under the wallpaper up to the ceiling.  Clever Nellie tells her doctor that the last customer of the day is in the waiting room.  The doctor tells her to let the lady in to see him on her way out the door to go home for the day.  The gag is that she has brought 7 children (all of whom are patients today).  Another irresponsible act.  Not giving Nurses a good name.

(5)Taken As Directed (Pantomime Gag Story)
I'm not sure that I understand this story's plot and scenario.  It appears that Nellie was in charge of delivering a patient to his surgical operation, and from it.  But she seemed confused about where she would take him, and when.  She takes him to his operating room, and he is operated on.  Then, she takes him to the hospital's ground floor.  Another nurse gestures with her hand pointing straight upward.  So Nellie takes him up to the hospital's roof, where birds swarm them.  She takes him back inside with birds flying in through the door's opening.  When they arrive again at the ground floor, bring flying birds with, the doctors point for her ton take him up again.  She takes the patient to the most upper floor, but stays inside.  It contains the building's furnace.then, she takes him down to the street and buys a hot dog for herself.  Back inside on the ground floor, she is told by everyone, even the angry and worried patient, to take him back upward.  She takes him back to his surgical room, where the surgeon is on his knees, thanking God that Nellie brought him back, still alive (to be treated in the recovery room? - or to have his operation completed?).

(6) Shell Game
Nellie has a patient whose body is completely covered in bandages from being burnt all over from falling asleep under a sun lamp. This "story" is mostly a long string of Vaudeville jokes, wisecracks, and puns.  The other nurses tell a lot of jokes at Nellie's expense. When no one is watching, the burn victim climbs out of his bandage "suit", deciding to play jokes on the hospital staff.  It turns out that that patient is a professional escape artist and ventriloquist.  So Nellie and her colleague spy on him, find out his plan, and they make SURE he can't leave his bed again, by fastening all his bandaging ton the adjacent bandage rolls using diaper safety pins.  The patient wouldn't dare try to escape from the bandage "suit", because any more than gentle movements would spring the pins open, and he wouldn't want to be "stabbed" by hundreds of sharp stick pins.

(7) Hopping Mad
Nellie and her friend are watching a ballet, when the theatre maintenance man ask for a nurse to treat the terribly afraid ballet star, who is afraid to leap high.  She gets him to leap out onto the stage, by leaping ahead of him.  He starts chasing her around the stage by leaping.  She avoids him by a fake move, causing him to crash into a wall.  Apparently, she pinched him, to get him to leap (chase her in anger???)  I don't understand the supposed humour in this one.

Overall thoughts
I think I now understand why this comic book experiment didn't even try a second issue.  I imagine that not only were Western's editors unhappy with the weak sales of this issue, but Katzman, her creator, may not have been happy with how the farcical stories made Nellie a different character from the one he created in the one panel gags.  HIS character had a clever and sly wit, but wasn't an "airhead", who could potentially let her patients die through her negligence.  I'm sure THAT is not an image that he wanted for his character, who was clever, and led readers to the "lighter side" of a very serious part of life (health care/dealing with, or fending off health problems).  In fact, I'm wondering why Katzman didn't sue Western for misrepresenting his character, and putting her (and all nurses) in a bad light.  Apparently, he was too busy to give the prospective first issue's stories a look during the editing process.  IF that had happened, I doubt that even the one "test" issue would have gotten to the supermarket's, drug/discount stores' and news agents' comic book shelves.

An interesting side note is that I was residing in suburban Chicago when this book was issued, and never saw it on the comic book shelves either in Chicago or Winnipeg in January 1962 (2 months before the printed shelf date).  And I've NEVER seen it in second hand book stores or discount stores.  And I looked very carefully at all the Dell Comics comedy issues, because I collected all the animation characters' series, as well as comedy newspaper strip characters, as well.  So, after flipping through hundreds of thousands of new and used comic books from the late '50s and early '60s, my never seeing it must mean that VERY FEW retail individual stores and chains ordered it from their distributors.
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2024, 08:27:22 AM »

Hi Robb - Thanks for your very thorough reviews of both comics. I'll say a bit more about them later in the fortnight, though I was especially interested in the extra info you gave about Nellie. I can understand why the stories would have been outsourced, but a shame that the main qualities of the character seemed to have changed. Would Katzman have been allowed to assess it beforehand? I had never heard of Nellie before. I don't remember it being picked up by any newspapers or magazines in Australia, though I would have been too young for it at the time and may not have noticed. A lot of US strips did appear in Australian newspapers, but I mainly remember the big ones like Peanuts, Garfield, and other strips like Blondie, Hi and Lois, BC, Wizard of Id, Hagar the Horrible, For Better or Worse and the Far Side.

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2024, 10:29:59 PM »


Hi Robb - Thanks for your very thorough reviews of both comics. I'll say a bit more about them later in the fortnight, though I was especially interested in the extra info you gave about Nellie. I can understand why the stories would have been outsourced, but a shame that the main qualities of the character seemed to have changed. Would Katzman have been allowed to assess it beforehand? I had never heard of Nellie before. I don't remember it being picked up by any newspapers or magazines in Australia, though I would have been too young for it at the time and may not have noticed. A lot of US strips did appear in Australian newspapers, but I mainly remember the big ones like Peanuts, Garfield, and other strips like Blondie, Hi and Lois, BC, Wizard of Id, Hagar the Horrible, For Better or Worse and the Far Side.

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How much say a creator and character rights owner would have in a production would depend upon how their contract agreement was written.  Back then, for comic book adaptations, in most cases, I'd guess that the author/creator would want a look at each scenario before the first book reached the penciling stage (a look at the storyboards with dialogue), to make sure the producer got the right idea about what the creator had in mind.  There was no Katzman-generated story example for him to follow.  But Lawrence Katzman was a doctor with a busy schedule, and he also had a hand in the family business his father started.  So, I'm guessing that he had no time to look at the scenarios that John Stanley would write and draw up, and so would just trust that, as a professional, he'd be able to adapt the "feeling" of the one-panel gags to 4 to 8 page stories.  As we see, that is easier said than done.  The combination of Katzman's likely not being happy with the tone of the adaptation, and the abysmally weak sales of the test issue must have killed any chance of a second test issue.  There were usually at least 2 test issues, if not a handful, for deciding whether or not to give a Four Color Comics title its own regularly-scheduled numbered series.  Usually the second issue was in production before the sales from the first were final.  In this case it was quashed at one, indicating that when Katzman saw the "tone" and "spirit" of the first, he decided that it wouldn't work for him, and the title was cancelled. 

Dell's Four Color series was a vehicle to test for becoming Dell's leading and showcase monthly series, as well as second-tier bi-monthly, and 3rd-tier quarterly series.  Many of the four color runs started with test runs of 3-6 Four Color issues, followed by a long run of its own monthly or bi-monthly own-numbered series.  In some cases, after a sizable test run of Four Color issues, and a long run of own-numbered issues, a title whose sales weakened, was relegated back to the irregular, or yearly Four Color issue status.  That happened to Dell's "Charley McCarthy" after a run of about 15 issues, and the popular puppet "Howdy Doody" series after 38 issues.
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2024, 01:14:09 AM »

A brief note regarding Mr Magoo:

Once in a while an actor or a cartoon character comes along that I simply cannot abide. Magoo is one of them (Don Knotts is another). Even as a child I found his cartoons excruciating. I squirmed through one unfunny scene after another while praying silently the cartoon would end and something else would come on. The main feature, the coming attractions...heck, even the ads for the concession stand were better than Mr Magoo. While reading these comics I felt the old feelings returning. These are comics (to steal from Dorothy Parker) not to be tossed lightly aside, but rather to be hurled with great force.

Watching It's a Wonderful Life again last night I was struck once more by how strongly the Magoo character was influenced by old Hollywood actor Lionel Barrymore. Not only Magoo's voice and mannerisms, but even his appearance resembles Barrymore. Check out Lionel as the villain in this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAnVhYNbTI

(The movie is in public domain so there shouldn't be any trouble linking to this video.)
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2024, 04:50:01 AM »



How much say a creator and character rights owner would have in a production would depend upon how their contract agreement was written.  Back then, for comic book adaptations, in most cases, I'd guess that the author/creator would want a look at each scenario before the first book reached the penciling stage (a look at the storyboards with dialogue), to make sure the producer got the right idea about what the creator had in mind.  There was no Katzman-generated story example for him to follow.  But Lawrence Katzman was a doctor with a busy schedule, and he also had a hand in the family business his father started.  So, I'm guessing that he had no time to look at the scenarios that John Stanley would write and draw up, and so would just trust that, as a professional, he'd be able to adapt the "feeling" of the one-panel gags to 4 to 8 page stories.  As we see, that is easier said than done.  The combination of Katzman's likely not being happy with the tone of the adaptation, and the abysmally weak sales of the test issue must have killed any chance of a second test issue.  There were usually at least 2 test issues, if not a handful, for deciding whether or not to give a Four Color Comics title its own regularly-scheduled numbered series.  Usually the second issue was in production before the sales from the first were final.  In this case it was quashed at one, indicating that when Katzman saw the "tone" and "spirit" of the first, he decided that it wouldn't work for him, and the title was cancelled. 

Dell's Four Color series was a vehicle to test for becoming Dell's leading and showcase monthly series, as well as second-tier bi-monthly, and 3rd-tier quarterly series.  Many of the four color runs started with test runs of 3-6 Four Color issues, followed by a long run of its own monthly or bi-monthly own-numbered series.  In some cases, after a sizable test run of Four Color issues, and a long run of own-numbered issues, a title whose sales weakened, was relegated back to the irregular, or yearly Four Color issue status.  That happened to Dell's "Charley McCarthy" after a run of about 15 issues, and the popular puppet "Howdy Doody" series after 38 issues.


Thanks for the extra info, Robb. I always appreciate your behind-the-scenes knowledge. It seems a shame they scrapped the whole comic rather than trying to fix it. But I guess everything is time and money, and if Katzman wasn't happy with it, they may have felt like it wasn't worth continuing. And thanks for the extra info about how the four-color series worked. I wasn't sure why some issues appear there and others under the main Dell categories. That makes sense now.

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2024, 04:59:11 AM »


A brief note regarding Mr Magoo:

Once in a while an actor or a cartoon character comes along that I simply cannot abide. Magoo is one of them (Don Knotts is another). Even as a child I found his cartoons excruciating. I squirmed through one unfunny scene after another while praying silently the cartoon would end and something else would come on. The main feature, the coming attractions...heck, even the ads for the concession stand were better than Mr Magoo. While reading these comics I felt the old feelings returning. These are comics (to steal from Dorothy Parker) not to be tossed lightly aside, but rather to be hurled with great force.

Watching It's a Wonderful Life again last night I was struck once more by how strongly the Magoo character was influenced by old Hollywood actor Lionel Barrymore. Not only Magoo's voice and mannerisms, but even his appearance resembles Barrymore. Check out Lionel as the villain in this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAnVhYNbTI

(The movie is in public domain so there shouldn't be any trouble linking to this video.)


Thanks for the link to that clip, Crashryan. It's a while since I've watched that movie. I can see how some of Magoo may have been modelled on him. From what I've read, I think the original Magoo was crankier (maybe more like Barrymore) and they softened him a little in the 60s. Sorry I've inadvertently traumatised you by making you relive your horrible memories of Magoo. I prescribe watching a few Rocky and Bullwinkle clips to restore your faith in 60s cartoons  :D

Actually, Magoo's not one of my favourites either, but I thought it might be interesting to look at some of the visual humour. But it turns out there aren't many fans. As they say in 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail', [she] chose poorly .

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2024, 05:08:41 AM »


Here is the first
Gerald McBoing-Boing (1950) Cartoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwoh8kfPVPs

There were several in the 50's. Sheer visual and cartooning brilliance.
Pretty sure I saw one of them back then. Unforgettable.
Enjoy!


Thanks for that clip, Panther. I hadn't seen that cartoon. Really interesting animation. And I see it won the Academy Award in 1950 for best animated short for Stephen Bosustow. Interestingly, Bosustow also won with two Mr Magoo shorts in 1954 and 1956.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Animated_Short_Film

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2024, 06:43:30 AM »

Four Color Series #1235 - Mr. Magoo

R-R-Riptide
Eh, okay.

Game Called On Account of "Ruin"
This felt a lot closer to one of the old cartoons.

Magoo's Cruise
All that smoking and not one boom?

Don't Be Half Baked
Eh.

Junk Thou Art
I wonder what Magoo would think of the recent work of 'art' that was a banana taped to the wall?  ;)

The Stage Is Set...
Eh.

The Throughway
They ended the story before the damaged roller coaster collapses and kills people.  :o

As a kid I loved the Mr. Magoo cartoons and Jim Backus' delivery just helped one accept the chaos. As an adult I don't find them as funny as I did, and comic books lacked Jim Backus' voice. While sometimes a comic can capture the fun chaos of the cartoons, some just seem wacky for the point of being wacky.

Too often people in the stories just accept Magoo sowing chaos instead of trying to stop him. The navy officers in Magoo's Cruise should have verified if Magoo was the official they assumed he was and the officers and seamen should have stopped him wandering into certain areas. The family in The Stage Is Set... likewise should have told Mr. Magoo to get lost. But no, the writer did it because he couldn't come up with a more believable way of telling the story.
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2024, 07:48:36 AM »




How much say a creator and character rights owner would have in a production would depend upon how their contract agreement was written.  Back then, for comic book adaptations, in most cases, I'd guess that the author/creator would want a look at each scenario before the first book reached the penciling stage (a look at the storyboards with dialogue), to make sure the producer got the right idea about what the creator had in mind.  There was no Katzman-generated story example for him to follow.  But Lawrence Katzman was a doctor with a busy schedule, and he also had a hand in the family business his father started.  So, I'm guessing that he had no time to look at the scenarios that John Stanley would write and draw up, and so would just trust that, as a professional, he'd be able to adapt the "feeling" of the one-panel gags to 4 to 8 page stories.  As we see, that is easier said than done.  The combination of Katzman's likely not being happy with the tone of the adaptation, and the abysmally weak sales of the test issue must have killed any chance of a second test issue.  There were usually at least 2 test issues, if not a handful, for deciding whether or not to give a Four Color Comics title its own regularly-scheduled numbered series.  Usually the second issue was in production before the sales from the first were final.  In this case it was quashed at one, indicating that when Katzman saw the "tone" and "spirit" of the first, he decided that it wouldn't work for him, and the title was cancelled. 

Dell's Four Color series was a vehicle to test for becoming Dell's leading and showcase monthly series, as well as second-tier bi-monthly, and 3rd-tier quarterly series.  Many of the four color runs started with test runs of 3-6 Four Color issues, followed by a long run of its own monthly or bi-monthly own-numbered series.  In some cases, after a sizable test run of Four Color issues, and a long run of own-numbered issues, a title whose sales weakened, was relegated back to the irregular, or yearly Four Color issue status.  That happened to Dell's "Charley McCarthy" after a run of about 15 issues, and the popular puppet "Howdy Doody" series after 38 issues.


Thanks for the extra info, Robb. I always appreciate your behind-the-scenes knowledge. It seems a shame they scrapped the whole comic rather than trying to fix it. But I guess everything is time and money, and if Katzman wasn't happy with it, they may have felt like it wasn't worth continuing. And thanks for the extra info about how the four-color series worked. I wasn't sure why some issues appear there and others under the main Dell categories. That makes sense now.
Cheers   QQ


I don't think there was any possibility of fixing it.  The only reason Dell had a chance to publish it was that they made a contract deal with Katzman, the owner of the "property" (copyright on the character).  As John Stanley's stories made Nellie appear to be an airheaded, flighty, selfish, non-dedicated nurse, who would neglect her patients when seeing a handsome doctor she wanted to date (like helping a bed-ridden patient roll across the hospital room floor and continue by falling out of the 16th floor window, and instead of seeing what happened to him (likely death when hitting then pavement below), she sat having coffee with a doctor.  There were several other acts of patient negligence on her part in each of the stories.  This made Nellie (Katzman's intellectual property, inadequate to be a positive representative of the nursing profession, and, more importantly, not a decent candidate to be a protagonist, star of a book series.  As Katzman was a respected doctor, this portrayal of his character could become a negative mark against him in his career.  The weak sales of the comic books matched against the strong sales of the books collecting his single-panel Nellie gags, clearly make his case for suing Dell for misrepresenting his character in a bad light, and defamation of his own character, related to the doctors' hypocratic oath, and hospitals' general standards of conduct for their doctors.

Even disregarding Katzman's right to break the contract agreement with Dell, due to misrepresentation of his character, and the possible threat of his suing Dell for defamation of character, the apparent extremely weak sales, not even justifying a 2nd "test" issue, made the situation such that Dell wouldn't want to try to make up with Katzman to try to continue the series.  It's clear that a nurse making clever quips in very narrow gags can't support short and middle-sized comic book "stories".  Such "stories" would become more like Vaudeville acts,- strings of jokes, whose source would run out of novelty and variety very soon, and just become too repetitive, and thus, boring. 

Nursing sick and injured people is serious business.  Having a nurse act in negligent ways, leading to accidents that could further injure or kill patients is not a good vehicle for comedy stories, especially when the author is a high-level, well-respected doctor.

Dell must have been just as inclined to end the series as was Katzman.  Little Lulu, on the other hand, succeeded in its adaptation from single panel gags to comic book stories, ironically written, scripted and drawn by the same John Stanley, because Lulu was a positive character, being very clever, and often helping her friends, and when getting the best of Tubby and the other boys' club, it was because they had not allowed girls to participate, or they had done something mean to her and her girlfriends.  And, most importantly, her creator, Marge Henderson, didn't hold a position in a field that required an extremely high level of behaviour.  And Lulu was a child, who only occasionally put a hurt on adult criminals, or badly-behaved witches, or her neighbourhood's boys, who had wronged her to the same degree as her "retribution".  "Little Lulu" was one of Dell's most successful series, and "Nellie The Nurse" HAD to be one of its very least successful.
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2024, 07:58:25 AM »


A brief note regarding Mr Magoo:

Once in a while an actor or a cartoon character comes along that I simply cannot abide. Magoo is one of them (Don Knotts is another). Even as a child I found his cartoons excruciating. I squirmed through one unfunny scene after another while praying silently the cartoon would end and something else would come on. The main feature, the coming attractions...heck, even the ads for the concession stand were better than Mr Magoo. While reading these comics I felt the old feelings returning. These are comics (to steal from Dorothy Parker) not to be tossed lightly aside, but rather to be hurled with great force.

Watching It's a Wonderful Life again last night I was struck once more by how strongly the Magoo character was influenced by old Hollywood actor Lionel Barrymore. Not only Magoo's voice and mannerisms, but even his appearance resembles Barrymore. Check out Lionel as the villain in this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAnVhYNbTI

(The movie is in public domain so there shouldn't be any trouble linking to this video.)


I agree with you that Dell's 2nd Mr. Magoo series' stories are "dreadfully dull and boring" to quote half of Monty Python's cast.  I like Pete Alvarado's artwork in both this series and the first series with John Stanley writing and scripting the stories, and Dan Gormley drawing some of them.  There were some funny gags in them.  But, I agree that the concept of Magoo misreading or mistaking things for other things of situations gets old very fast.  Same gag over and over.  And especially in the later series, no story plot, at all.  And Magoo isn't really a "likeable" character.
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2024, 01:57:14 AM »

Four Color #1304 - Nellie the Nurse

One-panel cartoons
These are cute and funny. I would guess they were magazine cartoons as that's where Katzman did most of his cartoon work, although there are a number of comics that started out in magazines then became newspaper comics (The Little King, Henry, Hazel).


Nellie's Treatment
I've never understood the John Stanley worship. To me he's okay, but nothing special. This story seems to be written on automatic, basically a Little Lulu grows up to be a nurse story.


Cover Up
*sigh* All that for a weak punchline? I found the joke about the men with their heads sticking out of the manhole funnier than the end joke.


Big Shot
Oh, the days when patients could smoke in hospital beds. Unintentional LOL!

Geeze, Nellie is a gangster groupie now? *sigh*


Kidding Around
A children's doctor name Throtteltot?  :) Well, I guess all those years writing Little Lulu finally got to John Stanley...  ;)

Sadly the name was the funniest part of the story.


Taken as Directed
Hmm, no dialogue and the humor went up.


Shell Game
That splash panel reads like a one-panel gag. Wonder if it was based on one?

So was Knobbly in the hospital for a legitimate reason or just to prank the staff? If it was a prank, why did the doctor go along with it?


Hopping Mad
Having done plays those prop walls are wrong. Backstage we should see 2 x 4s and braces holding up the walls which are usually a thin painted fabric.


Oddly enough Marvel had a (different) Nellie the Nurse comic starting in 1945 and ending in 1958 (not one run, though) https://www.comics.org/series/name/nellie/sort/chrono/ I wonder if someone at Marvel complained about a potential trademark lawsuit?

Another possible reason for why there wasn't a second issue is that 1962 was the year of the 'divorce' between Dell and Western. For those who don't know Dell was a book publisher and they employed Western to produce the comic book line up until mid-1962 when they went their separate ways. Western held most of the licenses and formed Gold Key comics, whereas Dell had to set up a new comic book line with a handful of licenses. Seeing that Dell had published books of Nellie cartoons I think they insisted Western create a Nellie comic, but after the split the license would have gone with Dell (who apparently never created a second comic with her.)
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2024, 11:18:21 AM »


Four Color #1304 - Nellie the Nurse

One-panel cartoons
(1) These are cute and funny. I would guess they were magazine cartoons as that's where Katzman did most of his cartoon work, although there are a number of comics that started out in magazines then became newspaper comics (The Little King, Henry, Hazel).

Oddly enough (2) Marvel had a (different) Nellie the Nurse comic starting in 1945 and ending in 1958 (not one run, though) https://www.comics.org/series/name/nellie/sort/chrono/ I wonder if someone at Marvel complained about a potential trademark lawsuit?

Another possible reason for why there wasn't a second issue is that 1962 was the year of the 'divorce' between Dell and Western. For those who don't know Dell was a book publisher and they employed Western to produce the comic book line up until mid-1962 when they went their separate ways. Western held most of the licenses and formed Gold Key comics, whereas Dell had to set up a new comic book line with a handful of licenses. (3) Seeing that Dell had published books of Nellie cartoons I think they insisted Western create a Nellie comic, but after the split the license would have gone with Dell (who apparently never created a second comic with her.)


(1)
Yes they were magazine single-panel cartoons written and drawn by Katzman, that had been printed in "The Saturday Evening Post", and were reprinted in this Dell comic book. 

(2)
Atlas/Marvel Comics stopped publishing their "Nellie The Nurse" comics in 1958.  This "Nellie The Nurse" comic book was issued in 1962.  But Katzman's "Nellie The Nurse" one panel cartoons started in 1950.  If Atlas was going to sue for trademark rights violation, why didn't they do that while they were still publishing their own "Nellie The Nurse", instead of waiting until after they had stopped using those rights.  I doubt that they were planning to use those rights again, and kept the copyright fees up after 1958.

(3)
You are likely correct that given that Dell already had a publishing rights deal with Katzman for publishing reprints of his "Nellie The Nurse" one panel cartoons in pocket books.  So it was likely that Dell also owned the rights to publish the "Nellie The Nurse" comic book (rather than Western Publishing).  Dell could have continued the comic book series regardless of their split-up with Western.  Clearly, the split up had no bearing upon whether or not Dell would issue more books in a "Nellie The Nurse" comic book series.  They had to hire new artists, who didn't work for Western, to draw their remaining and new series with new characters, some owned in-house, and most owned by their new contractees who owned the properties.  For example, Paul Terry Studio had originally leased his publishing rights to "New Terrytoons" and "Mighty Mouse" to Dell in 1960, who had contracted with Western, to have them written and drawn by Western's creative staff.  And then a couple years later, when Western split off that partnership in 1962, Terry's Studio went with Western for both titles. Yet, a few years later in 1966, Terry leased Heckle and Jeckle (who had appeared in "New Terrytoons") back to Dell.  UPA's "Mr. Magoo" was first published by Dell while produced by Western' creators, under their production agreement.  But, unlike Terry Studios' situation, their publishing in the Dell-Western partnership ended before 1962, so it was neither taken to Western's Gold Key Comics, nor continued by Dell using newly-hired artists.  In late 1961, based on Dell's knowledge that their partnership with Western had been agreed upon to be dissolved, Dell planned to revive their Mr. Magoo comic book series, to help bolster their comic book production and comic book economies to scale. So, they reprinted stories from their 1952-54 series in the first issue of their new 2nd series (which we are reviewing in this thread) to tide them over until they could hire their own staff of in-house writers and artists.  They hired Pete Alvarado(who had been one of Western's artists who drew the first UPA/Magoo series, to draw their own new series.  There were a few more previous Dell/Western series that either continued with Dell from the start of the break-up (because their rights had been owned by Dell), or that returned after the break-up, signing new contract agreements with Dell either after having been with Gold Key, or not having any comic book publisher for a period.  Dell also actively sought to lease rights to popular TV, Animation, and live-action film properties to start new series, as well as developing their own.  But, their sales were quite a bit less than they had been during their partnership with Western.
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2024, 07:38:14 AM »

Mr.Magoo - When Magoo Flew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcI-nUD7_KU

Mr. Magoo |Magoo's Puddle Jumper|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKF6REbx2k

I don't find either of those particularly special. Must have been his year. 
I'll take Gerald any day.

QQ, thanks for that list. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2qPfHll-TM
Mister Magoo's Puddle Jumper Wins Short Subject Cartoon: 1957 Oscars

what are Jerry Lewis jokes about? This Movie.

The Bad Seed (1956) Official Trailer - Nancy Kelly, Patty McCormack Movie HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZt7gtFiVJk
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2024, 08:19:51 AM »

Why have you added a link to the live action film, "The Bad Seed", covering serious psychological and sociological issues, together with links to several Mr. Magoo animated cartoon movies?  What connection does "The Bad Seed" have to this fortnight's review books or lead characters? 
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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2024, 12:48:30 AM »


Why have you added a link to the live action film, "The Bad Seed", covering serious psychological and sociological issues, together with links to several Mr. Magoo animated cartoon movies?  What connection does "The Bad Seed" have to this fortnight's review books or lead characters?


Hi Robb - I think I can answer that. I had mentioned that Mr Magoo's Puddle Jumper cartoon had won the Academy Award for best animated short in 1957. Panther put a link to the short film clip where that winner is announced at the awards. In that little clip, there is some banter between Jerry Lewis and the little girl who was in The Bad Seed. So Panther was just giving the clip that explained why Jerry Lewis was making those connections. So a bit of an interesting tangent. I thought it was interesting that Mr Magoo cartoons had won Academy Awards, as the comic books don't seem to be as well received. But as you say, maybe the earlier comic books were better.

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Re: Reading Group #337 - 1960s Slapstick - Mr Magoo and Nellie the Nurse
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2024, 07:04:29 AM »

Thanks QQ,

You have explained it very well.  I'm finding the reactions from others about your choices fascinating, and will comment before the end of the week.

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