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Comics From Around the World

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paw broon

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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2013, 09:09:46 AM »

Ah, Jim, there are so many out there and while my knowledge is relatively limited, I've always been amazed by the number of photo comics that were published in Italy.  I think that "fumetti" might originally have referred to photo comics more than drawn comics. It's only since I got a computer that I realised they were also popular in Central and South America. As soon as I post this note (and finish this excellent cup of coffee), I'm off to my Italian class and I'll try to find time to ask Federica about the origins of fumetti.
It never fails to amaze me just how much there is to find out about comics.  I'm continually being surprised and delighted.  So, all the work Richard is doing is a great addition to our communal knowledge.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2013, 11:11:55 PM »

Thanks Paw,

Actually I think the Photo Novel (story/magazine) was probably a better bet for the publishers. Just my opinion. My thought is.....

1) they did not have to depend on artists/inkers
2) less time waiting for artwork or production
3) you get a bunch of unemployed actors and/or just people period to do a costume shoot (depending on the time period of the story)
4) A camera guy or two shoot the whole thing in a day or two - get the film processed and add word balloons then zip it off to the printers/distributors.
And I am sure this was time wise was quicker and more cost effective than a comic book and all the trappings involved in the production process.

I'd like to add that Japan had photo books as well starting as far as I can tell back in the 1950's. I'll admit they were used mostly for educational purposes but somewhere along the line they did evolve into photo entertainment books along the way when TV came along.

I think/know comics were and are more dynamic and tell a better story than the static - too realistic photo novels that seem to be everywhere except in English speaking countries as far as I can tell.....

And on a side note I have the opportunity to buy two South African photo novels Die Swart Adelaar @ current cost for both (shipping not included, but more on that in a bit) @ $67.00 US. Problem is the gentleman does not ship outside of South Africa. I should say that is problem # 1. Second problem is that the books are on SA's version of Ebay called Bid or Buy which has this weird way of "joining" their site. First off you most likely have to live in South Africa as I have registered with credit card and all the requirements that the site asked for (and there were a lot) and I am still not approved!

Richard
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2013, 03:27:06 AM »

Now that is  dedication to getting some books.
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2013, 06:10:04 AM »

I remember in my younger days when I did a summer French immersion course in Quebec--we were put up in the homes of local families. I got a bedroom that belonged to the son of my hosts (i think he was away at university somewhere). In his bedroom, he had a small collection of French fumetti comics (I'm pretty sure these were from France). The kicker is these were all pornographic fumettis.
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2013, 09:27:18 PM »

The wife's not liking the idea so far......
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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2013, 10:53:05 PM »

ITALY.......A Start.....

I Found this on the 'net some time ago... I found it to be interesting because the Author dealt with the newspaper Dailies, Sunday, and stripped from Comics and such, that ran in the USA being reused in Italy. Have a look (No edits from me) <I lied>:

PART I

"CYCLONE

Marcello Vaccari

Begins in this issue a series of articles that will go to the roots of superhero comics printed in Italy, with an operation of true archeology comics. Having stew read in magazines, fanzines and especially comic books various, repeated inaccuracies on the first appearances of DC characters in Italy, I decided to
shed full light, hunting for books and news among the greatest Italian comic book collectors. All the information you will find in this and the next items come from books in my possession, or that I could see (and copy!) personally. So maybe there will be some omissions, but definitely NO ERROR!.

With the first article I would like to do some 'clarity about what was really the first publication of Superman in Italy. Despite what has been written by almost everyone, the character did not appear for the first time by us in the newspaper "The Bold", but on the number 19 of "The Albi audacity" of 2 July 1939 (then very soon after his American debut) , with the name of the cyclone. As was the practice in those years, the published material came from the pages of American newspapers, and not from books where Superman made his debut on the famous number one "Action Comics", in June 1938. The strips had appeared only as from 16 January 1939, and then the material was not very publishable. Evidently, however, the reception accorded to Cyclone was pretty good, so that the books dedicated to him began to come out on a monthly basis.

Only later landed on the pages of the newspaper L'Audace, since Ranked # 299 of 21 September 1939. Since then you probably unaware of the existence of the Comic Book (or it was not possible to access that source), the American material immediately began to dwindle, and were produced completely new adventures to be published in the billboards, created by the brothers Baggioli, while the original newspaper strips were intended for. It was then for the lack of original material, rather than by order of the notorious MinCulPop (which was circumvented simply by attributing the texts and drawings to Italian) which, after the
first two stories of Siegel and Shuster of the numbers 19 and 25 on Albi audacity came two more adventures made in Italy (in numbers 31 and 34). The designs of Zenobius Baggioli initially try to follow the trail of Shuster, but then they are deviating more and more, and this is most evident in the subsequent books in giant size, where the symbol disappears from the chest (which, however, had never been able Baggioli to understand, since in the first realizations I drew like a shield with a ball in the middle). The stories, Vincenzo Baggioli, are longer and more airy than the American ones, and prefer exotic adventures, as was typical in the Italian comics of the time. Only a small part of the original strips take over some situation.   

Cyclone has no concern to hide his secret identity (so that in the first two books is called even when Cyclone plays the role of Clark Kent), also has been determined that as a journalist calls himself DUB. Also do not even bother for the lives of criminals, and even in the first episode Italian, does everything to kill the bad guy, making him also falling apart the house (without even checking who was inside!), Uttering these words: " All were jailbirds: I believe that justice is done "(!)

These plots certainly testify to the indigenous origin of these books, as well as texts. However, the publishing history of the Cyclone Italic dell'Albogiornale continues in No. 39, and then passes on Albi Juventus in numbers 47 and 55. At this point the Italian production ceases, and on the same Albi Juventus with the number 59 begin to appear in the appendix of the original strips Shuster, after he had stopped the race audacious, and will continue until at No. 82. With the entry of Italy into the war, the provisions of MinCulPop became even more rigid, and all the characters of origin or foreign setting were suspended, including our Cyclone / Superman.

Immediately after the war, always on the head Albogiornale, it is a new character by the name of Cyclone, which has nothing to do with Superman, being rather a parody of man Italian strongman, but evidently intended to leverage the success of from its previous presentation of Superman. The management of the strips of Superman, passed after the war to the newspaper Hooray ', and the entire history of the newspaper and the simultaneous "Collection Masked Man" you can find it in an upcoming issue.

HISTORY

The Albi audacity

# 19 (July 2, 1939) Cyclone Pumping Iron (Siegel & Shuster) with the origin story
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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2013, 10:56:26 PM »

Continued.....

PART II

Part Three: Collection Masked Man and URRA '!

The most important series of the first world war.

Marcello Vaccari

Continues the series of articles that go to the roots of superhero comics printed in Italy, with an operation of true archeology comics. Having stew read in magazines, fanzines and especially comic books various, repeated inaccuracies on the first appearances of DC characters in Italy, I decided to shed full light, hunting for books and news among the greatest Italian comic book collectors. All the information you'll find in this, in the previous and in the next few articles, come from books in my possession or that I could see (and copy!) personally. So maybe there will be some omissions, but definitely NO ERROR!.

We continue with our "digs", and with this third article we try to bring back to life the two most important series containing material superhero immediate postwar period.

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« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2013, 10:57:33 PM »

Continued......

PART III

Part Four: The forgotten heroes

Marcello Vaccari

Continues the series of articles that go to the roots of superhero comics printed in Italy, with an operation of true archeology comics. Having stew read in magazines, fanzines and especially comic books various, repeated inaccuracies on the first appearances of DC characters in Italy, I decided to shed full light, hunting for books and news among the greatest Italian comic book collectors. All the information you'll find in this, in the previous and the next items come from books in my possession, or that I could see (and copy!) personally. So maybe there will be some omissions, but definitely NO ERROR!.

We continue with our "digs", and with this fourth article we try to do some 'clarity on the publication of some lesser-known DC superheroes. Since I'm a very short series, I gathered both in the same article, not to chop too much research. In the next article I will of Superheroes born in Italy.

ALBOGIORNALE

In Italy it was published very little material superhero, coming from the American Comic Book of the so-called Golden Age (Golden Age), ie the period between the appearance of the first superhero ( Superman of 1938), to the almost total disappearance of the genre at the end the 40s. One of the few magazines to
have sipped from that source was The ALBOGIORNALE (New Series), which came out 14 numbers between 1947 and 1948. These books were using as a character carrier Cyclone, which has nothing to do with the name that Superman had been baptized before the war. This cyclone was created in the previous series
dell'Albogiornale, Carlo Cossio, and you might also consider a superhero italics, as provided superhuman strength and a very tough skin (also powers the rest of his predecessor). In fact, this character is always supported by a strong vein of irony, which makes it 'almost a parody of the genre that was more in vogue in those years in Italy: the strong man who had many followers, including the founder Lightning published by the same publishing house. But I would rather bring attention to the characters that were his shoulder, and indeed occupied most of the book. Are presented 4 American characters, all drawn from the register MASTER COMICS publisher's FAWCETT , for instance that of Captain Marvel .

The most assiduous is RADAR (which has nothing to do with the eponymous superhero Italian born several years later), written by Otto Binder and drawn by Al Carreno. This character is in all respects be considered a superhero, even though his adventures are mainly of espionage. It has a number of powers, including the right to pick up radio transmissions to read minds and see through walls. All his stories are strongly influenced by the war just ended, and imbued with grudges against the Germans, the Japanese and fascism in general. Almost all end up with a "moral" against the bullies and the loss of freedom. It 'also appeared on the books of Blek and Gionni.

The second character is the beautiful Nyoka (whose name says it all), The Girl Of The Jungle , one of the classic adventure comics in which the protagonist finds all possible ways to showcase her charms, while remaining very chastened. Despite Nyoka you often find yourself in trouble, demonstrates a really strong character, and she is often to bail out the male partner Larry. Very pleasing designs, especially when it is to deal with the great Krigstein.

The third, and most interesting character is Captain Marvel Jr., here renamed Tony Marvel, which is designed by the great Mac Raboy. E 'is the only member of the Marvel family (and we're not talking about the Marvel Comics character who was not even born yet!) Appeared in Italy, until very recent years, and
therefore has a significant historical value. The same character has done some other sporadic appearance in the appendix to other books of the same publishing house. And 'certainly amazing to see that these comic books, hugely popular in America, were virtually snubbed in Italy, where they arrived only productions in strips for newspapers, and not the vast production of the Comic Book.

The fourth character, present only in a register with a long history, is Bulletman , here flanked by his partner Bulletgirl . The two use a "helmet uranium" which allows him to fly, and are thus typical superhero. Created in 1940 by Jon Small, Bulletman has experienced great success at home, resisting until 1949, and having the honor of its own register. These last two characters, have recently been fished out by Jerry Ordway on the pages of the register dedicated to Captain Marvel (entitled Power of Shazam), but I think it unlikely we will see in Italy.

THE GREAT ADVENTURES OF MAN BAMBOO '

At the end of 1954, probably in the wake of the success of Albi Hawk starring Nimbus Kid, was released a short series with similar characteristics, called "THE GREAT ADVENTURES" and dedicated to the Man Bamboo. As was the case with Nimbus Kid, The Man Bamboo is a curious translation (?) Of an American superhero called, in the original, Dollman . This character was born in 1939 on the pages of # 27 Feature Comics, the publisher Quality Comics (whose rights are now held in the DC), from the pen of Will Eisner and Lou Fine , two of the greatest American cartoonist. The character eventually led to a considerable success,
so do arrive in 1941 to its own register, which lasted 47 issues, up to 10/1953, a year before the publication Italian. End Around 1942 he left his creature to another great, Reed Crandall, who in turn left the character after a couple of years in the hands of other artists like Al Bryant distinguished himself. Dollman (which means Doll Man) had the power to compress the molecules of your body shrinks to become the size of a doll, a power almost identical to that of Atom, character in the DC much later. His name, Darrel Dane, was also retained in the Italian version, along with that of his girlfriend Marta Roberts and other actors. The stories published definitely come from the last period of the American publication.In small books of 20 pages, were placed two other characters of American origin, probably coming more from Quality Comics: Fire Arrow, western character of Fred Meagher whose protagonist is an Indian, and Dale Dale comic character who occupied the last 2 pages. Overall, the books are very nice, with good designs and funny stories, comparable to those of the contemporary Nimbus Kid. The covers are taken from the original of Dollman, but with the colors redone (in fact, the costume is green instead of blue). It is never announced following the book, and all the stories (which still are not serialized except Dale Dale) ending in the number 4, which does not rule out a priori that there are others.

HISTORY

ALBOGIORNALE new series

# 1 30/04/47
# 14 02/15/48

Publisher Juventus

LIST OF EPISODES MADE FROM MASTER COMICS
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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2013, 12:48:23 AM »

to kill the bad guy, making him also falling apart the house (without even checking who was inside!), Uttering these words: " All were jailbirds: I believe

AWESOME would not get that in today's comics
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« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2013, 06:30:38 AM »

I've gone in and tried to fix the paragraph structure as best as I can determine. Sorry an English teacher I am not.

Richard
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paw broon

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« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2013, 04:08:39 PM »

Yes, you can tell a machine translation, can't you?  This is all good stuff and you're getting closer to the real meat as you approach the original Italian characters.
If you don't already have this link,try:-
http://www.fumetti.org/personaggi/default.htm
And you'll need a read at this:-
http://www.collezionismofumetti.com/
particularly for this:-
http://www.collezionismofumetti.com/fumetti.php?idx=15500
Another Mister X here:-
http://www.collezionismofumetti.com/fumetti.php?idx=26898&l=M

More to follow.
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mr_goldenage

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« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2013, 06:33:13 PM »

Yes you can tell a machine translation. That is why the website links. Thank you once again for the marvelous links please keep them coming. A few I had but that is ok. I appreciate the help. And yes you are right the meat is just being gotten to. If you don't mind I might want to run the main article by you if that is ok with you. Let me know. Thanks in advance Paw and I look forward to what is to follow :-).

Richard
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paw broon

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« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2013, 07:12:24 PM »

As they say in ASDA, "happy to help".
Satanax is a French title.  Quirky superhero with a wee feeble speccy guy who can turn into the mighty Satanax when near a flame.  Reverse Martian Manhunter, anyone?
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paw broon

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« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2013, 08:06:16 PM »


Would you like a read at more modern Italian weekly stories?  Lots here:-
http://corrierino-giornalino.blogspot.it/2012/03/il-razzo-vapore.html
Now I need to have a look for links to Neri and Gialli so you can dig up Kriminal; Satanik; Zakimort; Infernal; Spettrus; Demoniak; Mister-X; Sangoor and the rest.
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« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2013, 08:47:27 PM »


I've gone in and tried to fix the paragraph structure as best as I can determine. Sorry an English teacher I am not.

Richard


As a sometime teacher of English (albeit as a second language), the one thing I would suggest to anyone posting online is to read their post out loud to themselves: before posting. 

Granted, this advice might be more useful for native English speakers; however, even learners of English usually develop an ear for the language. I get the sense, from a lot of what I read online, that the writers have never bothered to read their text out to themselves. If you read out loud--and pay attention to the places where you pause--that tells you where the punctuation and line breaks should be.

I don't expect posters to know the difference between a dash and a colon, but as long as there's some punctuation, it makes it a lot easier to read. Online, it's probably better to have more line breaks than what you would have in print, simply because of the way things look on the screen.

Now, I'll go back and read this out to myself and put in some punctuation and line breaks.
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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2013, 04:31:08 AM »

ITALY 1940

# 1

L'Uomo blindato (The Armoured Man) Month ? - 1940

As a character L'Uomo blindato appeared in one story, in the 'Corriere dei Piccoli' in 1940. The layouts were as typical squares, with the words below. It was called L'Uomo blindato (The Armoured Man in English), and it was the young man Spartacus Ferri, who was wearing a mesh outfit, steel mesh, specially treated with the sci-fi equipment, which made him completely invulnerable. Now He was shown in a frantic adventure, to protect the scientist who created it. L'Uomo blindato was a true pioneer, with many points of contact (read: similarities) within the world of superheroes at large and Italy's first true super "powered" hero of the 20th century and the last to be seen until after WW II.

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ITALY 1941

# 2

Maschera Bianca (White Mask) 1941 - 1948

Starting in 1941 and running until 1948, one of the longest running characters in Italian Fumetto, MASCHERA BIANCA fought many battles around the globe in all types of situations. From the ordinary, mundane situations, to the outrageous. The supernatural worlds, Warlords, crooks, would-be world rulers, mad scientist, all were the prevue of the White Mask.

"If there is a district of London where even the cops want to venture out, this is Tidal Basin. Only two people can walk the streets with impunity infested with criminals of all kinds: Gregory Wicks, an elderly taxi driver still in business despite the years, and Dr. Thomas Marfbird, a doctor whose clinic is open day and night to give relief to those who suffers. Of course, the drunken brawls are the order of the day in that place and it is not uncommon for there to escape the dead, but this time the offense on which the chief inspector must investigate and Mason is very different from others. At night, in the middle Endley Street, a man was seen collapsing to the ground by multiple witnesses. It has been stabbed in the heart, but the incredible thing is that none of them knows to provide guidance on the assassin; no one knows where it came from or how he disappeared. The identity of the victim is unknown. Who is the stranger in evening dress who moved to the neighborhood so sordid and infamous? Hampered by a wall of silence, the police try to shed light on a mystery in which truth and legend mingle, a mystery at the center of which there is a face covered by a white mask that man is MASCHERA BIANCA! ."

(1st part by me)
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« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2013, 07:29:56 PM »

Richard, you probably have this link but for others who have noticed your avatar, here's some info on the original Rocambole:-
http://coolfrenchcomics.com/rocambole.htm
And, for those who want a start in the amazing world of French comics and characters, click on this link and enjoy a whole new (old) world - incl. one of my favourites, Fantomette.  (narfstar, spot any similarities to a more modern character?):-
http://coolfrenchcomics.com/index.html
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« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2013, 11:44:54 PM »

Nice looking character some well drawn covers but not sure what modern character other than Bandette you might be referring to. I have to avoid sites like that because I would end up spending many hours there.
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2013, 12:28:15 AM »

I know all about Cool French Comics. Have been there for a few years now, very nice site. Thanks for the link though. Keep them coming I appreciate them. What about the K something one? I am almost done with your DVD. I should finish it this weekend. Things got a bit upended for me with a transfer job wise so I am feeling a a little displaced.

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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2013, 08:30:17 AM »

Yes, that was Bandette.
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« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2013, 10:31:53 AM »

Any similarities? I really enjoy Bandette and for only a buck an issue I hope it continues for awhile but not until it gets stale.
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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2013, 09:15:21 PM »

We return to Prewar Italy (With the USA) Part Two, and, with a follow up with Post War Italy, as an intro to what will come with the Post War Characters that I will start to post soon. The link provided below is the whole article in several parts that will take you to DC's dark italian past to the present and as that didn't really fit with what I am doing here I did not include that here. I hope you enjoy this with very light edits from me.

http://www.mangaforever.net/62978/dc-comics-in-italia-una-sfortunata-vita-editoriale-lunga-70-anni-speciale


Chapter 1 (part 1)

The Prewar with the arrival of Cyclone!

The recent editorial succession beginning of the year between Planeta and RW Lion as publishers of DC Comics in Italy, immediately started with discrete controversy among fans, due to an initial management characterized by (a few) and lights (many) shadows, but above all is emblematic of the historical misfortune that the North American publisher has always enjoyed here with us, then it is worth, on the occasion of the relaunch of its outstanding bonds in DC this month (son of the U.S. for nearly a year Cashing occupying the first places the sales charts), retrace over seventy years of horrific editorial choices which they saw as its protagonists the DC heroes, which sull'italico soil have always been struck by adversity of all kinds, even (and especially) when they had all the cards in order to break through and retain potentially thousands of readers.

With invaluable historical reconstruction of the passionate Marcello Vaccari and his comprehensive articles available online for some years now on the fanzine telematics Glamazonia (get busy with the search engines and you will find some good!), Incorporated and sometimes even extended to other sites, we can now go back with absolute certainty to Italic beginning, in the middle was a fascist (!), the characters DC Comics (then National Periodical Pubblication).

The first sightings occur in fact, already back in 1939, thanks to the forefather of all the heroes in tights or Superman , although not with stories taken from books (started in June of 1938 in America with Action Comics ), but with the daily strips games instead in 1939, and then arrived in Italy almost close to the original edition.

Absolutely the first issue to accommodate super-heroes of the DC should be 19 Albi audacity of 2 July 1939 (!), published at the time by Editions Juventus , with a history of just Superman renamed Cyclone (!) then ( until 1940), appears on three other Albi audacity two of ' Audace ( publisher SAEV-Old ) on a dell ' Albogiornale (the Publishing House Victoria ) and on Juventus Albi (the publishing company New Cremona and Publishing House Vittoria ).

Indeed, given the scarcity of material available on the character were almost immediately commissioned some stories of Italian authors (and will not be the only ones, over the years), or the brothers Vincenzo (lyrics) and Zenobius Baggioli (drawings), is among those who also witnessing significant distortions with respect to the psychology of the character, for example on an adventure Cyclone destroys a house in which he had fled a bandit, saying he was satisfied that he had done justice, however, after having tried to kill him before unceremoniously.

It should be noted then the slew of negative records already in his first appearance, and the name changed, the colorful costume completely red (and yellow pants, when you could tell what color they did), his classic "S" quickly disappeared, translations improbable and alterations / adjustments of the designs until the distortion of the character (with rewrites from scratch stories), we also have a slew of different publishers, almost equal to the number of books published, after starting so searing, a handful of stories random, taken from necklaces also do not original but strips syndicated, published left and right in magazines and various supplements (with different formats and pumping of the cartoons), comes none other than the Second World War to stop immediately any further publication.

And this is just the beginning!

Chapter 1

The Second World War with Wing of Steel, The Ghost and the Eaglet!

A resume Publications DC heroes after the Second World War we think the publishing house Milan (later World Editions ), which reproduce the characters in National on that indicate that many like necklace anthology Masked Man Collection (The series), title, however, never appeared Featured on books that often indeed began with the first table of the story directly as the cover (nice layout publishing decades later will be taken up, through carelessness and

sloppiness, no less than by Rizzoli for his inserts Corto Maltese! ); sometimes could also be used a cover original, often there appeared the main character maybe not even his own name but directly with the title of the story (sigh).

The anonymous necklace weekly from 1945 to 1946 reached the 31 outputs, a dozen of which are dedicated to the DC characters, chief among them Batman (published here for the first time in Italy the number 19), renamed Wing of Steel , perhaps The outlines of her first costume, more squared, sometimes resembling an armature (the one to speak to Detective Comics 27/34), the size was reduced, type booklet, the pages eight (8 diconsi, including the cover!) , and the other DC heroes were presented in turn Green Lantern (obviously the first, Alan Scott!), Crimson Avenger , the Spectre , Hourman and Sandman (renamed before Lightning and then incredibly the Man of the Sand , or in a more adherent to 'original).

The only positive note, so to speak, the use of the stories of the original comic-book and not just those of the daily strips, used primarily on the series. II Collection Masked Man and another series called Hurrah! , by contrast, in addition to the reduced size, the translations uncertain, drawings reworked many stories were directly "modeled" in full by the original transparencies or tracopiate with books by Americans come from us but with the additional passage through the French editions of these books which were the true Italian version (argh!).

Even Superman (renamed a bit 'more appropriately The Man of Steel ), reappears after the War on independent strip of true Collection Masked Man , starting with the number 8 (commonly referred to as II series, actually as I said do not reported no indication on the cover), the head was so named according to the character of the tip which was initially Blue Beetle (Fox then and not yet of DC Comics), also nominated, to simplify things, Phantom of Steel to his first appearance and only after Masked Man (the name by which we will be remembered by the character of Phantom by Lee Falk and Ray Moore).

From number 67 the series changed its name to Collection Man of Steel , just to adapt to the massive presence of the most recurring character, that in the latter period there appear virtually every issue, always on these pages reappear Batman & Robin (the number 58) , but renamed The Phantom & the Eaglet , which continue to be published both here (until 1948) and on a new title called Hurrah! (output throughout 1947, and where he began Robin ), who will share necklace as well as with Superman also with Tarzan . (!)

Regarding sizes (differing from the original), translations (so-so), tracopiature, additions and remodeling of the drawings, nothing will change, however, certainly there were other times, much pioneering, with more objective difficulties in obtaining the original materials, but especially in an era where the sensitivity and care towards the material to be published was the complete opposite of what, after decades of horror editorials, we worked so hard to achieve today, where a logic of respect for the work and the original authors are, fortunately for us, the most universally accepted and especially culturally acquired, both by those who read it to the publisher (though not always, with some exceptions).

In short, they were also real "crimes" (punishable by life to the death penalty:-p), now would be time-barred, certainly, was not very comforting as a beginning, and if you see a good in the morning ...

Chapter 2 - The Mondadori & Nimbus Kid!(Part 1)

Albi The Hawk and the Superalbo Nimbus-Kid!

After a debut that define atrocious, editorially speaking, for the heroes of DC, is an understatement, published at random and pure evil, without the correct format, the credits, the original covers, and often also the stories (because modeled on the transparencies from the pages already printed editions of the American or French), not to mention the free translations and misleading, sometimes even completely adverse to the psychology of the characters, the ball goes to the publishing giant Mondadori few years after the end of World War II.

In May of 1954 in fact part of the series so far the longest running (and probably more successful), dedicated to the heroes of DC in Italy, or those of Albi Falco - Nimbus Kid for sixteen years (until March 1970, through three decades and a few changes of title and sizes!) held on newsstands bench and bring the characters of the Universe Batman & Superman to become popular here too, as you can guess from the title, the name of Superman is changed once again in Nimbus Kid ( The Boy Cloud ... sigh), it is said to avoid having to pay for the rights to her original name, which at the time forced the publisher to change the costume (and mantle) of the character cancellandogli once again the classic "S" and leaving him with a triangolone first red, then yellow (meaningless) on the chest (argghh).

The format was again the booklet, the Mickey Mouse so to speak, because that newspaper publishing already in that format was pretty much a must use it for other characters, more or less aimed at the same target in the same period also, again in May 1954, the Mondadori Varava also the head sister, or the boards of the Rose , another albetto tapped a few pages that had Disney characters (later became the Albi Mickey ), which is also of great success, which allowed given the same format (32 pages a) a reduction of costs typography.

Initially proposals are systematically stories from the major newspapers of the only Man of Steel or Action Comics and Superman , that unfortunately does not change, the old and "rustic" first editions, are the alterations of the drawings (starting precisely from the costume Superman / Nimbus Kid ) and the translations more or less "free" than the original, on which there is little to put my finger on it, if Superman is in fact named once again changed and lifestyle changes, not much better in Batman who suffers the same fate, with the only difference that the costume change him twice.

The first appearance of the Dark Knight is the number 33, after over a year of publications (initially fortnightly), with the first story proposal from the series World's Finest (the one that had the team-up of Superman and Batman ), the costume was stained entirely of red, because of alleged similarities with the Phantom at that time was very popular here as well, however the name was changed to Bat , maybe closer to the original meaning, but which led to aberrations such as the bat-mobile or the bat-plano called Pipistrel-mobile or pipis-mobile and pipis-plano (argh!) or, at best, auton and aeron (sigh and sob!).

Worse goes to Robin , initially held equal to or just do not appointed (or so were avoided imaginative reworking of his original name!), and with the colorful costume before red, like Batman , then sometimes even pink (if nothing else, the Mondadori publish all his books with colorful pages that will alternate with those in b / w two and two are not, in part by limiting the damage) with the number 103 Albi Hawk arrive at weekly intervals, and 105 begin to be finally published stories of the ' Bat Man taken from his main necklaces (ie Detective Comics and Batman ) and especially at least the name is changed to the original one (with all the logical consequences on its connected equipment), the costume is colored instead once again in a busted with the colors red and blue in the opposite way to those of Superman almost to act as his counterpart (type boots and gloves blue, red suit, as opposed to those of the ' Man of Steel ). As they say, really good as "new" beginning!


Chapter 2 - The Mondadori & Nimbus Kid! (Part 2)

From the Comics Code Moral Warranty!With the re-start right in the middle of the 50s in America a lot of magazines dedicated to new DC heroes (and not just the famous Silver Age ), Mondadori finally has something to fill his albetto without resorting to in-house production of his stories, which, however, will continue to do more or less convincingly almost until the end of his publications (if you will still be on, for example necklaces end of Superman and Batman ), then arrive in random order and in dribs and drabs, Flash, Green Arrow, Green Lantern , the Justice League / Friends of the Law, the Teen Titans, Martian Manhunter / the Hound Martian, Hawkman & Hawkgirl / Falco & Alata, Atom (thankfully not all mangled or renamed so absurd as Supergirl / Nimbus Star, Wonder Girl / Light or Bizarre / Duplex ).

In June of 1960 comes out then a kind of almanac monthly (along the lines of that of Mickey Mouse , as well as size), called Nimbus Superalbo Kid , who after sixty numbers became Batman - Nimbus Kid switching to quindicinalit
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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2013, 09:26:57 PM »

Richard, once again, good work. The thing with Nembo Kid was the rubbing out of Supes S on his chest and when Batman was on the cover, his unicorm colour was different.  Oddly enough, The Phantom had a colour change for his costume in Europe.
I'm sure youalready have this link but if not, try


http://www.fumetto100.it/ita/cronologia.asp
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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2013, 09:46:33 PM »

Thanks for all the links Paw. Yes I have had this one just recently, although I take issue with some of the timeline as it skips a lot of info. And for one, Ace of Spades came out in 1945 (when I don't know) but was published in 1946 through 1949 in Argentina and Italy and Pratt moved to Argentina in the late 1940's.

An excerpt from what I will post soon:

"After the war, Pratt moved to Venice where he organized spectacles for the Allied troops. Later Pratt joined the Venice Group with other Italian cartoonists, including Alberto Ongaro and Mario Faustinelli. His inspiration could be traced back to his reading of authors like James Oliver Curwood, Zane Gray, Kenneth Roberts, as well as the comic books by Lyman Young, Will Eisner and mainly Milton Caniff. Their magazine, Asso di Picche, launched in 1945 as Albo Uragano, concentrated on adventure comics. The magazine scored some success and published works by young talents like Dino Battaglia, Rinaldo D'Ami and Giorgio Bellavitis. The character Asso di Picche ("Ace of Spades") was a success, mainly in Argentina, where Pratt was invited in 1949."

but that's just quibbling. The early stuff is well worth the site alone. I will post it when I am almost done with the Italy thing as to give a historical depth to the Italian comic scene as I don't think too many people appreciate the history of Italian comics. After this I know I certainly have a deeper understanding and respect for Italy's contribution to comics, not to mention the new-old characters for me to catalog! How exciting! And.....Maybe I will convince the wife to let me buy some of these Italian books.

By-the-way.
What Italian comics if I were to buy some would not be allowed on CB +? I think it is a good idea to ask before I buy with the intent to scan and upload. Other than that I will buy what appeals to me. Again thanks for the links and keep them coming. Take care.

Richard
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« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2013, 06:34:04 AM »

ITALY 1945 PART I

For Italy the war is effectively over and the Allied Power was in Command and Control. Here is were we come in as readers. Let us take a look at what is going on........................

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Asso Di Picchi (L'As de pique, Ace of Spades, 1945-1949)

Published on the pages of the magazine, Asso Di Picchi is a mysterious avenger who fights against the terrible first band of the Panthers, led by a cruel Eastern Fu Manchu. Following the address of Club 5, a sort of forerunner organization Spectre, will live an adventure in Venice and will face the Nazis. In the life of every day we find him in the role of journalist Gary Peters, and no one, including his girlfriend, Deanna Farrell, suspects that he and the masked hero are actually the same person. The Ace of Spades was created by Alberto Ongaro and Hugo Pratt and appeared in the comic strip "Asso di Piche" (Albi Uragano, 1945-1949). Asso di Picche ("Ace of Spades") is a masked vigilante who, assisted by his Chinese servant Wang, fights crime in the persons of the Nazis, the Yellow Peril Band of Panthers, and the Club of the Five. After capturing criminals the Ace of Spades leaves behind his namesake playing card. The Ace's civilian identity is journalist Gary Peters. GIMMY is Gary;s loyal sidekick,


Before the ANAF and then ANAFI: fans of the speech bubbles always have many opportunities to discover and original stories and characters, often live in the memory of readers, but absent for some time from newsstands or from libraries. The beautiful magazine " Comics "offers periodic revivals of the past that this is, in publications for members but sometimes can also be found in some comics, the size of real anthology. It 's the case, for example, of the Ace of Spades, perhaps the first adventurous hero of Italian comic risen about seventy years ago, after the war. They were authors Mario Faustinelli and Hugo Pratt, the great designer then novice, who had discovered the comics during his stay in Africa. The papers of the American soldiers were stories of Milton Caniff, Chester Gould or maybe Al Capp, whose designs captivated the young
Pratt. After the Liberation and the end of the problems of war, around the two authors gathered in Venice a group of young hopefuls and promising, the future writer Alberto Ongaro the future director Damiano Damiani, who with others created the Ace of Spades , a comic that was named after the protagonist of the
main story. In the events of this character mysterious and disguised as Superman was the atmosphere of the great American adventure. But for Italians these stories - that we can judge fairly predictable - they were a novelty, and were discovering new worlds. Behind the mask and the suit with the symbol of the
Ace of Spades, lies a mysterious and courageous journalist who fights crime clan of the Black Panthers and the Club of 5. Performs valiant companies and also manages to preserve the mystery of his identity, ignored even by his girlfriend. The magazine, as all the initiatives lack of funds, his life ended early.
But in the meantime had piqued the interest publisher Civita, a jew Italian refugee in Argentina after the racial laws. So it was that Pratt and many of his friends moved there, some for a short time, others, such as the father of Corto Maltese, for a dozen years. For Pratt was an extraordinary period, especially after meeting with Oesterheld. With writer, a victim of the Argentine dictatorship in 1972, has created unforgettable characters and stories, by Sergeant Kirk to Ernie Pike, Wheeling, etc.. But before he had made ​​other stories of the Ace of Spades, remained unpublished in Italy. Four of these are now collected in the volume dell'ANAFI, curated by Gianni Brunora Gallinari and Paul, with historical and critical interventions that allow you to better frame those years in which the Italian comic became a little 'Argentine, and vice versa, given the durable good relations among the authors of the two countries. Hugo Eugenio Pratt (June 15, 1927
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