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Week 101 - Santa Clause Funnies #1 v Adventures in Wonderland #5

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MarkWarner

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Week 101 - Santa Clause Funnies #1 v Adventures in Wonderland #5
« on: December 16, 2015, 07:29:44 PM »

After celebrating a 100 weeks of (mainly) cool reading we plod merrily on to #101.

A couple of nights ago, I was sitting in my comfy armchair drinking mulled wine, when a sooty piece of paper floated out of the fireplace. After a bit of deciphering, this is what was written on it:

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"You gave a challenge I had to respond. I found two versions of "A Christmas Carol" one traditional in  Santa Clause Funnies #1, the other using Scrounge for Scrooge and Cringle for Cratchet in Adventures in Wonderland #5 "The Man Who Didn't Believe in Christmas." I guess they were worried about copyright.  In the same issues are Santa Clause in Trouble vs Santa's In a Dilemma."



I had a look and our chimney climbing note writer was right. So this week is a comparison: with Santa Clause Funnies https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=29465 and Adventures in Wonderland https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=16673



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Re: Week 101 - Santa Clause Funnies #1 v Adventures in Wonderland #5
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 05:30:12 AM »

A Christmas Carol - An interesting adaptation, some parts cut, but otherwise the basic story is intact. The art didn't grab me as anything special, but it did the job.

The Man Who Didn't Believe In Christmas - Now this is interesting. While obviously based on Dickens, it takes a different direction to get to the same ending. I wonder if it was done that way because straight adaptations were considered too common, or if the writer didn't like the supernatural elements and wanted a more realistic version?

While I liked the new elements, Scrounge's change seemed too drastic in so short a story.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 05:53:01 PM »

I wrote quite a lot about these 2 titles, particularly Adventures in Wonderland, which gave me the dry boak. I'm still not sure if I should post them as I do not wish to cause offence.
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MarkWarner

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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 07:23:35 PM »

Go on let's read! No suss words  though ... lol
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 07:57:11 PM »

Adventures in Wonderland. My goodness, this is terrible and it's only saving grace are the 2 PAM? female faces illustrating the text story. Let's be really cruel to the wee baby elephant!!  But it's all right as the circus weirdos are planning a birthday party for it???? Awful, and nasty.
As for the Scrounge bawdlerisation of Scrooge, it all happens too quickly and it takes his personal loss of money and the view of poverty that appears before him to make him, of a sudden, religious and get on his knees.  Typical of lots of capitalists.  Greed and miserliness and hell mend the rest, suddenly changes when the spectre of being destitute appears.  Or, as we see in the UK often, big companies are complete capitalists until something goes badly wrong, the owners and shareholders fear ruin and suddenly become socialists demanding that the government - and that means the public purse - give them handouts.
Excuse the rant, please.  It's the effect of this comic.
Whereas, the Dell Santa Claus Funnies is at least a nice looking comic.  Not so sure about the sugary, Christian niceness.  Yes, the comics are for children, so, perhaps I'm too old and grumpy to be impressed by them but I still relish Rupert or The Broons Christmas adventures because they are not schmaltzy.
Is there any truth in that First Christmas Tree story?  Perhaps some of you who are religious could tell me. It's too nicey-nicey and superstition based.
I wrote a lot more but decided to delete it as I didn't want to offend the more religious among us.
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Re: Week 101 - Santa Clause Funnies #1 v Adventures in Wonderland #5
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2015, 02:25:25 AM »

This may seem strange to most but I preferred Wonderland. I do not care for repeats and I knew most of the stories in Funnies. No Paw there is not truth to the first Christmas tree story. I did enjoy Santa in Trouble, even though it was too predictable. I liked the quirkiness of Dilemma better. Some more interesting twists in it with the keeper of the rainbow providing color and his the solution when he did not. More imaginative than in Trouble. Same reason I preferred Man Who Did not Believe in Christmas more. It took the story and added some twists to it. I do enjoy the religious bent to it. The art was ugly but also interesting. While the art in Funnies was much better over-all, I have always thought of the writing as the most important part and Wonderland was more creative.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 09:00:03 AM »

These two comics make an interesting comparison. As usual I had to read everything. I responded more to the art than to the stories. What first caught my eye is the extra effort that went into the design of Santa Claus Funnies. The running heads, between-panel decorations, and frequent open borders give everything a storybook look, as does the upper/lower case Leroy lettering. The artwork is strong throughout. I especially like L. Bing's work on "Santa Claus in Trouble" and Arthur Jameson's classic-style drawings for "The First Christmas Tree." Walt Kelly does great cartoon work. He draws mice better than anyone, but his pink octopi are a little scary.The art on "A Christmas Carol" is the weakest in the book. The artist sloughs off important detail and gets sloppier as the story progresses. Robert Graefa's Santa Claus in the final story looks like he's been going to Weight Watchers.

In contrast Adventures in Wonderland seems to have been thrown together at the last moment. The art in each story starts weak and deteriorates by the page. Short deadlines? Elmo the flying elephant is not only "inspired" by Dumbo; the artist also swipes the Disney character design. I wonder why Santa's beard is grey in "Santa's in a Dilemma." There are frequent errors in grammar and spelling, like the troubadour who sings "ballards."

Storywise Santa Claus Funnies presents the familiar American Christmas I grew up with. On the one hand, benign Protestant Christianity; on the other, Santa Claus materialism. As was the case in my youth, Santa gets top billing. The lead story is odd, though. At first the queen is a sympathetic character. But when Mr C acts like a jerk she suddenly is so angry she tries to ruin Christmas for all the kids in the world. The captions are presented "European style," at the bottom of the panel, though they're supposed to be read first. It drives me nuts!

I've never read Andersen's "The Fir Tree," but it's weird enough to be a genuine fairy tale. The tree yearns to be chopped down (i.e. killed). After he is cast out, he is redeemed by being burned so his ashes can look down on the old neighborhood. Ick. Nice mice, though. The adaptation of "A Christmas Carol" does the job but it moves way too fast. It helps to have read the story.

The stories in Adventures in Wonderland are a mess. Paw Broon has pointed out the cruelty toward Dumb--sorry, Elmo--in the first story. The Santa story desperately needs another edit. The elves melt candy to make the missing colors, but they also seem to make toys from the candy, even though real toys have already been made. It doesn't help that some of the dialogue is in rhyme (which doesn't scan) and some isn't. I didn't read the text story, but I liked PAM's cute kid.

The non-adaptation of "A Christmas Carol" is strange, indeed. I picture the editor saying, "Everybody does 'A Christmas Carol.' Change the names and massage the story a little and the kids won't realize we're fobbing another adaptation off on them."

Paw is onto something in his socio-economic critique of this story. The difference between Santa Claus Funnies and Adventures in Wonderland is the difference between the "average Joe" concept of pre-War America and the "build business and kill the Commies" spirit of Cold War days. In Dell's "Carol" Scrooge comes to understand the walls he's built around himself with his money. After his conversion he becomes one of the family. Though he's still the boss, he's abandoned his notions of superiority.

In the Lev Gleason "Carol" rip-off the poor are noble, as they are in Dell's, but Non-Scrooge learns a different lesson. He is brought to his knees (literally) not by facing his shortcomings but by losing all his dough. The only fault he finds in himself is that while he was rich he didn't let his wealth trickle down to the underclass. When his wealth is restored, we know Scrounge will be nicer to folks, but only as a patriarch. He'll share his well-deserved wealth with the average Joes but he'll never be one with them.

The stories echo other post-War concepts. Santa is now a businessman. Faced with a production standstill he calls a meeting of the Board to brainstorm a solution. And consider that Scrounge's neo-Cratchit requests time off not to be with his family, but to do Christmas shopping.

The strangest story in the issue is "A Rebellion in Toyland." Toyland's despotic king selects stocking-stuffers for Santa, a sort of Uber-King who must be obeyed. Everything will be fine if the toys do as they're told, but a grumpy cat doesn't feel like going. He has no reason; he's just an agitator. He gathers other misfits and attempts an armed revolt. A loyal clown bombs the rebels, winning the King's respect and a place in a stocking. It's interesting that a crafty Asian leads the treasonous toys and that one of his henchmen speaks in ghetto dialect. This story is a true Cold War fable. It combines the nasty paradox of the American 50s, that peace and freedom arise from conformity and obedience, with the fear that alien subversives are plotting to destroy the proper order.

All very interesting.
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Re: Week 101 - Santa Clause Funnies #1 v Adventures in Wonderland #5
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2015, 05:10:31 PM »

By the time of Wonderland Lev Gleason was only a few months from extinction. The Code had killed their Crime empire. Pay was probably down to almost nothing and it showed. Funnies was put out during a heyday. They could afford the best at the time. Even at that I may be the only one that enjoyed Wonderland more.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2015, 08:21:18 PM »

I am very slowly getting into the Christmas mood. So, I am hoping these two books will kick-start this year's Yuletide Mission..

I started off with the Santa Claus Funnies version of "A Christmas Carol" and it is great. A faithful rendition, and the artwork is excellent. If only all comic book adaptations of great stories were as good as this!   

Next is "The Man Who Didn't Believe in Christmas". Despite similar names and sentiments this is very different from the original story. Unfortunately, as is pretty much always the way, this was a pale imitation. The feeling of loss is compounded by the art not being on a par with the Santa Claus Funnies version.

Next I read the two Santa Stories.     

I think that "Santa's in a Dilemma" could easily have be used in one of those dreadful time management / crisis management courses I was forced to attend when I was a corporate serf. Basically he had all year to organize things, so I have very little sympathy for him!

In contrast, in "Santa Claus in Trouble" he appears to have things under control, but bumps across a tricky problem and rides his luck. We even have a bit of Santa cussing: "Out of my way you snowballs".

I also read Elmo's First Christmas in Adventures in Wonderland, and BLIMEY!!! Elmo IS Dumbo, a flying baby elephant, with a mouse as a best friend!! Hmmmm ... I guess Disney were not as litigious in 1956 as they are today! Also, I was proved correct that changing yourself into a cookie to hang on a Christmas tree is the smartest of ideas!

Verdict: I really enjoyed the faithful (ish) version of "A Christmas Carol", but the other one pretty much stunk. BTW, that Dickens bloke could certainly tell a tale, I wonder if he wrote anything else? I also much preferred "Santa Claus in Trouble" , so I declare Santa Claus Funnies the clear comic book winner. 
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2015, 10:45:32 PM »

I found both adaptations of Dicken's tale to be  a bit lacking in both art and writing. I suppose I'd have to pick Santa Clause Funnies as the winner, but not by much.

"Santa Clause in Trouble" was a fun little yarn with good art and writing. "Lord Octopus Goes to the Christmas Fair" was my favorite- great art by Kelly for a wonderful little rhyme. Overall, a quite nice Christmas comic for the kids, well up to Dell's standards.

As for the Wonderland issue, "A Rebellion in Toyland" held my interest the best of all the stories. A bit quirky but enjoyable. "Santa's in a Dilemma" wasn't bad either

Comparing these two comics, I'd have to give Dell the prize for a better product, as a whole. Gleason would win for more original writing.

Hope you all are having a Merry Christmas. Christmas Cheers, Bowers
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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2015, 02:29:58 AM »

Bowers it is good to know I was not alone in my opinions we see it much the same.
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 03:23:56 AM »

Gotta go with the first one as more faithful to Dickens and liked the art a bit more...getting "Scrooge" in a praying posture like they did in the second one reminded me of those Jack Chick Tracts we have here in North America that promote a fundamentalist message.
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