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Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!

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MarkWarner

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Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« on: August 03, 2017, 01:04:21 PM »

I have had a few reading book suggestions appear (PLEASE keep them coming). This week's is one of them. Considering the state of the world and "certain" recent election results, I am expecting the the odd spark or two or three.

The book is "Your Vote Is Vital" which can be found here https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=69304 and it is a c2c read.

Happy reading (I think)


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Kracalactaka

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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 02:46:48 PM »

So it looks like we are pretty much gonna talk politics on purpose, hoo boy........

As I scanned this little gem (and it is Pamphlet sized), the 1952-ness of it struck me. However, I think the basic message of participating (knowledgably) in democracy still resonates.

It's "very white" of course, another factor of it being published in 1952 (a presidential election year btw).

there is a reference to Jim Crow laws on Page 11 (education testing/requirements) but the book does not seem (to me) to favor or oppose them, it just says they are there and might apply depending on where you live.

Lots of good quotes in this one, but I'll just regurgitate one of them:

"A SMART CITIZEN VOTES FOR THE BEST CANDIDATES REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY!"

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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 03:34:47 PM »

One of the reasons that THE MAKING OF A PRESIDENT was such a big hit in the early 60's was that a lot of Americans simply did not know how their system worked at all. The book took them through the primaries and right through to the final election and readers were totally captivated.
This comic pretty much did the same thing on a more modest scale. The art was effective in keeping interest as a lot of information was presented to the reader. Wally Wood had those guidelines from his studio on how to spice up a boring script that we've probably all seen, and he would have been proud of their technique here.
The art was very good...my big laugh was on the cover....is Mandrake trying to vote, or is that Mr Lodge sneaking in from Archie comics?

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Kracalactaka

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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 07:58:05 PM »

speaking of the ably done art, anyone have a clue who did it?

I'm thinking Avison on the cover because it reminds me a lot of the art style on all those JVJ Harvey romance books I edited. But art ID is not my Forte.

I did however reach out to JVJ himself to see if he could illuminate us.
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 09:07:32 PM »

THAT was my next question, Krac'....and yeah, I can see your point...all you need is a tear running down the ladies face with a more somber expression, and a word ballon that says; "I love him, but he won't register. How can I can care about a man who doesn't care for his country??"


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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2017, 06:25:27 AM »

Okay for what it was.

Of course America is supposed to be a Representive Republic rather than a Democracy.

Also considering the intelligence of the people Uncle Sam was trying to get to vote, do we really want them making decisions about who gets elected?  ;)
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2017, 06:30:19 AM »


all you need is a tear running down the ladies face with a more somber expression, and a word ballon that says; "I love him, but he won't register. How can I can care about a man who doesn't care for his country??"


Now that might make for a fun read. The importance of voting done in different styles, romance, horror, superhero, etc., tongue-in-cheek, but conveying important information.
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Kracalactaka

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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2017, 02:16:46 PM »

Well  I heard back from JVJ about the art ID, here is what he said:

" I think you're partially right,
There's definitely a lot of Avison here, but the primary penciler is, I think, Warren Kremer, who was also a major player at Harvey. Kremer was also a chameleon - able to mimic various styles at will. Here he's doing a very sedate, "sophisticated" look to minimize the comic book aspects. Very clean, more so than Avison usually would manage, even at his best.

The cover is Avison, as are the "flashback pink/black" sequences. Most of the inks are Avison, too.

Kremer pencils the rest and inks a few faces and bodies here and there. Or maybe another hand besides Avison is at work on some of the inks.

Hope that helps. Of course, that is simply what I THINK!!!! Nobody "KNOWS" for sure.

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 06:27:07 PM »

It's hard to read this idealized version of American politics without the bitter taste of irony. Uncle Sammy himself says it: "When you don't vote, you make it easy for organized minorities to grab control of our government...minority rule can lead to graft [and] corruption." It's funny that people who put out this sort of book were always fixated on the Commies taking control when our present disaster came from the other end of the spectrum.

The book glosses over voter suppression tools like literacy tests and pointedly shows only white people voting. Par for the course in the 50s, I guess. "...decide if we need schools more than bombing planes or battleships more than post offices." With both schools and post offices on the hit list, I guess we've answered that one.

The artwork is perfectly competent. You don't expect fancy stuff in  educational comics. I wouldn't recognize Al Avison if he shot me at noon on Broadway. Or Warren Kremer either. So I'll take the experts' word for it.

This book is an interesting companion to that Dan Barry book about demagogues. There, too, the intent was to stoke fears of communists, socialists, labor unions, etc. etc. but today the words and music are sung by Fox News. In the final estimation this is a nice fantasy.
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2017, 02:48:00 AM »

I was wondering; this was a pamphlet with no price, so it was given away free, I'm assuming.
How come?
Who wanted it done, and WHY? Who gave it out after it was made?
I asked crashryan if he thought that this was Harvey's way of maybe atoning for their own horror comics that might have been getting bad ink by then.
The math, to me, seems about right: Fredric Wertham had started his crusade back in '48, right? SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT was 2 years away, but READERS DIGEST already had a condensed version of one of his articles, if memory serves.
If I look through the Harvey listings here on the site, I'm seeing stuff that would have made the good doctor blow out an 'o' ring...Black Cat in her fetish wear costume, had been going strong since '46, WITCHES TALES had been out there since the year before this pamphlet.
So was this a way to make nice with some of the more conservative publishers in the biz and create a bit of good PR?
And did it work enough for them to be able to get MAN IN BLACK OUT nearly five years after this? 
I just can't figure out any other explanation for making a run of this.
What do you think?
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2017, 03:35:50 AM »

if you look at the back cover there is a blurb at the bottom about quantities (meaning a lot)  avail at low cost.

this would not have been avail at newsstands like normal comics.

Those "quantities" would have been sold in bulk to in all likelihood to school districts who would then use them as supplemental material in High School Govt classes and such.

Local Election boards may have been customers too. Distributing these in voter registration drives .

I VERY much doubt this had anything to do with Wertham etc, 1952 was in the heart of Harvey Horror, SOTI and the code were 2 years away.

And I really doubt any comic creators or publishers felt they needed to make up for anything.

(If you don't want your kid to have a comic with a guy with an axe buried in his forehead on the cover then be a stricter parent)
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2017, 11:33:27 AM »

With a few obvious changes needed, this should still be given out in civics classes. I hear far too many say that they do not vote. For the most part I am glad that they do not. Anyone who does not know what the candidates stand for should stay at home.  I like how Uncle Sam stresses personal responsibility to know who you are voting for and why.
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2017, 04:50:56 PM »

Okay, so we're talking about the same kind of deal you get when people buy those Jack Chick tracts to hand out. Yeah, I can see that. (For our off shore friends, Jack Chick will sell you pocket size missionary comic books they call tracts. You give them out free to people or leave them where they will find them. The tracts are about two inch by three, have gnarly art and threaten you with hell fire if you don't convert. No really. You get to see people tossed into the Lake of Fire who didn't get their name into the book of life. You run into them in men's rooms, laundry mats, and when we used to have phone booths, they were there too...of course there is a web site...you won't believe them...)
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2017, 10:34:00 PM »

and you are gonna make us google that? link please sir!  :P
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2017, 11:02:22 PM »

Interesting comparison, Morgus, to Jack Chick comics. But I think narf is closer to the answer. I had almost forgot they used to have civics classes in schools--judging from my kids' experience the subject has been folded in to general US history--and comics like these would be a good fit. Ditto Boy Scouts / Cub Scouts /Girl Scouts. i can also imagine them being distributed at 4th of July parades, though I've never seen signs of that.
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2017, 01:38:07 PM »

Having just come back from a wee holiday, and some digital detox, I find this book up for review.  As I live in Scotland, U.K. ( I make the distinction as we have slightly different voting systems for different elections in Scotland as in England), reading the book has informed me a bit more about an alien democracy.  I was intrigued to note Unca Sam's mention of "major political parties" and I wonder, apart from Democrats and Republicans, what they are, or were.  Do these other parties still exist, or has the U.S.A coalesced into a 2 party state?  If they do still exist, what is their power base and do they influence which Dem or Rep candidate gets elected?
All the points about voting and finding out what the parties and their candidates stand for, or advocate, is so important.  Problem is trusting them to go through with what they promise, as, often, the promise becomes an aspiration, then something that can't be done for many and varied reasons.  By that time that candidate is in parliament, or whatever the American equivalent is.
To explain the voting system here in Scotland, we have a vote every 5 years for the Scottish parliament which is by a form of proportional representation - deliberately imposed to try to ensure the SNP did not gain power in Scotland.  Fortunately that backfired as a big majority of voters voted for them. We also have  a vote, supposedly every 5 years nowadays, for the Westminster parliament where non-devolved matters are proposed and voted on. Obviously, there are local council elections, and here as in the other elections, there are a number of candidates from various parties standing. 
The problem of the Westminster elections as a first-past-the-post system with highly unequal voter numbers in the different costituencies is that there can be a govt. elected with a majority of M.P.s but a minority share of the vote. Some forms of PR can lessen this problem. It used to be the case that in the U.K. we had a 2 party system, with some interference run by the Liberal Party, who were often a minor 3rd. party, often not gathering many M.P.s on a reasonably big vote. Now though, there are other parties trying to get reps elected, again gaining sizeable votes but little or no representation in Westminster.  First-past-the-post doesn't work well with more than 2 parties.  In Scotland we have a choice of candidates from 5 parties who can be described as popular, plus others such as UKIP; SLP and of course, independents. A p.r. system allows more voters to have the chance of someone they fancy putting their views forward at Holyrood.
I was also interested to find it was a private company who issued this book.  It seems to me that this sort of publication would have been a govt. issue as voter interest and participation is vital for any democracy.
But don't you think that the different voting methods shown in the book, and nowadays problems with hanging chads, miscounting and the increasing bile projected by different side to their opponents, could put "the man in the street" off?  Also. I remember a few years ago here, there was an uproar as voters said they didn't know how to fill out a voting form - it was too complicated!  I tend to agree with narfstar and his opinions, something I thought I'd never find myself saying ;)
Coming back to the U.K. it seems that fewer people are voting, especially in Westminster and local council elections, where the % is well below 50% in most cases. Perhaps we need more of this sort of publication to encourage "the man on the Clapham omnibus" to get out and vote - or perhaps our politicians should be a bit more open and honest with the electorate.
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2017, 06:21:22 PM »

Paw, though there is no restriction on the number of parties in the  US, it is for all intents and purposes a two-party nation. Over the years the two major parties have passed various regulations, both at the national and the state levels, designed to keep it that way. For example, the Presidential debates (not a government program) had been staged by the non-partisan League of Women Voters. A while ago the debates were taken over by a D/R coalition group which raised requirements for "third parties" to a point where chances are slim that an embarrassing minor candidate, from the left or right, will win a spot in the debates.

There are plenty of third parties (the usual term here for minor parties), many of which have been around forever( e.g. the Lyndon LaRouche group and the Green Party) . But in America national media coverage is crucial. The news outlets are interested mainly in the horse race. They almost always ignore third parties. Lacking the millions of dollars needed for a national ad campaign, alternative parties usually are known only among people who already support them. Consequently their only effect on the Presidential elections is to act as spoilers, draining enough votes from one major party to throw the election to the other. Many believe that Ross Perot's Reform Party siphoned off enough 1996 Republican votes to cost Bob Dole the election (he ran against Bill Clinton). Similarly some liberal critics accuse Ralph Nader's 2000 Green Party run of enabling George Bush's win over Al Gore.

We've had many attempts to institute proportional representation and other methods to better reflect the public will. Some have been downright strange--for example an "open primary" system in which the two top vote-getters, regardless of party, win the two General Election spots. This has led to Congressional races in which two Republicans or two Democrats run against each other without competition from the other side. Progressive groups have tried to float a multiple-choice variation of proportional representation where you'd list several candidates in order of preference. None of these schemes have gained much traction; the pressure from the Big Two to retain the status quo is too great. If you want to get anywhere in national politics you align yourself with one of the main parties.
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 02:09:28 AM »

Paw I am sure you have likely watched Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister. It really is that bad in politics. In the US as long as we have campaign finance which is really bribery the big two will dominate and stay corrupt. We also have an extremely biased media with Fox for Republicans and all the rest far left for Democrats. So getting the real story is not often easy.
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2017, 02:37:17 AM »

Canadian politics is similiar to but different from the UK. On the national level we go to the polls every four years, unless the government loses a non-confidence vote. If that happens our Governor-General (who represents our head of state, Queen Elizabeth II) can either call for an election or ask another party to try and form a government. We currently have five parties in the House of Commons (our elected house): Liberal, Conservative; New Democratic Party, The Greens and the Bloc Quebecois. The last one only runs candidates in the province of Quebec and is dedicated to Quebec becoming a separate country. We also have a Senate which is appointed and he senators used to be either Liberal or Conservative (the only person appointed to the Senate as a member of the NDP got kicked out of the party for accepting the positiion). However all new senators are nowadays appointed as independents and are chosen by an independent group, not the government of the day.
There are a number of fringe parties but they never attract enough support to really mean anything. The only one that ever got much publicity was the Rhinoceros Party.
We also have elections in each of the Provinces and the three Territories. The political parties varies from province to province. All of the provinces only have an elected Legislature. As far a municipal elections go in most places candidates are not part of a party. Only Vancouver and Montreal come to mind as exceptions to that rule. The Liberals and the NDP did try to run slates of candidates in Toronto once but it didn't turn out very well for them.
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2017, 02:44:56 AM »

Oh yeah, here is a link for Chick Publications. I remember some people once were leaving the anti-Halloween tract in the Halloween department of the store I was working for. When our assistant manager finally caught a couple of them they were told to stop or we could call the police. You can find some of their comic books on the Grand Comicbook Database
http://www.chick.com/
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Re: Week 173 - Your Vote Is Vital!
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2017, 04:47:21 PM »

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at those Chick comics. But as John has brought up Canadian parties, I thought that for anyone who's interested, a quick summary of the situation in Scotland might not bore too much.
The Scottish Parliament has representatives from 5 parties who vote on devolved matters.  Currently the government is run by the Scottish National Party with 63 members and regularly supported by The Greens with their 6 members ( the SNP don't have an overall majority)
Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party (Tories) with 31 members
Scottish Labour - 23 members
Scottish Liberal Democrats - 5 members.
Plus The Presiding Officer who has no official party affiliation.
This is the official "Why you should vote" video:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq7mGCnhRkY
But, of course, we also have, for each GB constituency, an M.P. in Westminster, where, currently, the Tories are just about holding on to power following Mrs. May's disastrous gamble of holding an election, and the upsurge in popularity of Labour's Mr. Corbyn.
Here in Scotland, for many of us, the fight goes on for independence, or at least many more powers, as, apart from anything else, leaving the EU could be a nightmare for Scotland. A large majority here voted to stay in the EU. Not that that gets any traction with the Westminster government.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2017, 09:45:35 PM »

This is an interesting one for me (an American) to read. I've read things similar to the "election by a minority" part nowadays, which pointed out that the percentages in the primaries (the pre-election internal candidate selection) are even lower, about 9% of voters. Good on Uncle Sam for getting to that later.

Some heavy rhetoric in this book. Non-voters are traitors to democracy! I'm certainly guilty of what the voter does on p. 6. More than once I've looked over my ballot and gone "Ok, president, governor, senator, representative...annnnd here are a bunch of state and local elections I know nothing about." I need to get better about that.

The layout of this comic is pretty interesting. Standard four panel pages are interspersed with more open borderless arrangements. P. 6 is especially weird, I thought our new voter was waking from a dream for a moment there.


Now that might make for a fun read. The importance of voting done in different styles, romance, horror, superhero, etc., tongue-in-cheek, but conveying important information.

I would also want to see this. There's a cheesy Golden Age superhero story sorta like this in Our Flag Comics #3 starting p. 18. Best panel: star-spangled hero The Flag flying off, shouting, "Nothing must interfere with America's right to vote!"
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2017, 01:09:22 AM »

I recall what Robert A. Heinlein once said about elections. "Always vote. There my be no one you want to vote for but there is sure to be someone you want to vote against."
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2019, 06:25:17 PM »


Okay for what it was.

Of course America is supposed to be a Representive Republic rather than a Democracy.

Also considering the intelligence of the people Uncle Sam was trying to get to vote, do we really want them making decisions about who gets elected?  ;)

That's the problem.  You can't have a "Democracy" if you have a highly undereducated public.  It's even difficult to call it a REPRESENTATIVE government, if only 40% of the registered voters vote, and other people eligible to vote don't even register to vote.
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2019, 08:07:01 PM »

I'm not politically motivated in any direction but when I look at modern America, I see a kakistocracy
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