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Space helmets and shorts

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Mr. Magnificent

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Space helmets and shorts
« on: June 10, 2020, 08:19:56 PM »

I've been checking out the covers of old science fiction pulps and comics, and I have a nagging question: what is the deal with men and women wearing space helmets and shorts? If the environment is that hostile, shouldn't they be wearing space suits?
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Robb_K

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2020, 02:01:12 AM »


I've been checking out the covers of old science fiction pulps and comics, and I have a nagging question: what is the deal with men and women wearing space helmets and shorts? If the environment is that hostile, shouldn't they be wearing space suits? 


Realism and scientific knowledge in the bulk of Science Fiction writing and visual portrayal has never been very strong, overall.  Most of what I've read, or viewed should be termed Fantasy, rather than having science included in its genre title.
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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2020, 03:34:28 AM »

The number one visual influence on Science Fiction comics - and probably in the pulps and magazines, was Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon. Thematically, ER Burrows Mars and Venus stories.
There was - I'm not currently involved in that fandom and literature- so I can't say is - . A continual debate about whether it was Science Fiction or SF. Hard Science [What if stories] or Fantasy. The genre encompasses both. Today, there is little real Hard Science Fiction and stories about Space Ships or physical breakthroughs don't exist. Its now stories which reflect the world we live in, so stories about cloning, evil multi-national corporations, mind control, sexual exploration, are the norm.
Post Lord of the Rings the fantasy market skyrocketed and there are way too many trilogies of fantasy kingdoms to suit me. Although some of them would make good comic books.
Krondor the betrayal from Raymond E Feist's fantasy universe was the basis for one of the best early PC games ever. A classic that I once spent most of my spare time for a year playing through.
That universe would make great comics. 
           
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2020, 04:49:29 AM »


The number one visual influence on Science Fiction comics - and probably in the pulps and magazines, was Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon. Thematically, ER Burrows Mars and Venus stories.
There was - I'm not currently involved in that fandom and literature- so I can't say is - . A continual debate about whether it was Science Fiction or SF. Hard Science [What if stories] or Fantasy. The genre encompasses both. Today, there is little real Hard Science Fiction and stories about Space Ships or physical breakthroughs don't exist. Its now stories which reflect the world we live in, so stories about cloning, evil multi-national corporations, mind control, sexual exploration, are the norm.
Post Lord of the Rings the fantasy market skyrocketed and there are way too many trilogies of fantasy kingdoms to suit me. Although some of them would make good comic books.
Krondor the betrayal from Raymond E Feist's fantasy universe was the basis for one of the best early PC games ever. A classic that I once spent most of my spare time for a year playing through.
That universe would make great comics. 


I've always liked science, and I was an environmental scientist (air and water pollution) for 20 years, before I became a cartoonist (strange combination - eh?).  That's why I like the heavy science Sci-Fi, and why I like Carl Barks' Gyro Gearloose, especially because Barks needed to think up ideas for stories about Gyro, in which he had to continuously come up with ideas for new inventions.  So, he had to think of what people want and need, and would request he invent and build for them.  Which is why I specialized in writing Gyro Gearloose stories. 

I really had fun writing and drawing a story about Gyro inventing an artificially intelligent robot, who is so intelligent that he could take on all the job orders Gyro couldn't take on, as he was currently so swamped with orders he couldn't handle.  In the end, of course, the sentient AI robot makes Gyro a prisoner (to stop him from working) because he's an "inferior being" who is fallible, and makes mistakes.  The robot then takes over Gyro's entire business, telling him to relax, and enjoy leisure for the first time.  But Gyro's raison d'etre is to help humanity by inventing, so he is very frustrated.  I won't give away the ending because I hope you will read it.

I'm still working on Gyro stories, one is in production right now.  I'm also working on a comedic Sci-Fi book series about a robot family, which is a long-term project.

We've got loads of Sci-Fi comic books on this website I never read in the 1940 and '50s I probably should read, just to see what people were thinking back then.  I DID read H.G. Wells, and Jules Verne, and Ray Bradbury, and several of the 1950s and 1960s pulp authors, but never comic books of that genre (unless "Turok, Son of Stone" is considered Sci-Fi). I certainly don't!
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2020, 04:51:18 AM »


I've been checking out the covers of old science fiction pulps and comics, and I have a nagging question: what is the deal with men and women wearing space helmets and shorts? If the environment is that hostile, shouldn't they be wearing space suits?

At one time it was believed that Mars had a very thin atmosphere but no thinner than we'd encounter at the highest peaks on earth. They believed only a minimal breathing apparatus would be needed for survival, no pressure suits required. This was often the case with the made up planets and moons in comics.
IIRC a human body can tolerate atmospheric pressures as low as 3 PSI, one fifth that of Earthly sea level, but only if the breathing mixture is almost pure oxygen.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2020, 05:47:23 AM »



I've been checking out the covers of old science fiction pulps and comics, and I have a nagging question: what is the deal with men and women wearing space helmets and shorts? If the environment is that hostile, shouldn't they be wearing space suits?

At one time it was believed that Mars had a very thin atmosphere but no thinner than we'd encounter at the highest peaks on earth. They believed only a minimal breathing apparatus would be needed for survival, no pressure suits required. This was often the case with the made up planets and moons in comics.
IIRC a human body can tolerate atmospheric pressures as low as 3 PSI, one fifth that of Earthly sea level, but only if the breathing mixture is almost pure oxygen.


Even given that, we'd have to assume they were on Mars' equator in that hemisphere's mid summer.  And even then, they should have drawn the men in shorts shivering terribly, and with goosebumps on their skin.  And we'd hope they'd have a lot of heavy clothing, back at the ship, and be able to seal it tightly, and have a good heating source, especially for after nightfall.  I guess the authors thought the thin atmosphere there, and the vegetation they thought was there because of the water canals, provided some modifying effect against how cold the planet should have been at that greater distance from The Sun.
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2020, 07:29:23 AM »

For the 2010 Halloween Cameo Caper (a webcomic crossover event) the setting was on a spaceship, so I gave Gertrude & Brunhilda very skimpy space suits and explained it away with "While it appears that the girls are exposing a lot of skin that's because part of the outfits are made of a transparent fabric."

I now apply that explanation to all such impractical outfits in Sci-Fi of old.  ;)

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unless "Turok, Son of Stone" is considered Sci-Fi

Oddly enough, similar stories are, or were, considered Science Fiction, at least according to some of my encyclopedias of science fiction.

I would guess that the explanation is that archeology and paleontology are sciences so writing about primitive civilizations qualify. *shrug*
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2020, 07:31:45 AM »




I've been checking out the covers of old science fiction pulps and comics, and I have a nagging question: what is the deal with men and women wearing space helmets and shorts? If the environment is that hostile, shouldn't they be wearing space suits?

At one time it was believed that Mars had a very thin atmosphere but no thinner than we'd encounter at the highest peaks on earth. They believed only a minimal breathing apparatus would be needed for survival, no pressure suits required. This was often the case with the made up planets and moons in comics.
IIRC a human body can tolerate atmospheric pressures as low as 3 PSI, one fifth that of Earthly sea level, but only if the breathing mixture is almost pure oxygen.


Even given that, we'd have to assume they were on Mars' equator in that hemisphere's mid summer.  And even then, they should have drawn the men in shorts shivering terribly, and with goosebumps on their skin.  And we'd hope they'd have a lot of heavy clothing, back at the ship, and be able to seal it tightly, and have a good heating source, especially for after nightfall.  I guess the authors thought the thin atmosphere there, and the vegetation they thought was there because of the water canals, provided some modifying effect against how cold the planet should have been at that greater distance from The Sun.

If they believed that Mars had liquid H2O flowing in those canals they'd have to believe Mars was warmer than it actually is.
If Mars did have a respectable atmosphere it would be much warmer than it is, its still in the Goldlocks zone.
Remember that until the 1960's all scientists still believed that Venus was a warm but habitable world with oceans and marsh lands, not the blazing bone dry hell planet that it really is.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2020, 08:46:20 AM »

Aw, come on. we all know why these covers were made that way! Sex sold pulps and sexy s-f babes were required skimpy outfits whether on earth or in space. It was in their contracts. And since the covers were designed to appeal to heterosexual men, the men on the covers were allowed to wear (somewhat) more practical spacesuits. The bubble helmets provided clear views of expressive pretty and/or handsome faces while paying lip service to the fact these people were running around in a vacuum.

That said, when artists attempted to draw more realistic spacesuits there were some interesting trends. Editor John W Campbell pushed the term "bulger" for a spacesuit based on the belief that because a suit had to be pressurized it would blow up like a balloon. Supposedly he chided Kelly Freas for painting folds on a bulger. Internal pressure would prevent folds from forming. I'm not sure how a spaceman was supposed to move under these circumstances. Wouldn't he float around like a starfish?

Earlier, Hermann Oberth, a real rocket scientist, speculated that a spacesuit would have to be built like a suit of armor, made entirely of metal with ball joints like 1920s s-f robots. He believed the internal pressure would cause a fabric suit to explode in a vacuum. I think it was also Oberth who suggested a suit needed a sort of built-in parasol to shade it from the sun. Full sunlight would instantly heat the suit up and fry its occupant.

One of Oberth's ideas that carried over into 1950s real-science speculations was the notion that gloves were impractical on spacesuits. I'm unsure what the reasoning was. Maybe they believed the internal pressure (they talked a lot about internal pressure) would make the fingers too stiff for a human hand to operate. Many armor-style spacesuit designs featured various claws, clamps, and tools at the end of the arms.

Destination Moon
had a terrific impact on spacesuit artwork. The fact that the movie's iconic suits were re-used in countless movies over the next decade helped make the design a go-to for illustrators. In fact the suits have held up pretty well over the years. They're nowhere near as bulky as real spacesuits, but they're relatively practical and they don't have bubble helmets. I remember a paperback cover from the days when it was a fad to show a tough guy lighting a cigarette, face lit from below by the match. One s-f paperback showed a guy in a Destination Moon suit standing on the lunar surface looking tough and lighting up...but there was no indication of a hole in the faceplate for the cigarette to poke through. God knows how the match managed to ignite in a vacuum anyway, not to mention why the smoker didn't die immediately from asphyxiation rather than dying slowly from lung cancer.

My all-time favorite spacesuit was designed by Ed Emshwiller for Robert Heinlein's s-f juvenile Have Spacesuit, Will Travel. I won the book in a fourth-grade contest. The book was great fun. Its real star was the suit itself, won by the youthful hero in a contest. Heinlein meticulously described the suit's practical solutions to myriad real-world (rather, real-space) problems, few of which ever materialized. Emsh turned these speculations into a dynamite armor-meets-pressure suit design that fired my imagination. In fact one of my earliest paid comics jobs was my tribute to that suit. I credited Emshwiller as my inspiration.

One last spacesuit oddity comes to mind. After Mac Raboy's Flash Gordon turned from a heroic fantasy into a space adventure strip there was a period during which Raboy replaced standard bubble helmets with transparent pointy-topped things which resembled those light bulbs that are supposed to look like candle flames. Don't know what that was all about.
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Andrew999

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2020, 03:07:21 PM »

For those who have yet to experience the sheer joy of Gertrude and Brunhilda:

https://www.theduckwebcomics.com/The_KAMics/4778490/

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paw broon

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2020, 03:51:47 PM »

There have been some memorable, in many cases for all the wrong reasons, spacesuits and helmets in tv shows.  A couple of the "great" ones were in Pathfinders in Space and Masters of Venus.
Quatermass Experiment had a great suit.

One of the best is that worn by David Tennant in The Impossible Planet.

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The Australian Panther

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2020, 01:09:46 AM »

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ER Burrows Mars and Venus stories. 


Oops! I knew that was wrong, just couldn't be bothered to go back and correct it.

Good thread people!

Cheers!
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