[narfstar]

Sorry GCD groups location. Here is a link that should work for all

http://narfstar.cwahi.net/ArtID/TerryP012_04ad.jpg

[JVJ]

Sorry GCD groups location. Here is a link that should work for all

http://narfstar.cwahi.net/ArtID/TerryP012_04ad.jpg

thanks for the peek, narf. THis looks like Al Bare to me. I don't see Roussos.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[JVJ]

GCD has credit for Punch 19 cover as Ricca http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=5228&zoom=4
Sure looks like Paul G figures to me as does the Echo story inside.

You're right on both counts, Narf.

For the record and for those who don't know who we're talking about, it's Paul Gattuso.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[narfstar]

Thanks Jim. From the first time I saw the Black Dwarf in my IW reprint there was an artist I could ID. Like the Eugene Hughes cover on Battle Fire jumped out at me. Of course Paul should not be much of a challenge to anyone.

[Yoc]

Paul G seems to love that open mouthed screaming woman theme a lot eh?  And they have the Betty Page bangs mostly too.  Can't blame him for liking those. 

[narfstar]

Hey I got Paul Gattuso right maybe lighting will strike twice with my Myron Fass guess

[JVJ]

Could be, narf,
but the true of the matter is, I don't know. However, having said that, the girl looks nicely drawn and I don't think of Fass as being that good. But, who know?

Sigh...

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[narfstar]

Art ID can be fun. I have been going through some Harvey Horror for Roy's Alter Ego. Lee Elias can have some pretty telling eyes and hair. I would see a story or cover and immediately think all Elias. I saw a story that I thought looked like Elias but not quite. I checked the GCD and sure enough Elias was pencil with unknown inks. I found I quickly picked up Al Avison. That is the advantage of going over a lot of the same thing at one time. The problem is it will soon all become a big blur except the all Elias which can be pretty easy. It is fun to be good for a little while.

[bchat]

I was looking at Star Studded Comics # 1 and came across Captain Combat.  Both the Grand Comic-Book Database and Who's Who of American Comic Books list Bernard Baily as the artist.  My first impression when I saw this story was that it looks simliar to John Giunta's style, based on what I've seen of his work from The Duke of Darkness, Flamingo, and other features credited to Giunta during that time period.  I'm not familiar with Baily's artwork, so I'm wondering whether or not the Baily credit is accurate or not.

[narfstar]

I would say JVJ can give a pretty definitive answer to that

[kquattro]

I'm not familiar with Baily's artwork, so I'm wondering whether or not the Baily credit is accurate or not.

It's Giunta, definitely.

--Ken Q

[narfstar]

I will seldom say definitely but it sure looks it to me. It also makes me wonder if Giunta did his own coloring. When you see Cole or Giunta there is a color scheme that is as distinctive or more so than the art.

[JVJ]

I'm not familiar with Baily's artwork, so I'm wondering whether or not the Baily credit is accurate or not.

It's Giunta, definitely.

--Ken Q

It's produced IN the Baily Shop, but the artist IS John Giunta. And, you know who is always a potential inker on Giunta at this point? Frank Frazetta. This is right around the time of Tally Ho #1, FF's first credited comic book work. BUT, remember, the only reason he got to do The Snowman in TH was because his assisting on Giunta's work was so precociously brilliant. He IS involved in several JG stories around this time.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[bchat]

Thanks everyone!  For whatever reason, I'm becoming quite the fan of Giunta's work, and I've started grouping together on my pc any stories he worked on.  I didn't want to put Captain Combat with the other stories if it wasn't by him.  There are tons of artists whose work I haven't been exposed to yet, so there was no way I could have felt confident enough to say "GCD & WW must be wrong".

JVJ, if you don't mind my asking & picking your brain for a moment - Was Frazetta just the inker on the Snowman story?  Did Giunta have anything to do with the other features in Tally-Ho (He-Man, Man in Black ... GCD only lists the Snowman story)?

[JVJ]

Thanks everyone!  For whatever reason, I'm becoming quite the fan of Giunta's work, and I've started grouping together on my pc any stories he worked on.  I didn't want to put Captain Combat with the other stories if it wasn't by him.  There are tons of artists whose work I haven't been exposed to yet, so there was no way I could have felt confident enough to say "GCD & WW must be wrong".

JVJ, if you don't mind my asking & picking your brain for a moment - Was Frazetta just the inker on the Snowman story?  Did Giunta have anything to do with the other features in Tally-Ho (He-Man, Man in Black ... GCD only lists the Snowman story)?

I, too, am a big Giunta fan. The earliest I've seen him is in 1942 doing big foot stuff in Timely's Joker or Comedy Comics. His work at Harvey in the 1059s Horror titles is variable, but his best there rivals anything from any of the other Harvey artists.

The Snowman story is credited

[kquattro]

I, too, am a big Giunta fan.

Me too. At times his work was brilliant. I've heard that illness kept him from achieving consistency. Hence his use of assistants--particularly Stallman--that impeded his own style, IMHO. I believe it's been discussed here before, but Giunta was one of the near-greats whose best work has gone mostly unrecognized. His later work at Marvel probably impacted the perception of him as just another journeyman artist, but I think he was--at times--much more than that.

...while The Man in Black is traditionally attributed to Bob Fujitani, I believe it is more likely to me George Gregg. Giunta MIGHT have done some pencils/layouts on the Gregg story.

You're probably right again, Jim, but I've got a question/tossing out a possibility regarding Fuje:
While I haven't yet found anything signed by him in an identifiable (at least by me) Baily shop produced comic, I have found a few signed stories that appeared in comics with a Baily shop "presence". Specifically, a few of the Holyoke/Continental comics like CAT-MAN (which, perhaps not coincidentally, also contain George Gregg art in some issues). And then there's that "Captain Truth" story in GOLD MEDAL. I believe you attribute that to Gregg as well, but Ron Goulart flatly told me it was "definitely Bob Fujitani". Did Gregg and Fuje ever work together? Is there that much of a resemblance between their styles at the time? Baily routinely employed freelancers and I've wondered if Fuje may have been one at times.

--Ken Q

[bchat]

Jim, you're a wealth of information!

The Snowman story is credited

[JVJ]

I think Charles Voight would have worked solo. He's an old-timer with much more experience than Giunta. He goes back to 1908 with a strip that lasted for 20 years. It's unlikely that he would have needed help. It may simply be that he "aped" the design/layout style of the shop that hired him - i.e. Baily, whose mainstay artist was Giunta.

It's possible that Tally-Ho was released several times in hopes of increased sales returns. Since there are three distinct printings, and the "blacked out indicia versions have no dates, it's impossible for us to be certain of what happened and when. Welcome to the can of worms.

Ken, I've seen SIGNED George Gregg that, unsigned, I would have ID'd as Fuje. Whether they worked together or Gregg was simply enamored by the Fuje style (and a great copyist), I don't know. More worms...

This Man in Black art is grotesque in a way that Fuje isn't. Not that Fuje can't be grotesque, but just this doesn't have his approach, IMHO. There's an underlying drawing style that looks more like Gregg (or Giunta/Gregg) to me and the finishes are Fuje-esque, but, again, not quite right. I know that there is some Fuje connection with some comics that Baily Shop worked on, but as you say, the same can be said of Gregg, who also has some connection with the Ferstadt Shop. Much puzzlement, eh?

Would you like those worms baked or stir-fried?

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[narfstar]

I'm just enjoying the meal. Unfortunate that much will never be know definitively and how many of us would love to know. Any idea on Giunta coloring his work? Could be just Baily shop but it does seem that his work does stand out.

[kquattro]

I think Charles Voight would have worked solo.

Generally I'd agree with this, Jim, but Voight had at least one known collaboration with Mo Weiss. Check out this page on Heritage Auction's site:
http://comics.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=823&Lot_No=42536&src=pr
And sometimes Voight's art looked more like Voight than at other times. For instance, the "Red Rogue" story in STAR STUDDED. I'm pretty sure that's Voight in there somewhere, but other panels barely look like him at all. Where's his gorgeous penwork? Don't know if that's Weiss assisting, but I thought I'd point it out.

It's possible that Tally-Ho was released several times in hopes of increased sales returns. Since there are three distinct printings, and the "blacked out indicia versions have no dates, it's impossible for us to be certain of what happened and when. Welcome to the can of worms.

I know of one Baily comic that was DEFINITELY reprinted 5 years after it's first printing! I'm saving the details for my article, but your speculation is correct again!

Ken, I've seen SIGNED George Gregg that, unsigned, I would have ID'd as Fuje. Whether they worked together or Gregg was simply enamored by the Fuje style (and a great copyist), I don't know.

and

I know that there is some Fuje connection with some comics that Baily Shop worked on, but as you say, the same can be said of Gregg, who also has some connection with the Ferstadt Shop.

Aiyeee! It's maddening! I know Fujitani was still alive a few years back. Maybe I can track him down and fill in this blank.

Would you like those worms baked or stir-fried?

Mmmm, worms...

--Ken Q

[bchat]

I'm amazed at how hard it is to find information on the internet for many of these artists.  I went to several sites looking for info on Giunta and came away with practically nothing beyond when he died (what was his illness?) and a couple of people he worked with.  I was totally surprised that Wikipedia doesn't even have a short paragraph about the guy.  Ditto Charles Voight ... just not a lot of information about their careers, which would be helpful for people like myself looking to learn more.

Narf - I, too, notice that Giunta's work had a certain "color-quality" to it.  If he didn't do the coloring himself, maybe he had a favorite colorist?

Jim - It was just a thought regarding Giunta laying-out the He-Man story as I have zero knowledge of Voight's career & style beyond what little I just learned searching the internet.

For instance, the "Red Rogue" story in STAR STUDDED. I'm pretty sure that's Voight in there somewhere, but other panels barely look like him at all. Where's his gorgeous penwork?

That's Voight?!  I found a sample of his work online somewhere, which was basically just drawings of women in different poses, but the Red Rogue story looks crude by comparison.

[JVJ]

A couple of things, Ken (and bchat),
You

[Yoc]

A wonderful discussion here guys - thanks very much for sharing your thoughts!

[narfstar]

This is the kinda stuff that makes the GAC the place to be. No arguements just good thoughtful discussion.

[bchat]

One of the things that makes that opinion more informed is simply the fact that I