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Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6

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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2022, 02:20:13 AM »

Andy Hardy #6

Story 1

Nice one-page gag that could have had a Sunday funnies spot. Could also double as a colouring-in page.

Story 2

The mix-up with the roses is something that could have happened to Mickey Rooney’s Andy. I liked the way that Andy knew he had to own up to the mistake, but that’s not the end of it. No one likes a stuck-up rich guy like Stuffy, and he gets his comeuppance. But would they have a spanking scene in a comic today?

Story 3

Quite an involved story with all of Andy’s schemes to show Tinsley in a bad light. We think Andy wins in the end, but there’s a sting in the tail. And what happened to all of the spurned girls waiting in the car? Wouldn't they have been annoyed to find that they'd all been set up? And did the American Beauties get paid out of that $750?

Also just a technical point, but in one of the panels, we see the Hardy letterbox with the words 'Judge Hardy' on it, though I'm not sure if 'Judge' is crossed out of if those are shading lines. But it begs the question, 'Where is Judge Hardy?' I haven't read the other issues, so don't know if he pops up there, but I did wonder where he was. In the movies, he was a wonderful Dad who always gave sound advice when Andy got into a jam. It would have added a nice touch to include him. Though maybe they were looking for a more independent teen in this series?

Story 4

Fairly standard plot-device to have the twin thing. And as SuperScrounge mentioned, it's odd they haven't seen a wedding photo and stranger still that Andy has no idea what his uncle looks like. Even if they haven't met, there should be a photo. Also a bit of a double-standard that Andy is more than happy for the guys to mistakenly think he's dating a movie star, but he's quick to jump to conclusions and assume the worst of Polly for going out with an older man. But it's the sort of mix-up Andy is known for.

Story 5

Some good lines in this one.

Cynthia: Do you wrestle?
Andy: No, but sometimes I curl my toes for exercise.

But would it be regarded as fat-shaming today? (Though I guess Andy's reaction could be because she's a muscly wrestler rather than simply being overweight.) Also, I gather that the second-last page is black and white because when printed, it would have been on the same sheet as the other black-and-white page at the beginning. But the earlier page was fine because it was a one-page story. This one seems funny coming within a longer story.

Overall

I enjoyed this one a lot more than Wilbur, and I thought the art was really good. The stories weren't the most riveting, but they were fairly fun. They still don't have quite the heart of Archie, though. Thanks for the selections, Robb.




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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2022, 02:32:32 AM »


Wilbur Comics 01
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=73214

What have I learned from this?
Well, I now have a great deal of respect for Harry Shorten the editor.
He clearly had a vision and a determination and he and his crew weren't afraid to learn and grow.
What's missing here?
All of the stories centre on Wilbur and are mostly all physical slapstick. There is nothing here to make you keep buying the book. 
Now I think about Archie,while he's not a bland and featureless character, he is really mainly the focal paint around whom most of the other characters are defined.
What are Jughead, Betty and Veronica, Reggie and the rest of the characters without their relationship with Archie?
Shorten and his team developed the Archie Mythos and it lasted from the 40's to the 80's without major changes and is still going today, albeit now with major changes.
The Artists matured and developed an in-house style,but the best were still good enough to have a recognizable style.
And each was assigned to a specific character
Bill Vigoda was the Reggie artist, Dan DeCarlo and Bob Parent for Betty and Veronica, Samm Schwartz fleahed out Jughead, Bob Montana and Harry Lucey on Archie.
All of these have an instantly recognizable style. Harry Lucey's work on Archie I always loved. Nothing ever stood still on his pages, the energy was amazing. The Jack Kirby of Teenage comedy art.
See, CB+ and these dialogues have made me realize how much comics appealed to me visually. It didn't matter to me if it was a funny animal, teenage, war, cowboy, detective, SF or Superhero comic, if it was visually and narrative good, that was what interested me.     
Harry Lucey
https://www.lambiek.net/artists/l/lucey_harry.htm
2 classic examples here. See what I mean about learning to use  the art to accentuate the gag?
By any other artist,the second gag wouldn't rate the space. He took nothing and made it into something.
That's why I love these artists.
Unfortunately, like most US conics, the current Archie work is writer dominated and that unique visual house style is kaput.
Cheers!                     


Thanks for the extra info here, Panther, and for that link to Lambiek. I didn't mind the new Archies. I read the first five volumes that Mark Waid wrote, and I like his writing. The art did vary according to artist, but some of it was really good. I haven't gone on to read the other Riverdale ones and I haven't watched the Riverdale TV series. But I wonder if they're genuinely trying to reach the teen market with those, whereas classic Archie would still probably appeal to pre-teens and nostalgia buffs like me?
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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2022, 02:35:51 AM »



I'm a great fan of Cornell Woolrich's work, and I'm certain that somewhere in CB+s collection of Police Comics there's a story (I fancy it was drawn by Vernon Henkel) that totally rips off the plot of Kiss of the Cobra, even quoting some of Woolrich's original lines. I know I made a comment to that effect when I first read it, but it'd take me hours to track down now!



K1ngcat, I do believe I found it:

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=19823

Maybe that could be one of our reading group suggestions?

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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2022, 02:51:53 AM »




Hi Robb, it's kind of you to imagine I was playing night clubs in the West End, I should've let you keep that illusion. In fact we were playing Working Men's clubs, RBL, or politically affiliated clubs in the West of London. Not so glitzy, but great fun and pretty well paid at the time  :)

It's very impressive that you could work regularly as musicians (and singers?) earning money in a glamour field that everybody and his mother dreams of working in.  You were professionals, EVEN if you didn't count on that source for the main portion of your income. 

For what does the acronym "RBL" stand?  I'm showing my age and lack of connection with today's World.


Hi Robb, that TLA isn't really connected with today's world. RBL stands for Royal British Legion, a lot of our gigs were ex-servicemens clubs. All these types of clubs used to pay well above the going rate as opposed to Rock Scene type gigs where a support band could end up taking no more than 10% of the gate, and then being charged for the "hire" of the house PA system. The "pay to play" scandal preyed heavily on young bands trying to make a name for themselves in the late 70s and early 80s. Even as late as around 2010, when I ran a fairly successful blues band in SE UK,  one promoter tried to offer me 25% of the gate, the rest going to the venue and herself. Naturally I declined, deferring to the old adage that "a man is worthy of his hire."

"Show business" in any form is not for the faint hearted!  ;)
All the best
K1ngcat


Don't I know it! I lost my entire investment in my record company simply because our distributor didn't pay us the money we earned from record sales because a label has to have 2 really big hits in a row, or a long track record of decent sales before they will pay up (as the sales come in).  They get rich keeping the small record companies' money, just waiting until they go bust, EXACTLY BECAUSE THAT DISTRIBUTOR WASN'T PAYING THEM WHAT THEY WERE DUE!!!   The record business had operated like that since the 1930s, and still did at least through the 1990s (as far as I knew).  I think it's different now because of The Internet (self self marketing/advertising, self recording, self production, self publishing, and World-Wide access of their product).  And it wasn't like we were young kids just out of high school.  We were all veterans of the music business, who had worked at Motown Records previous to our venture.
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« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2022, 03:03:34 AM »




Hi Robb, it's kind of you to imagine I was playing night clubs in the West End, I should've let you keep that illusion. In fact we were playing Working Men's clubs, RBL, or politically affiliated clubs in the West of London. Not so glitzy, but great fun and pretty well paid at the time  :)

It's very impressive that you could work regularly as musicians (and singers?) earning money in a glamour field that everybody and his mother dreams of working in.  You were professionals, EVEN if you didn't count on that source for the main portion of your income. 

For what does the acronym "RBL" stand?  I'm showing my age and lack of connection with today's World.


Hi Robb, that TLA isn't really connected with today's world. RBL stands for Royal British Legion, a lot of our gigs were ex-servicemens clubs. All these types of clubs used to pay well above the going rate as opposed to Rock Scene type gigs where a support band could end up taking no more than 10% of the gate, and then being charged for the "hire" of the house PA system. The "pay to play" scandal preyed heavily on young bands trying to make a name for themselves in the late 70s and early 80s. Even as late as around 2010, when I ran a fairly successful blues band in SE UK,  one promoter tried to offer me 25% of the gate, the rest going to the venue and herself. Naturally I declined, deferring to the old adage that "a man is worthy of his hire."

"Show business" in any form is not for the faint hearted!  ;)

All the best
K1ngcat


I told you I have little connection to today's World!  I know now what RBL means, but what is a TLA???  I feel like I'm stuck in the middle of a "The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin" episode!  I keep waiting to hear the sound of a whoopee cushion!  :o. I didn't get where I am today by not knowing what acronyms mean!!!  :P :P :P
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« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2022, 04:19:34 AM »


And it wasn't like we were young kids just out of high school.  We were all veterans of the music business, who had worked at Motown Records previous to our venture.


Wow, I'm suitably impressed, Robb. Would I know the name of your band?
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« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2022, 05:03:52 AM »



And it wasn't like we were young kids just out of high school.  We were all veterans of the music business, who had worked at Motown Records previous to our venture.


Wow, I'm suitably impressed, Robb. Would I know the name of your band?

Sorry to depress your impression, but I didn't have a band.  For Motown, during the 1970s, I worked on Vaulted (vinyl unreleased) Oldies LP releases which involved listening to tapes, demo records, and acetates of recordings not previously released in any form, culling out the songs we thought were best, and making lists of them for releases on LP Albums. We had 10 Lps mocked up.  The series was to be called "From The Vaults". But, in 1979, placing them on an unknown, new label (Natural Resources), and giving them no marketing push, the series died.  But most of our work was used to fill a few more LPs in 1981 and 1982, and in 1984 on many LPs in Motown's 25th Anniversary Celebration LP Series.  But some of my friends and I left to form Airwave Records in 1980. I was a partner (Co-Owner), and did some marketing of our records in Europe (including The UK) and assisting in production in Los Angeles.  I took a try at songwriting, but never got anything published, other than making some suggestions on several songs.  Our biggest seller was "You're Gonna Want Me Back" by Delia Renee, from 1982 which sold well in Germany, Belgium, and Holland, and became a minor Northern Soul hit in the Northern Soul clubs in The UK.  You can listen to it on YouTube.  I used to import US Soul 45 RPM records into The UK and provide "unknown" records to try out in the clubs.  I collected Canadian and US R&B, Blues, Jazz, Gospel, and Soul records covering the period 1935-1970, and gathered those records from 1953 to 1972, when I moved back to Holland and started working for The UN and World Bank on 3rd World projects.  I have about 40,000 45 RPM and 4,000 LP records. I still help The UK's Ace/Kent Records with loaning rare records for re-mastering, and provide record scans and information for their CD artist & record label history/information booklets, and help with the blurb writing about them, and help with editing them, when they are in the areas of my expertise (R&B/Soul Music).

I learned how to read music, and played a little piano by ear, but never had time for lessons because I started playing ice hockey at age 6, and seriously at age 8, so never really had time to practise.  That's why I also failed at learning to play the harmonica.  Big Walter "Shaky" Horton, and "Little Walter (Jacobs) were my musical heroes.
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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2022, 07:41:06 AM »

Whew! This pair of books has inspired a lot of interesting commentary. The commentary has left me feeling that I've led rather an uninteresting life. But the comics are the thing.

Wilbur #1

Like many other fans of "realistic" comic art I never paid much attention to the Archie universe. I didn't scorn "teen" comics, I just never gave them a second glance. The random issues I did leaf through showed me a slick, consistent, and attractive house style. It's funny how Dan DeCarlo's Archie style became the art style for teen humor comics. It was even featured in a series of 80s porn comics.

The handful of Archie stories I read seemed to have this in common: though ridiculous situations could and did take place, the focus was always on the characters and their interactions. That's the big difference between Archie and Wilbur. Wilbur stories are all about pratfalls and slapstick. The characters' personalities aren't spelled out clearly, especially Red's. They're mostly present so crazy things can happen to them. It's the same thing that disappoints me in so many Golden Age funny animal comics. The writers write stuff that would play well in an animated cartoon but is disjointed and frenetic on paper. A case in point is the barrel of fish story.

Bill Vigoda's art is the work of someone who has great potential but hasn't  yet figured things out. His characters are okay but they don't fit their world very well. Off-kilter perspective and confusing compositions get in the way. Take for example the scene in the first story where Lester ties Wilbur's shoe to Suzie's curls, then gives him a hot foot. Our page 7, panel 1, should pay the gag off. But Suzy, who's in the center of the action, is barely visible. We see only a few strands of hair poking out from the panel border. Only Suzy's head shows up in panel 3. Apparently her hair is still tied to Wilbur's shoe. We really need to see what's happening to the poor girl. I don't believe Vigoda was deliberately copping out. It looks more like he didn't think the panel through before he started drawing.

The other odd thing about the art is how everyone is drawn cartoony except the girls. Their faces are painstakingly delineated and stiffly posed. They stick out awkwardly from a world full of of broad caricatures. My guess is that Vigoda was afraid he wouldn't draw the girls' faces pretty enough and overworked them. He certainly improved with time. Incidentally, it's hard to miss the fact that Vigoda also gave extra attention to drawing the girls' bosoms.

The filler stories read like...well, like filler stories. There's a lot to like about Red Holmdale's art on Chimpy but the story is crowded into too few pages and a couple of panels try to show two actions at once. The oddly-shaped balloons mess up the flow, especially when they spill into the next panel. Holmdale bears some of the blame; he didn't always leave enough space for the dialogue.

Omar of Bagdad isn't your typical Carl Hubbell art job. In fact I like it better than most of his stuff. I was surprised to discover it's a serial. We have two "Indian rope trick" gags in the same issue.

Ah, mucilage! 'Twas a fundamental part of my primary education. What I remember most is the bottle it came in. It was glass, several inches tall and shaped like an elongated bell. Its cap was a rubber cylinder fitted over the bottle's neck. The top of the cylinder was cut at an angle. There was a slit in the angled face. Inverting the bottle and pushing down opened the slit so the glue could come out. You then used the flat face to smear the glue around. Mucilage was the preferred glue for elementary-school glue-eating, much more popular than the other school glue, white library paste. I may be crazy but I'd swear there was scented mucilage. Maybe to make eating it more pleasant. It's not like I feasted on the stuff, but as far as I can tell it didn't kill me. It couldn't have been all that toxic.
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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2022, 08:12:54 AM »


Whew! This pair of books has inspired a lot of interesting commentary. The commentary has left me feeling that I've led rather an uninteresting life. But the comics are the thing.

Wilbur #1

Like many other fans of "realistic" comic art I never paid much attention to the Archie universe. I didn't scorn "teen" comics, I just never gave them a second glance. The random issues I did leaf through showed me a slick, consistent, and attractive house style. It's funny how Dan DeCarlo's Archie style became the art style for teen humor comics. It was even featured in a series of 80s porn comics.

The handful of Archie stories I read seemed to have this in common: though ridiculous situations could and did take place, the focus was always on the characters and their interactions. That's the big difference between Archie and Wilbur. Wilbur stories are all about pratfalls and slapstick. The characters' personalities aren't spelled out clearly, especially Red's. They're mostly present so crazy things can happen to them. It's the same thing that disappoints me in so many Golden Age funny animal comics. The writers write stuff that would play well in an animated cartoon but is disjointed and frenetic on paper. A case in point is the barrel of fish story.

Bill Vigoda's art is the work of someone who has great potential but hasn't  yet figured things out. His characters are okay but they don't fit their world very well. Off-kilter perspective and confusing compositions get in the way. Take for example the scene in the first story where Lester ties Wilbur's shoe to Suzie's curls, then gives him a hot foot. Our page 7, panel 1, should pay the gag off. But Suzy, who's in the center of the action, is barely visible. We see only a few strands of hair poking out from the panel border. Only Suzy's head shows up in panel 3. Apparently her hair is still tied to Wilbur's shoe. We really need to see what's happening to the poor girl. I don't believe Vigoda was deliberately copping out. It looks more like he didn't think the panel through before he started drawing.

The other odd thing about the art is how everyone is drawn cartoony except the girls. Their faces are painstakingly delineated and stiffly posed. They stick out awkwardly from a world full of of broad caricatures. My guess is that Vigoda was afraid he wouldn't draw the girls' faces pretty enough and overworked them. He certainly improved with time. Incidentally, it's hard to miss the fact that Vigoda also gave extra attention to drawing the girls' bosoms.

The filler stories read like...well, like filler stories. There's a lot to like about Red Holmdale's art on Chimpy but the story is crowded into too few pages and a couple of panels try to show two actions at once. The oddly-shaped balloons mess up the flow, especially when they spill into the next panel. Holmdale bears some of the blame; he didn't always leave enough space for the dialogue.

Omar of Bagdad isn't your typical (1) Carl Hubbell art job. In fact I like it better than most of his stuff. I was surprised to discover it's a serial. We have two "Indian rope trick" gags in the same issue.

Ah, mucilage! 'Twas a fundamental part of my primary education. What I remember most is the bottle it came in. It was glass, several inches tall and shaped like an elongated bell. Its cap was a rubber cylinder fitted over the bottle's neck. The top of the cylinder was cut at an angle. There was a slit in the angled face. Inverting the bottle and pushing down opened the slit so the glue could come out. You then used the flat face to smear the glue around. (2) Mucilage was the preferred glue for elementary-school glue-eating, much more popular than the other school glue, white library paste. I may be crazy but I'd swear there was scented mucilage. Maybe to make eating it more pleasant. It's not like I feasted on the stuff, but as far as I can tell it didn't kill me. It couldn't have been all that toxic.


(1) Carl Hubbell was a US Baseball Hall-of-Famer/All-Time Great pitcher, who spent his whole career for The New York Giants.  Was this MLJ artist, perchance, HIS SON???

(2) I take it you are kidding here.  Why on Earth would school kids eat GLUE???  I don't remember anyone in my elementary school doing that (unless they still had the dried residue on their hands when they ate their sandwiches at lunchtime).  I guess it had horse bone marrow in it, so a human one-year old deficient in the proper level of minerals might eat some, but I can't imagine a 6-12 (or 14)-year old eating it.  Same would go for the white liquid paste.  I suppose neither of them are really toxic, but based on the smell, I can't imagine mucilage would taste good (even if it was perfumed).
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« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2022, 08:15:28 AM »



Sorry to depress your impression, but I didn't have a band.  For Motown, during the 1970s, I worked on Vaulted (vinyl unreleased) Oldies LP releases which involved listening to tapes, demo records, and acetates of recordings not previously released in any form, culling out the songs we thought were best, and making lists of them for releases on LP Albums. We had 10 Lps mocked up.  The series was to be called "From The Vaults". But, in 1979, placing them on an unknown, new label (Natural Resources), and giving them no marketing push, the series died.  But most of our work was used to fill a few more LPs in 1981 and 1982, and in 1984 on many LPs in Motown's 25th Anniversary Celebration LP Series.  But some of my friends and I left to form Airwave Records in 1980. I was a partner (Co-Owner), and did some marketing of our records in Europe (including The UK) and assisting in production in Los Angeles.  I took a try at songwriting, but never got anything published, other than making some suggestions on several songs.  Our biggest seller was "You're Gonna Want Me Back" by Delia Renee, from 1982 which sold well in Germany, Belgium, and Holland, and became a minor Northern Soul hit in the Northern Soul clubs in The UK.  You can listen to it on YouTube.  I used to import US Soul 45 RPM records into The UK and provide "unknown" records to try out in the clubs.  I collected Canadian and US R&B, Blues, Jazz, Gospel, and Soul records covering the period 1935-1970, and gathered those records from 1953 to 1972, when I moved back to Holland and started working for The UN and World Bank on 3rd World projects.  I have about 40,000 45 RPM and 4,000 LP records. I still help The UK's Ace/Kent Records with loaning rare records for re-mastering, and provide record scans and information for their CD artist & record label history/information booklets, and help with the blurb writing about them, and help with editing them, when they are in the areas of my expertise (R&B/Soul Music).

I learned how to read music, and played a little piano by ear, but never had time for lessons because I started playing ice hockey at age 6, and seriously at age 8, so never really had time to practise.  That's why I also failed at learning to play the harmonica.  Big Walter "Shaky" Horton, and "Little Walter (Jacobs) were my musical heroes.


I'm still suitably impressed, Robb. Working in the vaults at Motown must have been a great experience. I did find that track on YouTube. I must confess I hadn't heard of her, but it had a good disco vibe. I would have been dancing to it back in the day. What an incredible vinyl collection you have. My remaining vinyl can fit into one box about 18 inches square, but I no longer have a record player. I don't know how you get time to do all you do.
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« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2022, 08:25:33 AM »



(2) I take it you are kidding here.  Why on Earth would school kids eat GLUE???  I don't remember anyone in my elementary school doing that (unless they still had the dried residue on their hands when they ate their sandwiches at lunchtime).  I guess it had horse bone marrow in it, so a human one-year old deficient in the proper level of minerals might eat some, but I can't imagine a 6-12 (or 14)-year old eating it.  Same would go for the white liquid paste.  I suppose neither of them are really toxic, but based on the smell, I can't imagine mucilage would taste good (even if it was perfumed).


When in doubt, consult the fount of all wisdom - Wikipedia  :D Okay, I know it's not the best, but apparently it is edible and there's even a pic of one of those bottles Crash Ryan was talking about. I'm learning something new every day  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucilage#:~:text=Human%20uses,-Glass%20container%20for&text=Mucilage%20is%20edible.,by%20forming%20a%20protective%20film.
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« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2022, 08:32:34 AM »


Whew! This pair of books has inspired a lot of interesting commentary. The commentary has left me feeling that I've led rather an uninteresting life. But the comics are the thing.



Crashryan, we did go 'off task' a bit.  :D But you must have led a very interesting life in order to give such good commentary on the artwork. I went back and had another look after reading your comments.
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« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2022, 08:36:17 AM »




Sorry to depress your impression, but I didn't have a band.  For Motown, during the 1970s, I worked on Vaulted (vinyl unreleased) Oldies LP releases which involved listening to tapes, demo records, and acetates of recordings not previously released in any form, culling out the songs we thought were best, and making lists of them for releases on LP Albums. We had 10 Lps mocked up.  The series was to be called "From The Vaults". But, in 1979, placing them on an unknown, new label (Natural Resources), and giving them no marketing push, the series died.  But most of our work was used to fill a few more LPs in 1981 and 1982, and in 1984 on many LPs in Motown's 25th Anniversary Celebration LP Series.  But some of my friends and I left to form Airwave Records in 1980. I was a partner (Co-Owner), and did some marketing of our records in Europe (including The UK) and assisting in production in Los Angeles.  I took a try at songwriting, but never got anything published, other than making some suggestions on several songs.  Our biggest seller was "You're Gonna Want Me Back" by Delia Renee, from 1982 which sold well in Germany, Belgium, and Holland, and became a minor Northern Soul hit in the Northern Soul clubs in The UK.  You can listen to it on YouTube.  I used to import US Soul 45 RPM records into The UK and provide "unknown" records to try out in the clubs.  I collected Canadian and US R&B, Blues, Jazz, Gospel, and Soul records covering the period 1935-1970, and gathered those records from 1953 to 1972, when I moved back to Holland and started working for The UN and World Bank on 3rd World projects.  I have about 40,000 45 RPM and 4,000 LP records. I still help The UK's Ace/Kent Records with loaning rare records for re-mastering, and provide record scans and information for their CD artist & record label history/information booklets, and help with the blurb writing about them, and help with editing them, when they are in the areas of my expertise (R&B/Soul Music).

I learned how to read music, and played a little piano by ear, but never had time for lessons because I started playing ice hockey at age 6, and seriously at age 8, so never really had time to practise.  That's why I also failed at learning to play the harmonica.  Big Walter "Shaky" Horton, and "Little Walter (Jacobs) were my musical heroes.


I'm still suitably impressed, Robb. Working in the vaults at Motown must have been a great experience. I did find that track on YouTube. I must confess I hadn't heard of her, but it had a good disco vibe. I would have been dancing to it back in the day. What an incredible vinyl collection you have. My remaining vinyl can fit into one box about 18 inches square, but I no longer have a record player. I don't know how you get time to do all you do.


I've been around 76 years, and did several things mostly at different times in my life. I only worked at a job as a direct employee for one year.  Otherwise, including the UN, First Nations, and Native American projects, Motown, Disney Comics and animation jobs, I was a self-employed consultant or by-project worker who never worked full-time, or all year long on any one.  And, I've only stayed in one place all year long during these last 3 Pandemic years, and my first 2 years. I've never been able to save up a lot of money, but I've enjoyed my life nonetheless.
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« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2022, 08:56:04 AM »

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I take it you are kidding here.  Why on Earth would school kids eat GLUE??? 

As an ex- primary school student and High school student and a teacher of Young Adults, I can assure you that students will eat anything if they are convinced they can get high from it. Anything!  And glue gives off fumes which some are convinced get you high.
It also destroys brain cells.     
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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2022, 10:12:14 AM »

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And glue gives off fumes which some are convinced get you high.
It also destroys brain cells. 
   

Out of curiosity I read up on mucilage. I learned that the word means not only the glue, but also a natural substance from which the glue derives. Wikipedia says

Mucilage is a thick, gluey substance produced by nearly all plants and some microorganisms[...]Mucilage in plants plays a role in the storage of water and food, seed germination, and thickening membranes. Cacti (and other succulents) and flax seeds are especially rich sources of mucilage.

The stuff is not only edible, it even offers some benefits:

Mucilage is edible. It is used in medicine as it relieves irritation of mucous membranes by forming a protective film. It is known to act as a soluble, or viscous, dietary fiber that thickens the fecal mass, an example being the consumption of fiber supplements containing psyllium seed husks.

Mucilage glue was apparently produced entirely from vegetable sources--no hooves required. I say "was" but it seems the stuff is still manufactured. I don't know who uses it these days or for what purpose.
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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2022, 06:00:08 PM »


Years ago in Writer's Digest there was an article by a woman who wrote books about teenage girls and she thought that was her audience, until she had her first book signing and there were all these pre-teen girls lined up. The one teenage girl in line stated she was there because her younger sister who read the books was sick and couldn't come.
So pre-teens being the audience for teen humor makes sense, although older adults who just want something silly to read (or perhaps recapture their youth) would seem to be a secondary audience. My dad would buy the Archie Digests when they started coming out and I occasionally pull them out now when I want something funny to read. (I find the best Archie stories tend to come from the late-50s to the '60s, but your mileage may vary.)

People keep referring to Wilbur as an Archie clone, but he actually appeared first so he had an Archie makeover, rather than being created as a clone.

Robb, the Archie ripoff was the Chip Pipher story in Active Comics #19. If you compare the artwork you'll see Leo Bachle had one of those art tracers that put a mirrored image of the page down for him to trace.

Not much to say on music, but Sugar, Sugar was originally meant for the Monkees, who turned it down, so they turned to cartoon characters who couldn't say no.  ;)


Now that I look at it I see that this was my favourite Active Comic issue, because it had the story about Bell's all-star comic artists stealing the jerseys of a hockey team's #1 forward line, and replacing them in a game, and stinking up the ice.  I guess I didn't know that Bachle stole many panels' art from this Wilbur story because it wasn't all that memorable, and "Chip" didn't look like Wilbur, but, rather, he looked almost exactly like the earliest version of Archie.
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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2022, 10:15:40 PM »




When in doubt, consult the fount of all wisdom - Wikipedia  :D Okay, I know it's not the best, but apparently it is edible and there's even a pic of one of those bottles Crash Ryan was talking about. I'm learning something new every day  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucilage#:~:text=Human%20uses,-Glass%20container%20for&text=Mucilage%20is%20edible.,by%20forming%20a%20protective%20film.


The type of bottle used in schools in the 50's had an angled flexible rubber cap much like an erasor. To dispense the glue you pressed the top against the paper and a small slit in the surface allowed a bit of glue to come out, which you spread using the flat tip like a spatula.
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« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2022, 12:47:39 AM »




I'm a great fan of Cornell Woolrich's work, and I'm certain that somewhere in CB+s collection of Police Comics there's a story (I fancy it was drawn by Vernon Henkel) that totally rips off the plot of Kiss of the Cobra, even quoting some of Woolrich's original lines. I know I made a comment to that effect when I first read it, but it'd take me hours to track down now!



K1ngcat, I do believe I found it:

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=19823

Maybe that could be one of our reading group suggestions?

Cheers

QQ


You got it, QQ, well done and thanks for having the patience! Maybe it could...!   ;)
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« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2022, 12:59:19 AM »



Don't I know it! I lost my entire investment in my record company simply because our distributor didn't pay us the money we earned from record sales because a label has to have 2 really big hits in a row, or a long track record of decent sales before they will pay up (as the sales come in).  They get rich keeping the small record companies' money, just waiting until they go bust, EXACTLY BECAUSE THAT DISTRIBUTOR WASN'T PAYING THEM WHAT THEY WERE DUE!!!   The record business had operated like that since the 1930s, and still did at least through the 1990s (as far as I knew).  I think it's different now because of The Internet (self self marketing/advertising, self recording, self production, self publishing, and World-Wide access of their product).  And it wasn't like we were young kids just out of high school.  We were all veterans of the music business, who had worked at Motown Records previous to our venture.


Hi Robb, good to discover your history in the record business, sorry to hear it didn't serve you well. It must have been fascinating to work with Motown, I'm sure you've got a few tales to tell! And sorry to catch you out with my little joke,  TLA stands for Three Letter Acronym.  ;D
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« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2022, 03:06:03 AM »

Sometimes, I just can't help myself!
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(2) I also didn't know that Sugar, Sugar! was meant for The Monkees.  I didn't like them at all, but they've jumped up a bit higher in my estimation, for turning down that emotionless song with no redeeming features.

So, in defense of the Monkees!
If you are referring to the TV show, the 4 men who were the Monkees would agree with you and spent a lot of time and energy behind the scenes saying so and attempting to do something about it.
If you are talking about the music tho, that's another story, also complicated.
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The group was conceived in 1965 by television producers Bob Rafelson and Bert Schneider for the situation comedy series of the same name.

Rafelson did not want the group to write the music or play.

Micky Dolenz was a child musical star, having started his career as a Mickey Mouseketeer and been a child star in some Disney movies. Davy Jones had a similar background on the British Musical stage. Peter Tork and Mike Nesmith were budding musos in the West Coast scene. All of them could play and perform.
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Music supervisor Don Kirshner was dissatisfied with the actor/musicians' musical abilities 
 
Well, no. He made no effort at all to help them become an independent band and excluded them from contributing musically - until the end of the saga.
Kirshner used songwriters from the Brill Building in NY. The songs are by such as Neil Diamond, Boyce and Hart and Carole KIng  - so the music is excellent - many of the songs still being played regularly today.
I never tire of hearing 'I'm a believer' 'Last train to clarksville' and others. 
At that time, when they went on the road, they had a serious identity problem, the audience that came to the shows were primarily per-adolescent females. But the Monkees picked the then unknown Jimi Hendrix as their support band! I would have loved to have been in that audience!
Their movie,  written and produced by Bob Rafelson and Jack Nicholson , made at the end of the groups career, , flopped because the audience that did come to see it, was not the audience it was made for.
And you really should see this film. great Fun and many not-so-subtle messages in it - like this song!
The Porpoise Song - The Monkees - from HEAD [Gerry Goffin and Carole King']
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmPmZoKeP0       
Nesmith's invention was important because it made him financially independent. After the Monkees he build his own studio, formed his own band and recorded other artists.
He is also regarded as the primary pioneers of the music videos, supplying the earliest examples for MTV.
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Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart co-wrote many Prefab Four tracks under the name Boyce & Hart. Some of their songs include “I Wanna Be Free” and “(I’m Not Your) Steppin’ Stone.”

In his 2015 book Psychedelic Bubble Gum: Boyce & Hart, The Monkees, and Turning Mayhem Into Miracles, Hart discussed the group’s growth. “For the rest of the show The Monkees would play their own instruments, a counter move to the growing hullabaloo in the press where the ‘Prefab Four’ were beginning to be accused of being actors who were just posing as musicians,” Hart wrote. “I could only marvel at the irony!”

Hart recalled Nesmith’s criticizing the band in the press. “During that first Monkees’ tour, an increasingly confrontational Michael Nesmith stoked the media fire in a Saturday Evening Post interview: ‘Tell the world we’re synthetic because, damn it, we are,'” he remembered. “‘Tell them The Monkees are wholly man-made overnight, and that millions of dollars have been poured into this thing. Tell the world we don’t record our own music.'”
   
As you can see, their story for some reason resonates with me.
And I am a huge fan of the music Nesmith created in his solo career.
Listen to the Band Nesmith and the First National Band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOTzKPNG4ok 
cheers!   . 
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« Reply #70 on: October 23, 2022, 06:17:19 AM »


Sometimes, I just can't help myself!
Robb wrote
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(2) I also didn't know that Sugar, Sugar! was meant for The Monkees.  I didn't like them at all, but they've jumped up a bit higher in my estimation, for turning down that emotionless song with no redeeming features.

So, in defense of the Monkees!
If you are referring to the TV show, the 4 men who were the Monkees would agree with you and spent a lot of time and energy behind the scenes saying so and attempting to do something about it.
If you are talking about the music tho, that's another story, also complicated.
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The group was conceived in 1965 by television producers Bob Rafelson and Bert Schneider for the situation comedy series of the same name.

Rafelson did not want the group to write the music or play.

Micky Dolenz was a child musical star, having started his career as a Mickey Mouseketeer and been a child star in some Disney movies. Davy Jones had a similar background on the British Musical stage. Peter Tork and Mike Nesmith were budding musos in the West Coast scene. All of them could play and perform.
Wikipedia says,
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Music supervisor Don Kirshner was dissatisfied with the actor/musicians' musical abilities 
 
Well, no. He made no effort at all to help them become an independent band and excluded them from contributing musically - until the end of the saga.
Kirshner used songwriters from the Brill Building in NY. The songs are by such as Neil Diamond, Boyce and Hart and Carole KIng  - so the music is excellent - many of the songs still being played regularly today.
I never tire of hearing 'I'm a believer' 'Last train to clarksville' and others. 
At that time, when they went on the road, they had a serious identity problem, the audience that came to the shows were primarily per-adolescent females. But the Monkees picked the then unknown Jimi Hendrix as their support band! I would have loved to have been in that audience!
Their movie,  written and produced by Bob Rafelson and Jack Nicholson , made at the end of the groups career, , flopped because the audience that did come to see it, was not the audience it was made for.
And you really should see this film. great Fun and many not-so-subtle messages in it - like this song!
The Porpoise Song - The Monkees - from HEAD [Gerry Goffin and Carole King']
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmPmZoKeP0       
Nesmith's invention was important because it made him financially independent. After the Monkees he build his own studio, formed his own band and recorded other artists.
He is also regarded as the primary pioneers of the music videos, supplying the earliest examples for MTV.
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Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart co-wrote many Prefab Four tracks under the name Boyce & Hart. Some of their songs include “I Wanna Be Free” and “(I’m Not Your) Steppin’ Stone.”

In his 2015 book Psychedelic Bubble Gum: Boyce & Hart, The Monkees, and Turning Mayhem Into Miracles, Hart discussed the group’s growth. “For the rest of the show The Monkees would play their own instruments, a counter move to the growing hullabaloo in the press where the ‘Prefab Four’ were beginning to be accused of being actors who were just posing as musicians,” Hart wrote. “I could only marvel at the irony!”

Hart recalled Nesmith’s criticizing the band in the press. “During that first Monkees’ tour, an increasingly confrontational Michael Nesmith stoked the media fire in a Saturday Evening Post interview: ‘Tell the world we’re synthetic because, damn it, we are,'” he remembered. “‘Tell them The Monkees are wholly man-made overnight, and that millions of dollars have been poured into this thing. Tell the world we don’t record our own music.'”
   
As you can see, their story for some reason resonates with me.
And I am a huge fan of the music Nesmith created in his solo career.
Listen to the Band Nesmith and the First National Band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOTzKPNG4ok 
cheers!   .

I knew that Mickey Dolenz made music before The Monkees existed, I bought his first 45 (as an adult), in 1963.  I also learned not so long after the rumours that The Monkees were "just" actors, that they had all been in the music business before that job.  But, I just didn't like the style and sound of their music.  Speaking of Don Kischner, Carol King, and Jerry Goffin, I have about 250,000 songs in my record, CD, and recordings collection that I like a lot.  It's tough for me to choose a Top 1000 (the bottom 500 would probably change daily per my mood, because they are all that good to my taste).  jerry Goffin and Carole King are tied for my favourite songwriting team with Motown's Mickey Stevenson and Ivy Hunter.  Don Kirschner's Dimension Records, and subsidiaries, and his later work at Colpix Records (Screen Gems Columbia Music) written by King & Goffin, Barry Mann & Cynthia Weil, and a few other teams, was some of my favourite all time songs maybe taking up a decent proportion of my top 50 out of 1000. By the way, Goffin and King's "Up On The Roof" by The Drifters, is tied for first with the other 4 in my Top 5.  And yet, I can't stand "The Porpoise Song".  I just don't like the sound of it, at all.  I have no idea what the words are.  But then, just like the artwork is 9/10 of the value to me of a comic book story, the sound of the music is 9/10 of the value of a song to me.   The Boyce & Hart songs sung by The Monkees sounded vacuous, and boring, and tedious to listen to, for me.  And yet, I probably have 35-40 1962-64 Boyce and Hart songs sung by Ronettes-style Girls Groups that I like very much.

One problem for me was that when The Monkees' TV show started and their records were first coming out, the Pop, R&B, and Soul music I liked was changing to more modern styles, almost none- of which I liked. It's the same for me in the artwork world.  I'm still back in 1964.  I haven't liked much of anything new after 1966, and almost nothing at all after 1970.  I'm like the owner of "Yesterday Ranch" in the Mickey Mouse continuity, where the owner wouldn't allow anything invented after 1899 to be brought or used on his gigantic Texas ranch.

So, new music by my favourite composers was sometimes worse to me, depending upon the arrangements, singers, and market to which it was aimed, could seem worse to me than some of the songs I hated back in my youth (just because of the different style).

Here is one of my favourite Kirschner Goffin-King productions:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb_iw7QfjvI

You probably know this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puM1k-S86nE

Here's another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atIHwVrz05Q

And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsqlBm8w_s

And another:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAIpnE72_Io

And another:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMnIW97HXvE

This original version blows away Skeeter Davis' version (although that was good, too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qAA4KCiLPE

That was the kind of music I wanted to produce in 1980.  But a lot of time had passed by and it wouldn't have sold, my partners wouldn't have let me, and I'm sure we couldn't have reproduced that type of sound with music synthesizer machines, in any case.

I know it's just a matter of personal taste, as Kingcat doesn't like Funny Animals, and I don't like Superhero stories.  IF The Monkees had sung Goffin-King songs written and recorded between 1962-64.  I just love the singer's voices, Carole's arrangements, and the music writing (e.g. pattern of notes - melody).  The words don't matter to me much, but I DO like Gerry Goffins lyrics very much.  In any case, I can't stand Mickey's, Peters, or Michael's weak voices, with little range.  Davey's is, by far, the best of the bunch.  But his voice or singing style is still way too weak for me.  I like the voices of singers who sing not from their mouth, but from their whole upper body, and put a lot of emotion into it, and have a lot of range and voice control.

That Mike Nesmith song you linked is very listenable.  I love the plunky piano, and if he is the singer, his voice is a lot fuller and better than on any of his Monkees' recordings.  And there seems to be a lot more emotion in this one than most of the crankout recordings they made for Colpix.  Not surprising that an artist would put in a lot more of himself into a project that he initiated and had artistic control.  This is much more to my liking than the futuristic highly orchestrated "symphony" style music he was working on in the 1980s?  I can't remember exactly when he was doing that.

As to "Last Train To Clarksville" and "I'm a Believer", I don't like their melodies much, so, even my favourite singers singing those songs with my favourite session players playing on it arranged by my favourite arrangers would bring those up to only "listenable" level.  I like sweet melodies more in major keys than minor keys - happy melodies (unless its Blues), with intricate strings and horns arrangements.  But, I also like simple guitar, drums and piano combos.  in any case I appreciate that the members of The Monkees were restrained by their TV show producer, and DID know about music.  But the style of the music handed them made it such that EVEN if they had voices I liked, I wouldn't have liked their recordings.
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« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2022, 02:17:54 PM »

I'm reminded of a line from the appearance of Spinal Tap on the Simpsons.
"we're still very big in Bulgaria...or Hungaria.. one of the Garias anyway....We have our own soccer team, aren't many Hungarios can say that now are there."
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« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2022, 10:42:43 PM »





I'm a great fan of Cornell Woolrich's work, and I'm certain that somewhere in CB+s collection of Police Comics there's a story (I fancy it was drawn by Vernon Henkel) that totally rips off the plot of Kiss of the Cobra, even quoting some of Woolrich's original lines. I know I made a comment to that effect when I first read it, but it'd take me hours to track down now!



K1ngcat, I do believe I found it:

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=19823

Maybe that could be one of our reading group suggestions?

Cheers

QQ


You got it, QQ, well done and thanks for having the patience! Maybe it could...!   ;)


K1ngcat, I found it pretty quickly. I just typed "Kiss of the Cobra" in the search box on the site, and it came up. It helped that you'd already said you thought it was in Police Comics. I've put it down as a suggestion for the reading group.  :D
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« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2022, 01:52:03 AM »

Wilbur #1

(1) Wilbur Makes a Date
This is a fairly standard "Teen Humour" story, introducing Wilbur as a typical American high-school teenaged youth who wants to take out the girl from his class he wants most to date, but he always seems to lack the money to do so.  In The States, at that time (and I believe still today) registered businesses (all legal businesses couldn't hire people under 18 years of age, as employees.  So, most often, teenagers only got spending money by doing chores for neighbours (boys - mowing lawns, shovelling snow off walkways and driveways, and girls - babysitting and dogwalking), or they got an "allowance" of a small amount of weekly 'pocket money" for doing their own household's chores.  Despite Wilbur having already been introduced being a regular feature in MLJ's Zip Comics, for the sake of new readers, he, and the other regular characters needed to be introduced in the first issue of his own titular series.  His parents were left out of this story, because his best friend, girlfriend, schoolteacher, and his nemesis/chief rival were used. 

Wilbur had already tried the typical American teen tact of asking his father for yet another advance of his future allowance (offscreen), and was rejected, so he starts up a dating service.  A potentially funny coincidence occurs, when Wilbur's not-so-practical-thinking best friend sends a photo of Wilbur's dead grandfather to an anonymous female customer (who happens to be his and Wilbur's schoolteacher).  Naturally, Wilbur is forced to take her on the "Blind Date", which ends up being torture for him.  And the ending of Miss Gargle giving a shocked look seeing Wilbur's face after his false beard falls, of and then Wilbur chasing his friend, Red into the sunset, waving a threatening baseball bat, is typical of slapstick comedy vignettes.  The basic plot is fairly good.

It was fairly typical of teen humour comics stories, as a whole, but was fairly fresh for that early period of that comic book genre.  The artwork was passable, but not memorable (that style is not close to my taste).  And it appears that Vigoda copied the faces of Wilbur's girlfriend, Linda, based on her head being about 1.5 times too large for her body in several poses, but not in all.  That makes the artwork seem all the more amateurish.  And his other figures were also inconsistent in their proportions.  I think the author had a good basic idea, which could have been played out even more effectively.  Personally, I'd have used the 12 pages more effectively, not using 2 whole pages in whole-page splash panels just showing extreme reactions from Miss Gargle and Wilbur, and would have involved Wilbur being totally embarrassed in front of his fellow students, by seeing Miss Gargle kissing him, and them teasing him about in next day in class, before the same last scene the book has.  But it was a decently crafted story.  I've seen many worse.

(2) Do You Know? - Entertainment Quiz/Information Page
I don't know if publishers put these in to meet an educational non-fiction requirement to qualify for the cheaper 2nd Class postage rate, or just because it's a lower cost filler because the art isn't as complicated, and a lower-cost in-house art editor could draw it, and the chief editor could get the "writing fee", which was also lower than MLJ paid to outside art studios for story art.

(3) "Wilbur The Bus Boy"
The new girl, Anita van Streeter, is walking away from the soda bar, and her legs are facing one way, and her upper body and head are facing 180 degrees away.  Maybe THAT is why the soda jerk's hat is flying up???  Probably very few young women tried that trick by the 1940s.  But, it was an oft-used cliche in films and in literature, for the woman to start up a meeting with a stranger who caught her fancy.  So, for a comic book story writer, it is a device to start up a scene with less space being used in the set-up.  This story has the same exact plot as the first.  I think that is a very bad decision.  If EVERY story will involve Wilbur desperately having to do something he wouldn't ordinarily want to do to earn money quickly to have enough to take a girl on a date, the series would get very boring, very quickly, and not survive long.  He takes a job as a busboy wearing a tuxedo, and, of course, the worst possible thing happens, she wants him to take her to the restaurant/nightclub where he works.  He takes her there.  But, as luck would have it, his boss notice he has used his work tux in a private situation.  So when the boss tells him to take it off to be used by the busboy on duty at that time, or work that current shift, he is forced to agree to work, hoping that he can fool the girl by ducking away from her several times, using excuses, to sneak in doing his work, clearing dishes and taking them into the kitchen (a very common plot in comedy films of the 1930s through 1950s), in between visits with the girl. 

Naturally, Wilbur is caught and the story ends with a panel showing him washing dishes in the restaurant's kitchen to pay for the expensive food served to Anita and him.  Unfortunately, the scenes aren't nearly as funny as they could have been.  I would have had Wilbur holding 2 large trays of dishes when caught by Anita, and dishes flying all over the room, when he trips on a chair leg when his boss yells at him and he turns around quickly towards that direction, while still walking in the other.  I would have had Anita walking out, angrily, while Wilbur looks up helplessly, with an overturned bowl of soup on his head, and silverware strewn all over him, and him looking sheepish.  THEN, I would place the author's dishwashing panel.

(4) The Ghost Smasher - Text Story
A decent mood-builder for a ghost story, but, as soon as the mood was built, instantly, the deflating proof came that he was scared because of a normal happening.  So, I'm guessing that most readers would be disappointed with this.  Some text stories are cleverly crafted, and leave the reader with something to think about.  This one was not worth the time to read it.

(5) Chimpy and The Genie
I don't like Red Holmdale's artwork very much.  In almost every Chimpy or Cubby Bear story, their body proportions and features seem different.  The basic plot of a king's daughter being kidnapped by The Giant  who lives in a castle in the clouds, and he came down a giant beanstalk is promising for a children's story. 
The Genie conjures up an ax to chop down the beanstalk after Chimpy climbs up and steals The Princess away.  It's VERY disappointing that we see absolutely nothing of Chimpy's encounter with The Giant, and how he rescued the girl.  Before any of the three come all the way down the beanstalk, The Genie makes the beanstalk disappear, but uses The Indian Rope Trick to make a stiff, straight rope for Chimpy and The Princess to grab hold.  But when The Genie remembers that that trick is impossible to do, the rope disappears, and Chimpy and The Princess fall to the ground and get bruised up.  Chimpy complains in the closing panel.  Not a well-thought out story. 

(6) A Wilbur Short
Wilbur decides to make a big batch of glue out of bits of scrap rubber.  He makes a lot of smoke from it burning, and the neighbours phone the firefighters.  They find a big wash basin full of glue stuck over Wilbur's head.  Classic silent film slapstick that doesn't translate to the static panels of a comic book.  Worse than boring, the artist made the wash basin (cauldron?) twice as deep while on top of the stove, as it is when atop Wilbur's head.

(7) A Fish Story
The conniving Wilbur "borrows" his father's car (unbeknownst to him), to earn money delivering raw fish.  Wow!  If MY son did that to me, I'd let him keep the car, have him buy me a new one (especially if it happened during the 1940s, and when its packing used no ice!).  I assume that whether or not the fish spoiled because of being at ambient temperature for a few hours spoiled, the fishmonger meant they were "spoiled" for being sold, because they fell onto the street and got dirty.  That makes all three decent-sized stories having a similar plot of Wilbur trying to make spending money from some ill-conceived scheme, which goes very wrong.  And the fourth, short story has him trying to do a good deed for his parents, and has a slapstick backfiring ending.  Not a very good way to introduce new readers to a new comic book series.  That wouldn't me expect an interesting character who will star in varied and interesting stories.

{8) Omar of Bagdad
Wow! They used the name of a real Caliph of Bagdad, Harun Al Rashid (which, in either attempted English spelling), is exactly how it would sound in Arabic.  Usually comic book stories don't use the names of real historical figures in a cartoony comedy series.  Could that Dollar sign on the money bag stand for Shekels? It certainly wouldn't stand for Dinars.  ;D  Could a fictional comedy children's story of today include a "misshapen dwarf, or the issue of slavery? This art style is cartoony, so I like it.  The artwork itself is not bad.  The characters are interesting.  It reminds me, a bit, of my 15 years in The Middle East.
The story has an interesting setup that makes me want to read the second episode.  I want to find out what happens to Omar as Grand Vizier (2nd most powerful leader) of The Caliphate of Bagdad, one of the three most powerful empires in The World during the 800s.  Omar is not the typical comedian bumbler.  So far, he has shown to be resourceful.

(9) Untitled Wilbur Music Story
This story starts out well, with Wilbur getting a crush on a great-looking new music teacher.  He takes up the violin again to please his mother and get into the school orchestra so he can be near the teacher.  Naturally, he fails to pass the trial to become one of the orchestra's violinists.  So, he becomes a helper.  As all readers would expect, he ruins a concert.  All of that is standard, so far.  But then, the story stops dead, just showing a school newspaper headline saying that The Principal (Headmaster) is campaigning to have Wilbur sent to a reform school (special schools in USA where incorrigible troublemaking students are were sent back in the 1930s to the 1960s (I'm not sure if they still exist).  First of all, this is a slapstick-style VISUAL comedy.  There wasn't even a scene of the concert being ruined.  We didn't get to see grimacing faces of the poor souls who were forced to listen.  Nor were we gifted with the laughter at seeing clever ways to try to spell the approximations of screeching sounds of tortured notes, and showing the distorted letters of those spellings, as well as distorted note symbols being tortured.  This writer and the artist, too don't seem to have much imagination or joy in creating a funny visual story!  That's a shame.

All in all this book is worth a short look, just to know what was going on in the Teen Humour genre at that time, in addition to "Archie".  But, I wouldn't spend a lot of time reading more of these.  As I remember faintly, Wilbur got somewhat more diversified storywise,  later in this series, and his character expanded a bit.  But, he was still narrower than Archie, and not worth my time.
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Re: Reading Group #282 Wilbur 1 & Andy Hardy 6
« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2022, 10:02:05 AM »

Andy Hardy 6
https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=14812
I never knew his name, but Al Hubbard is one of the few Disney artists talented enough to have a unique and instantly recognizable style. Don't know if he wrote his own scripts, but anything he drew was always readable.   
Al Hubbard
https://www.lambiek.net/artists/h/hubbard_al.htm
This must have been a nice change for him from funny animals, and I think it shows.

If I was doing a lecture on covers, this is one I would include.
Most people take little conscious notice of covers, and when the comic is on a newstand with maybe 20 or 30 titles - in those days - grabbing the buyers attention quickly is vital. So good cover artists evolved techniques that work subconsciously to do that.
The use of lines, colour and the cover space to eventually centre your attention on the iron, so you get the gag, are as good as any I've seen.
The one-pager.
Smiles were always prevalent on a Hubbard page.
First story
Some comic scripts are more like radio or TV  scripts and it takes a fairly inventive artist to make them interesting. So, pretty average story but Al does what he can to bring out the humor.
Als backgrounds are minimal but it is in what happens with the bodies in the foreground that Al excells. 
Fiesta Queen
Not much else I can say, but more of the same, but I like it.
I will get it Mom!
Great opening panel.
One thing, Al Hubbard draws teenagers who really do look like teenagers.
Cousin from Chicago
One gag but drawn out - in more than one way - to make it last longer.
Interesting that the book does right to and includes the outside back page.   
I haven't got much to say about this one but its nice to appreciate Al's work.
It's clear to me that Al Hubbard was very much a creative thinker. I have enjoyed playing closer attention to his work.   
Looking at the character Cynthia triggered a memory. Didn't Al draw Alice in Wonderland for Disney? I was reminded, I think, of his Queen of Hearts. Also Madame Mim from another Disney adaption.     

This is issue #6 and we only have two. It would be nice to have a full collection.
Cheers! 
     
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