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« Reply #1075 on: March 13, 2012, 03:58:58 AM »

FLASH GORDON: THE GREATEST ADVENTURE OF ALL  (1979)
FLASH GORDON  (1980)
BARBARELLA  (1968)
CLASH OF THE BIONOIDS

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« Reply #1076 on: March 13, 2012, 10:49:41 AM »

Never heard of Clash of the Bionoids.
Barbarella is another one that is rather tame by today's standards but was pretty wild for its time. They made a sequel to Flesh Gordan which was absolutely horrible. It lacked anything that made the first one entertaining.
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« Reply #1077 on: March 13, 2012, 09:18:11 PM »

About 25 years back, someone gave me a bootleg copy of CLASH OF THE BIONOIDS, which, I understand, is a HEAVILY-butchered (to the point of near-incoherent) edited version of MACROSS: DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE?  Many years later, I bought a copy of the latter.  I've got both out and intend to watch them back-to-back, to really see and compare the difference.

They have a long tradition in Japan of redoing movies as TV shows and vice-versa, often with wildly drastic changes in the character designs, art styles, and stories. I believe in this case, MACROSS: DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE? came first, followed by a 26-episode MACROSS tv series. A major change was, in the feature, Earth was apparently wiped out in the opening scenes (or before them), while in the tv series, about 95% of Earth is wiped out, abut 20 episodes into the show.  The scenes in episode 52 of STAR BLAZERS where Prince Zorda goes completely stark raving mad, and in retaliation for the Earth DARING to stand up to him, decides to destroy everything, was nothing compared to this.  Zorda took out a few cities, but the attack in the MACROSS series actually destroyed most of the Earth's cities in a single episode.  It was monstrous.

A VERY peculiar thing happened when MACROSS came to America... it was combined, after-the-fact, with 2 completely-unrelated other series, structured to make it look like one big, long epic saga, with 20-year-gaps between the 3 sections.  And they renamed it ROBOTECH, to tie it in with a previously-existing-but-unrelated toy line.  I don't think it really worked.  Especially when they took the major concept of MACROSS-- "protoculture" (the extremely "alien" concept-- to the aliens-- of men and women living together and "co-operating"-- and turned it into some kind of "technology" thing. It just didn't make sense, it was never properly explained, and when I found out the original meaning of the word, before it was bastardized for the US market, it just made me shake my head in dismay.

What was infuriating to me was, the Philly station running the show, about halfway thru, decided to run 2 episodes a day. One in the morning, one in the afternoon.  And you had to watch BOTH to follow the story. I swear, these TV programmers must all be drug addicts, the kind of decisions they make.  Before I found out what had happened, I'd wound up recording EVERY-OTHER episode in the 2nd half of the run.  (GRRRRRRRRR) So my collection, or half of it anyway, makes no damn sense at all to watch.

On top of that, I never did tape the 1st episode... though, about 15 years after I was taping the series, I ran across it on cable, by accident, before I knew it was coming on.  So I was finally able to see it, but still don't have it on tape.  I do have the comic-book based on that episode, though, and read it at least a year before the show ever turned up on American TV.  (Go figure.)


MACROSS seems to be a TV series that was immensely popular when it first ran in Japan, but one which they've never quite managed to do a proper sequel to.  SOUTHERN CROSS, which became the 2nd part of the "ROBOTECH" series in the US, was described to me as a "BAD sequel". ROBOTECH 2 got about 5 episodes into production before the studio doing it went bankrupt. MACROSS II-- completely unrelated to ROBOTECH 2-- also only lasted a handful of episodes.

Eternity Comics, for quite along while, was "adapting" the un-filmed ROBOTECH 2 as comic-books.  it started out nice... but then, they got bogged down by countless specials, one-shots, mini-series spin-offs, etc.  All of which diluted and distracted from the main story... which may account for why they NEVER FINISHED the story.  If all that talent had focused on knocking out episodes of the main story, maybe the damned thing could have been finished by now.

By the way... most strange may be the ROBOTECH comic published briefly by DC, based on the toy line put out some time before MACROSS was ever bastardized and turned into "ROBOTECH" for the U.S. market.  (This stuff gets so confusing, my friend Kevin, who's really into it, is the only one I know who can keep it all straight.)
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« Reply #1078 on: March 13, 2012, 09:24:05 PM »


Barbarella is another one that is rather tame by today's standards but was pretty wild for its time. They made a sequel to Flesh Gordan which was absolutely horrible. It lacked anything that made the first one entertaining.


Thanks for reminding me, before this week is out I gotta watch FLESH GORDON again.

For some years, I tended to view the 1980 FLASH GORDON as virtually Dino's "BARBARELLA 2".  Similar subject matter and style, though, unlike "WHAT'S NEW PUSSYCAT 2" (alias, CASINO ROYALE), the 2nd attempt worked MUCH better than the 1st!  

Note, each is "of its time", at least, as far as writing style and music goes.  How many films did Terry Southern do screenplays for in the late 60's?  THE MAGIC CHRISTIAN, CANDY, BARBARELLA... all 3 of these involve characters who just seem to float from one random episode to another, with no drive or momentum to the overall movie.  Very "late 60's", a time when the "rule book" of movie storytelling seemed to get tossed out the window.  

BARBARELLA has a combination of "lounge" and "psychedelic pop", while FLASH GORDON has an "opera-rock" and "orchestral" score.
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« Reply #1079 on: March 15, 2012, 10:52:56 AM »



I also got CAPTAIN AMERICA (1943) on videotape by mail-order. Fabulous action, and the most intensely nasty S.O.B. Lionel Atwill ever played in his career.  Ity really captures the fight scenes Jack Kirby put on paper-- if NOTHING else. And there's a reason for that. It's not that they got it so wrong... it's that the entire thing was planned & written as a MR. SCARLET serial, but at the last minute, they changed their minds and made it something else.  Martin Goodman, apparently, was not thrilled... (heh)


The same sort of thing happened with Republic a few years earlier.  They were so sure that they would be getting the rights to do a Superman serial in 1940 that they paraded it in the trades and wrote a script for it.  Then Paramount and the Fleischer Bros. got the screen rights to do Superman as a series of animated cartoons and Republic was left with a Superman script and no rights to the Man of Steel.  Since there was no sense in letting such things go to waste they retooled the script a bit and came up with The Mysterious Dr. Satan where the character of The Copperhead filled the role originally intended to played by Superman.
Republic then did acquire the rights to one of Superman's biggest comic book rivals, Captain Marvel and turned out a humdinger of a chapter-play featuring the Big Red Cheese.

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« Reply #1080 on: March 15, 2012, 11:09:51 AM »

Yes, Captain Marvel is a belter.  I know I've mentioned this before but I always thought that Copperhead was a Batman replacement, if only because of the name, Wayne, and the lack of superpowers, but then again, what do I know?
We watched Alcatraz and although it was a bit formulaic, we enjoyed it enough to keep up.  Sam Neill was really good in it.
Last night's Castle was the one with the "superhero" vigilante and there was a copy of Avengers #1 on show plus scenes in a comic shop.
There is a topic on comics on t.v. on:-
http://www.comicsuk.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3756
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« Reply #1081 on: March 15, 2012, 04:37:08 PM »

Just recently finished watching the short-lived 2009-2010 (13 epsiode) series Crusoe (based on Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe.  It was quite fun with Crusoe here being depicted as a sort of island bound MacGyver with him and Friday battling natives, pirates, etc... between flashbacks as to his home life before being shipwrecked and cutaways as to how his family is fairing without him.
One of the best things about it is Sam Neill in a very slimy duplicitous villain role.  They must have known that they were going to be cancelled as they wrap up a number of plot-lines in the last two episodes sending old Sam off to a rather nasty fate.
The series also had the coolest tree-house since Disney's Swiss Family Robinson (1960).

Been a fan of Neill's work ever since catching him in Reilly, Ace of Spies back in the early 1980s.  Watching him in Alcatraz is one of the best things about that series.

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« Reply #1082 on: March 15, 2012, 05:38:41 PM »

You've got me there.  I don't know anything about Crusoe. There has been an upsurge in British t.v. of more historical dramas with new versions of Dickens books (because of the anniversary); Treasure Island; Bronte and a revival of Upstairs Downstairs, among others.
Have I mentioned Foyle's War? If not, you should keep a look out for it.  Michael Kitchen stars as Foyle and it's set during W.W.2 in a British coastal town.  He's the local police superintendent and there are some compelling, sad, well written stories and some disturbing murders plus a look at the devious machinations of the powers that be in wartime.
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« Reply #1083 on: March 16, 2012, 02:00:11 AM »

Hi, Paw. I've watched "Foyle's War" quite regularly. It's been shown on at least three, possibly more, seasons of "Mystery". Quite a good blending of both the war and mystery genres. Haven't seen "Alcatraz" yet, but hope to soon. I'm also a fan of Neill and totally agree with Joe about his work in "Reilly, Ace of Spies". Taped most of the episodes long ago, and still enjoy watch them. Also saw something last year about a new series in the works showing Inspector Morse as a young man. I think it was just a trailer and I haven't heard or seen anything since. Anyone know anything about this one? Also, has anyone seen "John Carter" yet? Cheers, Bowers
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« Reply #1084 on: March 16, 2012, 04:04:13 AM »

Today:

THE AVENGERS:  "Traitor In Zebra"  

This has several actors who later appeared in DOCTOR WHO--
Noel Coleman -- "General Smythe" in "THE WAR GAMES"
Richard Leech -- "Gatherer Hade" in "THE SUN MAKERS"
William Gaunt -- "Orcini" in "REVELATION OF THE DALEKS"
Honor Blackman -- "Professor Lasky" in "TERROR OF THE VERVOIDS"

Leech plays a real murderous bastard in this one.  It's also got Katy Wild, who played the mute girl in "THE EVIL OF FRANKENSTEIN".


THE AVENGERS: "A Surfeit of H20"

This has Geoffrey Palmer, who much later starred in "AS TIME GOES BY".


FLESH GORDON  (1974)

This has some cool stop-motion animatin by Jim Danforth, and a cameo by John Hoyt, who was in the STAR TREK pilot, "The Cage" (he played the Doctor).
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« Reply #1085 on: March 16, 2012, 12:27:11 PM »

All youse guys talk about Flesh Gordon has me jonesing for a rewatch.  I've only seen it once way back in the 70s at the old Sombrero Playhouse.  I do remember it being pretty fun.  Never saw the sequel.

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« Reply #1086 on: March 16, 2012, 10:23:22 PM »

FLESH GORDON is really fun, if you don't mind "soft porn", which is what it is.

But it's done with such love and affection for the original source material they're spoofing.  The guy who played the "Zarkoff" character actually SOUNDS just like Frank Shannon from the Universal serials.  Parts of it seem to follow the serials more than the later Dino DeLaurentis film. Come to think of it, there are little tips-of-the-hat in there to all 3 Universal serials.  The beginning, the part where they land and are immediatley accosted by the baddie's soldiers, the hero tossed into the arena shortly after, a trap door the hero falls down (this was moved to much later in the story). Then, they seem to have combined Aura (Ming's daughter who has the HOTS for Flash) with Azura ("Queen of Magic") from TRIP TO MARS.  She gets hot and heavy with the hero in a manner very similar to the 1980 film (which suggests Dino was loking at this as much as any other version for inspiration). Finally, the climax involving a massive explosion on the towers of the baddie's fortress is straight out of ...CONQUERS THE UNIVERSE.

On the other hand, there's these 3 "rapist" robots that have to be seen to be believed-- they're possibly the single FUNNIEST visual in the entire film, and I'd swear at least one of them came from some other low-budget serial way back when. (Another one of them, I swear, looks just like "Mr. Peanut", the trademark of Planters.)

The spaceship flying scenes look right out of LOST IN SPACE-- and I mean that as a huge compliment.  They look so "REAL"!

But a big surprise is the stop-motion animation of Jim Danforth, who I believe had already done Hammer's WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH.  At one point, there's what appears to be a tribute to THE 7TH VOYAGE OF SINBAD, and at another, KING KONG!
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« Reply #1087 on: March 17, 2012, 12:55:47 AM »

The production value of Flesh was rather high for a soft core. I saw the movie at a theater about 17 blocks from downtown Manhattan. I remember because I walked it. I was a 17 year old GI stationed on Statan Island going downtown on the weekends. Later it came to a downtown theater with the girl who played Dale actually there.
BTW the movie Candy was mentioned. I remember it only because it was the first R rated movie I ever saw. I remember my dad took me to see Planet of the Apes right before I went in the Army and the song Billy Don't be a Hero just came out. I was hoping it was not a sign  :o
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« Reply #1088 on: March 19, 2012, 03:00:36 AM »

Tonight:

VOLTUS V

Somehow, I taped this off cable in the 80's, and never watched it until now. Not really a movie, more a compilation of the first 4 episodes of a Japanese cartoon show.

What really surprised me, was, ever since the early-80s, I had the SHOGUN WARRIORS toy that was based on this show-- and never made the connection. It was "Combatra"-- 5 separate vehicles which combined to form a giant robot. In the case of the toy, about 18" tall!!!

While some Japanese cartoons are for all ages (STAR BLAZERS, MACROSS, ULYSSES 31), VOLTUS V, despite its violence, strikes me as an 80's reincarnation of GIGANTOR.  That is, no emotional depth, just action, action, action.  So, I'd say it was a kids' show.  The kind that would NEVER have been seen in America for the whole of the 1970's.
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« Reply #1089 on: March 23, 2012, 02:45:33 AM »

Last night, at ONE in the morning, I put on HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER.  I watched about 75% before I went to sleep.


Tonight, I watched the last part. What a GREAT film. So spooky... and funny... and subtle.


At the IMDB, there must be 20 different threads all discussing the true identity of "The Stanger". How stupid are people to go to a message board, and all start NEW threads instead of responding to existing ones??


Similarly, there's at least 6 threads ALL discussing whether "The Stranger" RAPED 2 women in the film, or not, and if Eastwood is saying that women WANT to be raped.  I mean really.


Meanwhile... damnedest thing last night. I've found a lot of connections reading the IMDB, checking out what different actors appeared in. But last night, just about 1:30 AM, while watching the film, I was looking at this one actress' face, and it suddenly hit me, WHERE I'd seen her before.


Now keep in mind, I've seen this film AT LEAST a dozen times by now.  But the other film I'd seen her in, I've seen AT LEAST 20 TIMES-- and never, ever made a connection.


The character of "Sarah" (wife of the hotel owner) is played by Verna Bloom, who got 2ND BILLING in the film, right after Eastwood. I always wondered why.  She was one of the only 2 people in the town who turned out to be decent-- when the Marshall was killed, she tried to stop it. Later, she's the one who says to The Stranger, "I've heard that the dead can't rest in an unmarked grave. Do you believe that?"


The only other film I've ever seen her in was ANIMAL HOUSE.  She was "Mrs. Wormer"-- the Dean's wife!!


I NEVER NOTICED before!!!


What's funny is, her husband was played by John Vernon, who was in both DIRTY HARRY and THE OUTLAW JOSIE WALES.
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« Reply #1090 on: March 25, 2012, 03:13:44 AM »

This is the best movie that I have seen in years. My wife loved it also. Take the whole family it is absolutely fantastic.
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« Reply #1091 on: March 25, 2012, 09:54:49 AM »

I was hoping to see John Carter this weekend but some family activities are keeping me too busy to get away.

Maybe next weekend.

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« Reply #1092 on: March 26, 2012, 01:24:11 AM »

I think word of mouth may make the movie a success despite poor marketing and critics. I WANT A SEQUEL
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« Reply #1093 on: March 26, 2012, 08:40:19 PM »

I've heard some mixed comments about JOHN CARTER, but most seem to have enjoyed it. So many of my top favorites over the years have been among the most-hated films (judging from reviewers), I've found it's best to make up my own mind!    ;D

That said...The movie poster for this thing is AWFUL. It's static, it's vague, it's BORING AS HELL. And what "pea-brained, vaccuum-skulled, sieve-headed idiot" (to quote Arnold Drake) decided for what STUPID reason to name the movie "JOHN CARTER" (maybe some people will think it's a sequel to "GET CARTER"?).

It should be JOHN CARTER OF MARS!!! And it should say "From the creator of TARZAN"!!!

I found no less than 5 FRANK FRAZETTA paintings connected with John Carter Of Mars, and in my view, at least 4 of them would have made FABULOUS movie posters. Plus, there's one by Boris Vellejo that's not bad either.

WHAT IS THE MATTER with these marketing people??????
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« Reply #1094 on: March 26, 2012, 08:42:08 PM »

The last 2 days...

THE THREE DOCTORS
CARNIVAL OF MONSTERS


Tonight...

THE TIME WARRIOR
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« Reply #1095 on: March 27, 2012, 04:11:41 AM »

I think that Disney did not want to pay the ERB estate anything so the went with PD as possible. Why the completely horrible poster after investing 200 Million is beyond me. But I did love the movie. I am completely engrossed in Hunger Games and hope to finish it tomorrow so I can take wifey to see the movie. I can not bring myself to read a book after the movie so I am reading the book now and LOVING IT. I think that those who like the Hunger Games should give John Christopher's Tripods trilogy plus prequel a try.
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« Reply #1096 on: March 27, 2012, 01:37:51 PM »


The last 2 days...

THE THREE DOCTORS
CARNIVAL OF MONSTERS


Tonight...

THE TIME WARRIOR


Would I be correct in my guess that these are all Dr. Who stories?

Curious

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« Reply #1097 on: March 27, 2012, 04:43:21 PM »

Would I be correct in my guess that these are all Dr. Who stories?

Yep.

The last time I dug out my WHO tapes, I watched all of them in sequence (even the ones I really dont like!).  This time, I'm just watching certain ones I really like, as I'm just in the mood.  Last month I watched most of the ones with "The Master" (Roger Delgado) except for FRONTIER IN SPACE, which I've never cared for (and which leads directly into a story I like even less).  This time I'm picking up with the later Pertwees and will probably keep going straight into the Bakers (skipping any I don't care much for).

This is sort of the reverse of the old days when if you just happen to tune on some show you used to watch, at random, it always seemed to be one you REALLY DON'T like and have seen too many times.  (All these years, and I still appreciate having a VCR.)
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« Reply #1098 on: March 27, 2012, 08:34:02 PM »

Just received in the post, The Avengers series 2 box set which includes the existing 2 and a 1/2 Ian Hendry stories from series one, all nicely re-mastered and I got it half price. Tried a couple of stories at random to have a nostalgic wallow.  A few night ago we watched The Quatermass Experiment (the film version with Brian Donlevy, not the original t.v. serial of which only a couple of episodes still exist).  Well made and atmospheric with Jack Warner as the police inspector, doing his usual down to earth, simple bible man stuff.
I'm not that keen on Frontier in Space either. Trying to figure out what follows it without looking it up. Struggling to remember 'cos I'm knackered.
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« Reply #1099 on: March 28, 2012, 04:06:58 AM »

"I'm not that keen on Frontier in Space either. Trying to figure out what follows it without looking it up. Struggling to remember 'cos I'm knackered."

There are quite a few over-long WHO stories that can be described as "runarounds", as the plot goes in circles as a way to pad it out (quite like FLASH GORDON'S TRIPS TO MARS). I remember the 1st time I saw it, thinking "FRONTIER IN SPACE" was perhaps the only WHO "runaround" where I didn't mind so much. Even so, had it been 4 or 5 episodes instead of 6, I bet I'd have liked it a lot more.

PLANET OF THE DALEKS followed on, and was another 6 parts. In effect, since the 2 stories are connected, it seems an attempt to recreate THE DALEK MASTER PLAN, which was 12 parts plus a separate prologue (13 in all).  I think part 3 of PLANET... was only available as a B&W copy in the 80's, so my PBS station ran it as a movie with the B&W part MISSING!!! (So it's one of 2 Pertwee episodes I've still never seen.)

The last 2 days:
THE TIME WARRIOR
INVASION OF THE DINOSAURS
 (pts. 2-6)
DEATH TO THE DALEKS  (only a 4-parter, but still cold have been better at 3)

After falling completely in love with Jo all over again (that's 2 runs in a row she had that effect on me), Sarah's kinda funny. She was my absolute FAVORITE female character on TV for the whole of the 80's, and yet, the last time I watched my collection, she was one of the only girls on the show who didn't affect me at all. (It's as if I somehow "got over her"...)

She starts with such a fire in her and a real chip on her shoulder, all bull-headed and getting herself into so much trouble (starting with suspecting The Doctor to be the baddie in her debut story), before drastically lightening up by her 3rd story, and becoming so much nicer, more likable, and almost frantic at times. Lis Sladen may be an Aquarius, but Sarah feels more like a Gemini (borderline-schizo). There's moments in her first 2 stories where she makes Jo seem much smarter than she is, but beginning with her 3rd, there's moment where she begins to seem smarter than THE DOCTOR. I think that, coupled with her firery temper, is what made her and The Doctor such a great team (much like The Doctor and Romana II).
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